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Shinops · 07-12-2003, 01:05 PM

My vote is for the Patriots, they have 3 pro bowlers in Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy and Rodney Harrison. They also have 2 proven veterans in Otis Smith and Tyrone Poole and 2 new cornerbacks in the draft.

Spartak · 07-12-2003, 03:48 PM

Bucs, easily.

Just watch Superbowl XXXVII again

BigGov · 07-12-2003, 07:16 PM

Eagles. Vincent and Taylor are shut down corners. Dawkins puts legitimate fear into people that come across the middle. Their younger players are coming along nicely too.

The_Dude · 07-12-2003, 07:41 PM

i like dallas, or what they're gonna be next year.

they got roy williams and terrance newman.

i think they're gonna make a lot of kewl plays next yr

spectre · 07-12-2003, 08:59 PM

Eagles, Bucs, and Patriots all have great secondaries. All three have a lot of support from their D-line putting enough pressure on the QB though. I think the Eagles may see a slight slip even in secondary with the loss of Hugh Douglass and the Pats will see a major increase in secondary production with the addition of Rosie Colvin. Remember, D-backs can only do so much if the line doesn't get any pressure on the quarterback and the D-line can only do so much if the secondary doesn't keep the receivers covered.

clockworkgreen · 07-12-2003, 10:25 PM

Iggles. Dawk is the man.

crow_daw · 07-13-2003, 12:37 AM

NOT my Titans, thats for damn sure. But they'll still be the bomb.

As much as I hate them, the Eagles probably get this one.

Soggybagel · 07-13-2003, 10:24 AM

Gotta say the Bucs.

clockworkgreen · 07-13-2003, 12:35 PM

Thing is, it's good to have a good secondary again in Philly. Like back in the day with Eric Allen, Andre "Dirty" Watters, Wes Hopkins...

Note: Not Izel Jenkins. Holy Lord. He was nicknamed Toast, and for good reason.

Mondak · 07-14-2003, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Dude
i like dallas, or what they're gonna be next year.

they got roy williams and terrance newman.

i think they're gonna make a lot of kewl plays next yr

Ok really now. No one asked who your favorite team was. They asked who was the best secondary. There is no way that even the players on Dallas would say they are the best secondary.

So really - do you think they are the best secondary going now? I would say that they may not even be in the top ten in the NFL.

sportsrule101 · 07-15-2003, 12:52 PM

both the bucs, and eagles have great lines to help the secondary look good. watch out for the bills secondary, they had a major improvement in the d-line, and have up and coming stars in the cornor positions

BigGov · 07-15-2003, 09:41 PM

The Eagles had massive injuries though with Hollis Thomas (breaking his foot on the damn turf, "nooo, we're too good for astroturf, lets switch to nexturf") and Corey Simon and such. Not to mention the Linebacker problems. So in order to counteract that, the Eagles have to leave the corners alone and blitz their safety's like crazy, where Dawkins more often than not comes up with a play.

That defines the best secondary.

The Bucs have an all-star linemen and linebackers. Sub in average corners and safeties and the Bucs still do fine.

bigoldalphamale · 07-16-2003, 04:51 AM

as much as i hate to admit it. the skins have a pretty bomb secondary. champ and smoot on the corners are tough and with arrington allowed to float around the middle of the field and act like a safety...there arent going to be many teams passing on the skins this year.

Blu2e354 · 07-16-2003, 05:02 PM

best secondary belongs to the dolphins

It's stewart time

Blu2e354 · 07-16-2003, 05:03 PM

best secondary belongs to the dolphins

It's stewart time[B]

The_Dude · 07-17-2003, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mondak
Ok really now. No one asked who your favorite team was. They asked who was the best secondary. There is no way that even the players on Dallas would say they are the best secondary.

So really - do you think they are the best secondary going now? I would say that they may not even be in the top ten in the NFL.

hell no, hell no.

no way in hell that dallas is my favorite team.

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Mondak · 07-17-2003, 08:43 PM

So that must mean you really think they have a good secondary then?

Weird. Like I said - I think there are at least ten above it - maybe more.

Lestat · 07-18-2003, 11:57 PM

Raiders - Woodson and Buchanon. You'll see....

Jadey · 07-19-2003, 07:22 AM

What about the Dolphins? Especially after singing Sammy Knight. They're even better now. They've got their share of Pro Bowlers also. Patrick Surtain, Sammy Knight, Sam Madison, Terrel Buckley is back, Brock Marion, Arturo Freeman, Shawn Wooden.

They've got speed, size, and depth.

The_Dude · 07-19-2003, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mondak
So that must mean you really think they have a good secondary then?

Weird. Like I said - I think there are at least ten above it - maybe more.

well, i like those 2 guys.

roy williams and terrance newman. i seen what they can do in college and they should be able to transfer it to the nfl.

Mondak · 07-19-2003, 10:51 AM

Corners usually get burnt for at least a year when they get to the NFL if not more. Reason? The WRs are so much faster in the NFL and the routers are more complex. Before they could close any gap with just speed. Now they have to excersise that other muscle they have: the brain. That is right. The reaon that Darrell Green was one of the greatest CBs of all time is not only that he was insanly fast - it was that he was SMART.

The_Dude · 07-19-2003, 10:53 AM

well, roy williams did make an impact in his first season. maybe that's cuz he was with such a sorry team, but he stood out.

Mondak · 07-19-2003, 07:51 PM

I guess your newspapers don't have that much to talk about so they just make stuff up. Now I understand.

reconmike · 07-21-2003, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mondak
So that must mean you really think they have a good secondary then?

Weird. Like I said - I think there are at least ten above it - maybe more.

You are kidding right?

Williams, newman, woodson, search williams on tackles see which saftey comes close. He was 17th in the NFL in tackles, from a FS spot no less.

Mondak · 07-21-2003, 02:28 PM

I got a few off the top of my head that are better without me thinking too hard about it.

Redskins

Pats

Eagles

Dolphins

Bucs

Then I would start to think about some others if I had to.

Green Bay and Carolina actually come to mind and I'll even throw in St Louis while I am at it. That is before I even get deep at all.

Brian Fellows · 07-22-2003, 11:55 PM

It isn't the Chiefs their whole defense sucks, its how the best offensive team in the league last year finished at 8-8.

geodaro · 07-23-2003, 09:11 AM

Obviously the BUCS have the best secondary in the league! Anybody who thinks otherwise can kiss their collective Super Bowl rings! (of course I am from central Florida and have watched the BUCS love season after season for over 26 years). REDEMPTION!

geodaro · 07-23-2003, 09:13 AM

Sorry, I meant "LOSE" season after season....not "LOVE". I'm having speling problms todey!

scypher · 07-23-2003, 10:20 AM

Many of you are forgetting about Miami. Being a Jets fan, I'm scared this season. They have Marion, Freeman, Knight, and many more I can't remember... They are going to be a raucus defense this year...

Buk · 07-23-2003, 11:31 AM

Some great teams have been mentioned, one team that is missing though is the Washington Redskins, with Champ Bailey manning the island you can't do much wrong.

salsa2 · 07-23-2003, 02:00 PM

dont underestimate the dallas secondary. In addition to Williams and Newman (and Woodson) they also have Pete Hunter and Derek Ross. Two young guys with huge upsides. This will be at top 5 defense next year

SAM821 · 07-23-2003, 05:47 PM

Miami has the best secondary this year, along with the depth, and most like the best defense

SysteMatiC · 07-24-2003, 02:55 PM

I would have to say either the eagles or pats.

FunHater · 07-27-2003, 01:02 AM

/begin sarcasm

THE VIKES!

/end sarcasm

Really though, it is tough for me to say who the best is, there are a number of teams with a very good secondary.

Jesus Malverde · 07-27-2003, 10:36 PM

Dallas does have a very good secondary. They will have to prove themselves, AGAIN, this year. It's going to be very hard to pass on them, Woodson and Williams are very smart and very good tacklers, and Terence Newman is very good, I compare him to Champ Bailey. Miami has the best cornerback in Sam Madison, but not the best overall secondary.

Caser · 07-28-2003, 08:47 AM

i had to work during the superbowl....that had to hurt more then a .22 slug to the chest

ndulacd · 07-28-2003, 04:19 PM

Its hard to say for sure since we only have last year to go on. Also, some teams secondary's look better than they are simply b/c the rest of the defense makes them look better. Others look worse than they are b/c they are trying to compensate for the rest of the defense. I agree that Dallas has an interesting secondary and could be one of the best. I also agree with the Bucs and Patriots. The Redskins, Eagles and Dolphins will have very good ones as well, but I think part of that is due to the rest of the defense helping them out. But that is what makes defenses great. Its the entire unit working together and helping each other out.

Don't over look the Ravens' secondary this year. They've still got Chris McAlister and Ed Reed back there. With an improved line and the always dangerious Ray Lewis, they could be one of the top defenses in the NFL again. They have some young guys in the secondary that may really surprise people this year. They may not be the best yet, but keep an eye on them.

dy156 · 07-29-2003, 12:34 PM

Don't mean to beat this Dallas thing to death, but they have potential to be great, and they're going to have to shine this year, because the D line is not so great, and the linebackers, while likeable guys and fan favorites, are not probowl caliber. I think Woodson's leadership and undeniable toughness will help the young unproven potential stars immensely.
All that having been said, best would probably be Tampa Bay -interceptions, tackles, coverage- they can all do it all, and are one of the often overlooked reasons TB won it all.

iceman2032 · 07-29-2003, 01:07 PM

Best Secondary of all time: 94 49ers

Explosive · 07-29-2003, 05:46 PM

'Phins have the deepest secondary, and the best. Though the Eagles and Raiders are up there.

07-12-2003, 01:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
Shinops Upright	Best secondary in the NFL My vote is for the Patriots, they have 3 pro bowlers in Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy and Rodney Harrison. They also have 2 proven veterans in Otis Smith and Tyrone Poole and 2 new cornerbacks in the draft.

07-12-2003, 03:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
Spartak Bang bang Location: New Zealand	Bucs, easily. Just watch Superbowl XXXVII again __________________ I can read your mind... looking at you... I can read your mind...

07-12-2003, 07:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
BigGov WoW or Class... Location: UWW	Eagles. Vincent and Taylor are shut down corners. Dawkins puts legitimate fear into people that come across the middle. Their younger players are coming along nicely too. __________________ One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink but then held it out over the beer and yelled "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT, YOU BASTARD!"

07-12-2003, 07:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	i like dallas, or what they're gonna be next year. they got roy williams and terrance newman. i think they're gonna make a lot of kewl plays next yr __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-12-2003, 08:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
spectre Junkie	Eagles, Bucs, and Patriots all have great secondaries. All three have a lot of support from their D-line putting enough pressure on the QB though. I think the Eagles may see a slight slip even in secondary with the loss of Hugh Douglass and the Pats will see a major increase in secondary production with the addition of Rosie Colvin. Remember, D-backs can only do so much if the line doesn't get any pressure on the quarterback and the D-line can only do so much if the secondary doesn't keep the receivers covered. __________________ "Fuck these chains No goddamn slave I will be different" ~ Machine Head

07-12-2003, 10:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
clockworkgreen Psycho Location: DC	Iggles. Dawk is the man.

07-13-2003, 12:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
crow_daw Idolator Location: Vol Country	NOT my Titans, thats for damn sure. But they'll still be the bomb. As much as I hate them, the Eagles probably get this one. __________________ "We each have a star, all we have to do is find it. Once you do, everyone who sees it will be blinded." - Earl Simmons

07-13-2003, 10:24 AM	#8 (permalink)
Soggybagel Psycho Location: Lovely City #1	Gotta say the Bucs.

07-13-2003, 12:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
clockworkgreen Psycho Location: DC	Thing is, it's good to have a good secondary again in Philly. Like back in the day with Eric Allen, Andre "Dirty" Watters, Wes Hopkins... Note: Not Izel Jenkins. Holy Lord. He was nicknamed Toast, and for good reason.

07-15-2003, 12:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
sportsrule101 Insane	both the bucs, and eagles have great lines to help the secondary look good. watch out for the bills secondary, they had a major improvement in the d-line, and have up and coming stars in the cornor positions __________________ winning isn't everything but losing isn't anything

07-15-2003, 09:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
BigGov WoW or Class... Location: UWW	The Eagles had massive injuries though with Hollis Thomas (breaking his foot on the damn turf, "nooo, we're too good for astroturf, lets switch to nexturf") and Corey Simon and such. Not to mention the Linebacker problems. So in order to counteract that, the Eagles have to leave the corners alone and blitz their safety's like crazy, where Dawkins more often than not comes up with a play. That defines the best secondary. The Bucs have an all-star linemen and linebackers. Sub in average corners and safeties and the Bucs still do fine. __________________ One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink but then held it out over the beer and yelled "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT, YOU BASTARD!"

07-16-2003, 04:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
bigoldalphamale Loser	as much as i hate to admit it. the skins have a pretty bomb secondary. champ and smoot on the corners are tough and with arrington allowed to float around the middle of the field and act like a safety...there arent going to be many teams passing on the skins this year.

07-16-2003, 05:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
Blu2e354 Crazy Location: Illinois	best secondary belongs to the dolphins It's stewart time

07-16-2003, 05:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
Blu2e354 Crazy Location: Illinois	best secondary belongs to the dolphins It's stewart time[B]

07-17-2003, 08:43 PM	#17 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	So that must mean you really think they have a good secondary then? Weird. Like I said - I think there are at least ten above it - maybe more. __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

07-18-2003, 11:57 PM	#18 (permalink)
Lestat Psycho Location: Riverside, CA	Raiders - Woodson and Buchanon. You'll see.... __________________ I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it. - Jack Handy

07-19-2003, 07:22 AM	#19 (permalink)
Jadey This Space For Rent Location: Davenport, Iowa	What about the Dolphins? Especially after singing Sammy Knight. They're even better now. They've got their share of Pro Bowlers also. Patrick Surtain, Sammy Knight, Sam Madison, Terrel Buckley is back, Brock Marion, Arturo Freeman, Shawn Wooden. They've got speed, size, and depth.

07-19-2003, 10:51 AM	#21 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	Corners usually get burnt for at least a year when they get to the NFL if not more. Reason? The WRs are so much faster in the NFL and the routers are more complex. Before they could close any gap with just speed. Now they have to excersise that other muscle they have: the brain. That is right. The reaon that Darrell Green was one of the greatest CBs of all time is not only that he was insanly fast - it was that he was SMART. __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

07-19-2003, 10:53 AM	#22 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	well, roy williams did make an impact in his first season. maybe that's cuz he was with such a sorry team, but he stood out. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-19-2003, 07:51 PM	#23 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	I guess your newspapers don't have that much to talk about so they just make stuff up. Now I understand. __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

07-21-2003, 02:28 PM	#25 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	I got a few off the top of my head that are better without me thinking too hard about it. Redskins Pats Eagles Dolphins Bucs Then I would start to think about some others if I had to. Green Bay and Carolina actually come to mind and I'll even throw in St Louis while I am at it. That is before I even get deep at all. __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

07-22-2003, 11:55 PM	#26 (permalink)
Brian Fellows Tilted Location: Omaha, Ne	It isn't the Chiefs their whole defense sucks, its how the best offensive team in the league last year finished at 8-8. __________________ Go Huskers!! Go BEEF!!!!

07-23-2003, 09:11 AM	#27 (permalink)
geodaro Psycho	Obviously the BUCS have the best secondary in the league! Anybody who thinks otherwise can kiss their collective Super Bowl rings! (of course I am from central Florida and have watched the BUCS love season after season for over 26 years). REDEMPTION!

07-23-2003, 09:13 AM	#28 (permalink)
geodaro Psycho	Sorry, I meant "LOSE" season after season....not "LOVE". I'm having speling problms todey!

07-23-2003, 10:20 AM	#29 (permalink)
scypher Upright	Many of you are forgetting about Miami. Being a Jets fan, I'm scared this season. They have Marion, Freeman, Knight, and many more I can't remember... They are going to be a raucus defense this year...

07-23-2003, 11:31 AM	#30 (permalink)
Buk Addict Location: Seattle, WA	Some great teams have been mentioned, one team that is missing though is the Washington Redskins, with Champ Bailey manning the island you can't do much wrong.

07-23-2003, 02:00 PM	#31 (permalink)
salsa2 Tilted Location: New Jersey	dont underestimate the dallas secondary. In addition to Williams and Newman (and Woodson) they also have Pete Hunter and Derek Ross. Two young guys with huge upsides. This will be at top 5 defense next year

07-23-2003, 05:47 PM	#32 (permalink)
SAM821 Surviving Hurricanes Location: Miami, Florida	Miami has the best secondary this year, along with the depth, and most like the best defense

07-24-2003, 02:55 PM	#33 (permalink)
SysteMatiC Insane Location: unfortunately not ireland	I would have to say either the eagles or pats. __________________ I have more respect for a man who says what he means, even if he is wrong, then one who acts like an angel, but is nothing but a devil.

07-27-2003, 01:02 AM	#34 (permalink)
FunHater Tilted Location: Sherwood Park, AB	/begin sarcasm THE VIKES! /end sarcasm Really though, it is tough for me to say who the best is, there are a number of teams with a very good secondary.

07-27-2003, 10:36 PM	#35 (permalink)
Jesus Malverde Psycho Location: Sinaloa, Mexico	Dallas does have a very good secondary. They will have to prove themselves, AGAIN, this year. It's going to be very hard to pass on them, Woodson and Williams are very smart and very good tacklers, and Terence Newman is very good, I compare him to Champ Bailey. Miami has the best cornerback in Sam Madison, but not the best overall secondary. __________________ ...I'm that cat by the bar toasting to the good life...

07-28-2003, 08:47 AM	#36 (permalink)
Caser Tilted Location: langley	i had to work during the superbowl....that had to hurt more then a .22 slug to the chest __________________ ( . Y . )

07-28-2003, 04:19 PM	#37 (permalink)
ndulacd Upright	Its hard to say for sure since we only have last year to go on. Also, some teams secondary's look better than they are simply b/c the rest of the defense makes them look better. Others look worse than they are b/c they are trying to compensate for the rest of the defense. I agree that Dallas has an interesting secondary and could be one of the best. I also agree with the Bucs and Patriots. The Redskins, Eagles and Dolphins will have very good ones as well, but I think part of that is due to the rest of the defense helping them out. But that is what makes defenses great. Its the entire unit working together and helping each other out. Don't over look the Ravens' secondary this year. They've still got Chris McAlister and Ed Reed back there. With an improved line and the always dangerious Ray Lewis, they could be one of the top defenses in the NFL again. They have some young guys in the secondary that may really surprise people this year. They may not be the best yet, but keep an eye on them.

07-29-2003, 12:34 PM	#38 (permalink)
dy156 cookie Location: in the backwoods	Don't mean to beat this Dallas thing to death, but they have potential to be great, and they're going to have to shine this year, because the D line is not so great, and the linebackers, while likeable guys and fan favorites, are not probowl caliber. I think Woodson's leadership and undeniable toughness will help the young unproven potential stars immensely. All that having been said, best would probably be Tampa Bay -interceptions, tackles, coverage- they can all do it all, and are one of the often overlooked reasons TB won it all.

07-29-2003, 01:07 PM	#39 (permalink)
iceman2032 Crazy	Best Secondary of all time: 94 49ers