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Strange Famous · 05-23-2008, 02:22 PM

Would be having the game reffed like Rugby

1 - Bring back the 10 yard rule which they tried for half a season, and STICK with it... everytime a player disrespects the ref - swears, argues, etc, send them back 10 yards, and if thats in the box, award a penalty. A player shoves the ref or calls him a cheating cunt = instead red.

2 - Yellow card equals half a red AND a 10 min sin bin.

3 - injured players can be treated on the pitch and play carries on unless it is obviously interfering with play (just like in rugby)

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This would stop all the collapsing and feigning injury - not in an instant: but I reckon the third or fourth time Ronaldo or Drogba went down like they were shot and everyone played round them they might get the idea: bring some respect for the ref - again with some pain: and encourage attacking play (because defenders wouldnt leap in so willingly and commit fouls if they knew a yellow meant 10 mins sin bin).

Also, the captains should be the only players allowed to talk to the ref about decisions and general situations - unless a player is asking of guidance or is called to the ref: and refs should listen to captains and give them an explanation for decisions made.

highthief · 05-24-2008, 08:26 AM

I'd be happy with:

1) Only the captain (or designate in the captain's absence) may speak with the ref.

2) Goal line technology to determine if the ball crossed the line.

3) Retroactive red cards for simulation - even if the ref doesn't catch it, let's see a video review panel address the incident after the match and give a suspension for any simulation.

4) The Platini idea of having a certain number of home grown players on every team. They don't have to be citizens, just players who have been with the club since their younger days - this will ensure clubs put effort into developing good players and not just buying them down the road.

BTW, congrats to Hull City for getting promoted today.

The Nightfly · 05-24-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by highthief

4) The Platini idea of having a certain number of home grown players on every team. They don't have to be citizens, just players who have been with the club since their younger days - this will ensure clubs put effort into developing good players and not just buying them down the road.

I totally agree with this. Raising home grown talent and giving them the vital experience of top level football is essential if England are to regain any kind of form. There's no factual backup for this, but the decline in England's form of recent years seems to coincide with the introduction of more overseas players in national teams. Where are the English Cronaldos and Messis? Probably out there somewhere.

Strange Famous · 05-24-2008, 03:01 PM

There used to be a "4 foriegners rule"... as Im sure many people remember: the problem is that it is illegal under EU Law

And Nightfly... were England a great team in the 80's when there was no foriegn talent in Division 1?

If you look at an England 1st XI, we have a number of players who would get into any squad in the world

Gary Neville
Ashley Cole
John Terry
Steven Gerrard
Wayne Rooney

I dont see the problem being with the quality of our players, but the way we play.

Sometimes when I go to my badminton club they have an after school football club in the gym before we play... and to see those kids, all running round after the ball like headless chickens, with NO instinct to keep the ball, no instinct to create time, and instead just desperately swiping the ball forwards at any opportunity.... THAT is everything that is wrong with English football.

I bet watching an under 11's game in Netherlands looks a million times different.

highthief · 05-24-2008, 05:03 PM

I think the foreign influence on the English team particularly via the Premier League is not really a bad one in some ways - young kids being exposed to the skills of Ronaldo, Torres, Fabregas, etc are only going to want to emulate them. Long term it will probably be to the English team's benefit.

I just think teams should have to produce a few players themselves from a youth system rather than just buying them when they hit 22 years old from other leagues. I don't care if the kid in the system is English, Spanish, Nigerian or whatever, so long as they come up through the system at the club.

echo5delta · 05-26-2008, 10:04 PM

I'm inclined to disagree with the three Strange proposed.

1, I'm not familiar with the 10-yard rule, but I do agree something enforcable should be done to promote more respect for the referee's authority, even if it is that useless cunt Graham Poll.

2, I don't think penalty minutes tacked onto a yellow card are a good idea. They already accumulate and affect play in each tournament. Maybe drop it to four or three yellows for a subsequent red?

3, I don't know the game of rugby, but I do feel that one of the very few chivalrous traditions remaining in the world of sport is booting it into the stand when you see an opposing player go down. It does waste some time, I reckon, but it's one of the few - if not only - moments in football when I see a little bit of class, despite the occasional "Kanu moment".

highthief & Platini's "four homegrown" idea just sounds brilliant to me, though. God, can you imagine? Clubs actually concerned about developing youth talent and keeping it for the long term? How ever would the transfer market survive?

It forces clubs to hold on to and develop a minimum number of players for the long term, and it doesn't involve juggling work permits or scrounging for truly gifted players if your nation is bereft of them. Clever idea, that.

PlanG · 05-27-2008, 03:40 AM

Not sure about a ten minute sin bin. You can get yellows all too easily, and it makes a huge impact when you're a man down. This will also reduce the willingness to challenge, which is not a good thing in my books.

I like the idea of homegrown players. I hadn't heard it before - I've only heard of a version where they must be of the same nationality as the club. This would be terrible for English football - we've barely got 11 top level players who are suitable for the Champions League; let alone 4-5+ for each of our four CL teams. However, having the rule which allows bringing in youngsters and training them, from other countries is a much more workable solution. Would be great for Arsenal too

Glory's Sun · 05-27-2008, 07:51 AM

The only two I'd actually support are the 10 yard rule and the line technology.

For the 10 yard rule, it doesn't matter if it's the captain or not. John Terry being the fucking wank he is, has put more spittle in the eyes of refs than just about anyone I've ever seen.

Strange Famous · 05-28-2008, 10:38 AM

The best way to calm the abuse ref's get down is to wire the ref's up and broadcast it.

Like in rugby, if a player is getting pissed off you'll always hear the ref's telling them "be careful, youre on the mic"

spindles · 06-01-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

The best way to calm the abuse ref's get down is to wire the ref's up and broadcast it.

Quite funny at times too. I was watching a local rugby league game here last weekend. The ref calls out a player from each team after a brawl and it is clear he is sending two guys off for 10 minutes. The captain of one team says "this is not fair - you are sending off our hooker and just one of their dumb forwards".

dlish · 06-02-2008, 07:25 AM

i missed that one spindles..which teams and who wwere te players involved?

my team the doggies got done on the weekend. we got walloped 46-0 or something disgraceful.

spindles · 06-02-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dlish

i missed that one spindles..which teams and who were the players involved?

Titans vs Tigers. Bryce Gibbs from the Tigers and Nathan Friend from the Titans were the two players sent to the bin. Scott Prince (who is an ex-Tiger) made the comment. Funnily enough, Gibbs was quoted in the paper the next day saying Prince was right - he is just a dumb forward

edit: Bulldogs fan myself - been a difficult year

Porkchop · 06-02-2008, 11:44 PM

Its a strange one this, something needs to be done. The way players act, diving argueing etc. All for goal line technology and bringing back the 10yard rule. The foreign ruleing would be worthwhile too. Although in this day of playing the human rights card for the least thing. Will be hard to push that rule through.

alienhunter · 06-03-2008, 01:48 PM

Get rid of the offside rule. I play hockey and when this was introduced we thought it would be bad but it really openrd up the game. Also a 3 card system like Hockey again, Warning, sinbin, off. And use video, too much can turn on one diving cheating tosser.

05-23-2008, 02:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	The biggest improvements that could be made to football (soccer) Would be having the game reffed like Rugby 1 - Bring back the 10 yard rule which they tried for half a season, and STICK with it... everytime a player disrespects the ref - swears, argues, etc, send them back 10 yards, and if thats in the box, award a penalty. A player shoves the ref or calls him a cheating cunt = instead red. 2 - Yellow card equals half a red AND a 10 min sin bin. 3 - injured players can be treated on the pitch and play carries on unless it is obviously interfering with play (just like in rugby) __ This would stop all the collapsing and feigning injury - not in an instant: but I reckon the third or fourth time Ronaldo or Drogba went down like they were shot and everyone played round them they might get the idea: bring some respect for the ref - again with some pain: and encourage attacking play (because defenders wouldnt leap in so willingly and commit fouls if they knew a yellow meant 10 mins sin bin). Also, the captains should be the only players allowed to talk to the ref about decisions and general situations - unless a player is asking of guidance or is called to the ref: and refs should listen to captains and give them an explanation for decisions made. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

05-24-2008, 08:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	I'd be happy with: 1) Only the captain (or designate in the captain's absence) may speak with the ref. 2) Goal line technology to determine if the ball crossed the line. 3) Retroactive red cards for simulation - even if the ref doesn't catch it, let's see a video review panel address the incident after the match and give a suspension for any simulation. 4) The Platini idea of having a certain number of home grown players on every team. They don't have to be citizens, just players who have been with the club since their younger days - this will ensure clubs put effort into developing good players and not just buying them down the road. BTW, congrats to Hull City for getting promoted today. __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

05-24-2008, 03:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	There used to be a "4 foriegners rule"... as Im sure many people remember: the problem is that it is illegal under EU Law And Nightfly... were England a great team in the 80's when there was no foriegn talent in Division 1? If you look at an England 1st XI, we have a number of players who would get into any squad in the world Gary Neville Ashley Cole John Terry Steven Gerrard Wayne Rooney I dont see the problem being with the quality of our players, but the way we play. Sometimes when I go to my badminton club they have an after school football club in the gym before we play... and to see those kids, all running round after the ball like headless chickens, with NO instinct to keep the ball, no instinct to create time, and instead just desperately swiping the ball forwards at any opportunity.... THAT is everything that is wrong with English football. I bet watching an under 11's game in Netherlands looks a million times different. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

05-24-2008, 05:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	I think the foreign influence on the English team particularly via the Premier League is not really a bad one in some ways - young kids being exposed to the skills of Ronaldo, Torres, Fabregas, etc are only going to want to emulate them. Long term it will probably be to the English team's benefit. I just think teams should have to produce a few players themselves from a youth system rather than just buying them when they hit 22 years old from other leagues. I don't care if the kid in the system is English, Spanish, Nigerian or whatever, so long as they come up through the system at the club. __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

05-26-2008, 10:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
echo5delta Crazy Location: Swamp Lagoon, North Cackalacky	I'm inclined to disagree with the three Strange proposed. 1, I'm not familiar with the 10-yard rule, but I do agree something enforcable should be done to promote more respect for the referee's authority, even if it is that useless cunt Graham Poll. 2, I don't think penalty minutes tacked onto a yellow card are a good idea. They already accumulate and affect play in each tournament. Maybe drop it to four or three yellows for a subsequent red? 3, I don't know the game of rugby, but I do feel that one of the very few chivalrous traditions remaining in the world of sport is booting it into the stand when you see an opposing player go down. It does waste some time, I reckon, but it's one of the few - if not only - moments in football when I see a little bit of class, despite the occasional "Kanu moment". highthief & Platini's "four homegrown" idea just sounds brilliant to me, though. God, can you imagine? Clubs actually concerned about developing youth talent and keeping it for the long term? How ever would the transfer market survive? It forces clubs to hold on to and develop a minimum number of players for the long term, and it doesn't involve juggling work permits or scrounging for truly gifted players if your nation is bereft of them. Clever idea, that. __________________ "Peace" is when nobody's shooting. A "Just Peace" is when we get what we want. - Bill Mauldin

05-27-2008, 03:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
PlanG Crazy Location: England	Not sure about a ten minute sin bin. You can get yellows all too easily, and it makes a huge impact when you're a man down. This will also reduce the willingness to challenge, which is not a good thing in my books. I like the idea of homegrown players. I hadn't heard it before - I've only heard of a version where they must be of the same nationality as the club. This would be terrible for English football - we've barely got 11 top level players who are suitable for the Champions League; let alone 4-5+ for each of our four CL teams. However, having the rule which allows bringing in youngsters and training them, from other countries is a much more workable solution. Would be great for Arsenal too

05-27-2008, 07:51 AM	#8 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	The only two I'd actually support are the 10 yard rule and the line technology. For the 10 yard rule, it doesn't matter if it's the captain or not. John Terry being the fucking wank he is, has put more spittle in the eyes of refs than just about anyone I've ever seen.

05-28-2008, 10:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	The best way to calm the abuse ref's get down is to wire the ref's up and broadcast it. Like in rugby, if a player is getting pissed off you'll always hear the ref's telling them "be careful, youre on the mic" __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

06-02-2008, 07:25 AM	#11 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	i missed that one spindles..which teams and who wwere te players involved? my team the doggies got done on the weekend. we got walloped 46-0 or something disgraceful. __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

06-02-2008, 11:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
Porkchop Psycho Location: Good ol Blighty	Its a strange one this, something needs to be done. The way players act, diving argueing etc. All for goal line technology and bringing back the 10yard rule. The foreign ruleing would be worthwhile too. Although in this day of playing the human rights card for the least thing. Will be hard to push that rule through. __________________ Be cool btch now btch be cool Sport 1976 Taxi Driver.

06-03-2008, 01:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
alienhunter Upright	Get rid of the offside rule. I play hockey and when this was introduced we thought it would be bad but it really openrd up the game. Also a 3 card system like Hockey again, Warning, sinbin, off. And use video, too much can turn on one diving cheating tosser. __________________ Sorry to say, but all that really counts is me. (I am pretty sure that all of you are participants in what is my reality and you do my bidding)