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thespian86 · 03-04-2008, 07:30 AM

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Favre tells Packers he's retiring

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Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre has decided to retire.

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ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that according to Favre's agent, Buss Cook, Favre informed Packers coach Mike McCarthy of his decision Monday night.
A sure-fire first-ballot Hall of Famer, Favre, acquired in a trade with the Atlanta Falcons, led the Packers back to the NFL's elite. He retires with 5,377 carrer completions in 8,758 attempts for 61,655 yards, 442 touchdowns and 288 interceptions, passing Dan Marino's touchdown mark last season.
As a player Favre was known for his durability, his willingness to take risks and turn broken plays into big gains and the way his love for the game was evident in the way he played. He went to a pair of Super Bowls in 1996 and 1997, winning it all on his first try, as well as nine Pro Bowls.

Cook said as of Tuesday morning, there were no plans for Favre to hold a news conference.

Favre, who returned for the 2007 season when many thought he should have left the game, had a career renaissance in his final season and led the Packers to the NFC Championship Game, where they lost to the eventual Super Bowl champion New York Giants in overtime.

Mortensen reported that Favre, who wanted the Packers to obtain Randy Moss when he was a free agent last season, had once again pushed for Moss to join the Packers. Favre had spoken to Moss late last week and was willing to commit to more than just this season if Moss and the Packers could come to an agreement. But the Packers did not pursue Moss, who re-signed with the Patriots on Monday.

ESPN NFL reporter Chris Mortensen contributed to this story.

I just told my Fiancee as she walked upstairs saying "baby, does this look ok". She replied with "I know.. it's okay" then walked off... I'm dying.

The_Jazz · 03-04-2008, 08:16 AM

You're dying. I'm celebrating. I guess I shouldn't since he won't be there to throw us interceptions next year, but I can feel good that he didn't beat us in his last year.

Go Bears!

Edit: from Fark, a highlight reel of Farve's greatest interceptions

thespian86 · 03-04-2008, 08:31 AM

Even a Chicago fan has to admit that Favre was one of the greatest; his talent and love of the game, charisma and leadership skills on and off the field. It is bigger then team rivalries.

Ustwo · 03-04-2008, 08:54 AM

Favre was one of the greatest, and had an amazingly long career.

Amazingly long.

Like really really long.

Kinda like Roger Clemens long.

Just saying.

thespian86 · 03-04-2008, 09:00 AM

I have been saying that even after this year Favre should retire; Rodgers is the future and is tired of riding the bench I'm sure. It's hard to let go of your hero though.

MontanaXVI · 03-04-2008, 09:01 AM

I really liked Favre, thought he was a good QB, but no way the best ever.

All too often he would (in the later stages of his career) throw between 2894784502398208975047903825509 defenders to his guy who fell down and get upset if the ball got picked off, almost like the pass would be complete because he was Brett Favre.

The_Jazz · 03-04-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by punkmusicfan21

Even a Chicago fan has to admit that Favre was one of the greatest; his talent and love of the game, charisma and leadership skills on and off the field. It is bigger then team rivalries.

Good guy? Yes, probably one of the best. Will he be missed in the locker room and on the field? Yes.

Am I glad that he's gone and that he was 1/4 against the Bears in the last 2 years? Oh, hell yeah.

His records will be eclipsed by Manning and Brady. Except the interceptions one - that's probably safe.

Jenna · 03-04-2008, 03:45 PM

I know a few people who are wearing all black tomorrow.

I'm with you punkmusicfan, he will be missed. It will be SO WIERD to watch a game without him. I don't remember any other QB as I'm really young.

guyy · 03-04-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

His records will be eclipsed by Manning and Brady.

They need to be in the games to do that, and that's not at all a given.

Redlemon · 03-05-2008, 06:52 AM

There's a rumor that he was waiting to see if Green Bay could take Randy Moss from the Patriots, and if they could, he'd go one more year. Certainly, there were mere hours between Moss' contract and Favre's announcement.

thespian86 · 03-05-2008, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Redlemon

There's a rumor that he was waiting to see if Green Bay could take Randy Moss from the Patriots, and if they could, he'd go one more year. Certainly, there were mere hours between Moss' contract and Favre's announcement.

Yeah Redlemon, people speculated that because he had openly campaigned for Moss last year, and then criticized the franchise for not picking him up when they could of, that he was asking for a trade. The first two things being true, but the trade being only rumor, it seemed only likely that he would do the same again this year.

But it's not the direction that Ted Thompson (GM) is going. He builds young, speedy, west coast offenses, and builds from the line out. Moss was an expensive thing they certainly didn't need (They have Greg Jennings, and an under appreciated Koren Robinson, as well as two very young but very talented players in James Jones and Ruvell Martin) that would have brought the team back to a vertical pass threat team. Moss is more of a deep threat then a possession receiver in IMO. It might have secured Favre, but it didn't make sense and didn't fit the team. If Favre left because of that it would of been selfish.

I would of loved to see those two together, it would of probably meant MVP number four and maybe another super bowl ring. I don't think anyone throws a deep ball like Favre and with the line emerging as one of the best, most underrated group of practical nobodies then he would of had the time to bomb it. Yet, that is a very short term goal and would likely hinder the growth of players who are starting to shine; especially Greg Jennings.

I hope that's not why Favre left, but if it was, then I think it would of had more to do with being done with the game, and not with being a pompous prick. People at that age need personal incentives to keep going through the grueling physical and mental work needed. Maybe that was his reward that he deserved in his head, and when he didn't, he said "well maybe it's not worth it" instead of "Fuck you Thompson, thanks for nothing." Either way next year won't be the same.

Redlemon · 03-05-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by punkmusicfan21

I hope that's not why Favre left, but if it was, then I think it would of had more to do with being done with the game, and not with being a pompous prick. People at that age need personal incentives to keep going through the grueling physical and mental work needed. Maybe that was his reward that he deserved in his head, and when he didn't, he said "well maybe it's not worth it" instead of "Fuck you Thompson, thanks for nothing." Either way next year won't be the same.

I see it as "I'm pretty much done. If I had Moss, it would be a fun toy to play with for one more year. I don't, so I guess this is the end." I don't envision it as petty at all.

Scorps · 03-05-2008, 12:55 PM

Sad to see him go, I think he had a couple year left in him

Pac-man04 · 03-05-2008, 02:23 PM

I couldn't even bring myself to start this thread.

I had a feeling that this might happen since he did have a great 07 season but I hoped that it wouldn't. Favre, for me was more than a quarterback, he was a common man that didnt get a big head nor look for big paydays like the other (Remain nameless as not to offend other fans) quaterbacks. He played because he wanted to not because he needed to. To watch him play reminded me of when I used to play. IT WAS FUN!!! That's it!! Plain and simple fun.

Thank you Brett for sharing the fun you had on the field with those of us that wanted to be there as well!!!

YOU WILL BE MISSED!!!

thespian86 · 03-06-2008, 10:07 AM

I'm watching the press conference right now and he is just shinning as himself. He cried over leaving and laughed when he answered "what are looking forward to doing..." with an interrupting "nothin'". I'm hoping he gets into analyst work or coaching but it seems very unlikely. Hard day.

Amaras · 03-09-2008, 06:11 PM

PMF21, as to your location, we are ALL in the witness protection program
her in Canada.
Brett was a heck of a lot of fun to watch, not greatest ever, but many
folks will pick him on those video games where the skills are estimated
for actual players.

pointbock69 · 04-05-2008, 08:27 PM

i am a little late in the game here, but to let jennaboo4u know, that even though:

"I don't remember any other QB as I'm really young."

I am an old guy, well almost 40, and I won't ever see another Favre in my lifetime at Green Bay, I never did before him and never will after him. We can just consider ourselves lucky we were into it when he was!!

thespian86 · 07-11-2008, 07:03 AM

Okay so this needs to be brought up.

Over the past two weeks now there has been endless speculation on whether or not Favre had been considering returning. It started out as a talk, then a serious conversation, his brother commits to "50-50 chance of playing", Adam Schefter is saying 80% chance on the NFL Network, now there is serious momentum behind the chance that he might be sending a letter of intention to the Pack in the next week to be added to the active roster.

I don't know how to feel about this because there isn't really a clear cut answer. There are three possible things that can happen here if you ask me, only two of them are likely, one of them the most likely.

A) He'll take over again at starting quaterback. This wouldn't be horrible; Favre is a wonderful Quarterback who can put the ball into some tight spots and make bombs like no one else in the league. Favre also has a kind of magic and playing style that leads to some serious comebacks which we saw a lot of last year. There is also the uncertainty of Rodgers playing to his full potential. I like what I'm seeing but the only thing I'm worried about is him getting injured and having my boys pull a Panthers with Brohm.

B) He'll be traded. This seems the most likely right now. Most of the Pack are saying, although with very few words, that they have moved on and I think they are completely justified. Yes, to a hoard of fans, Brett is the second coming of Jesus Christ. I don't believe for a minute that they were "pushing him out the door"; sounds like a Bus Cook drama queen line. But I watched his Press Conference and I was convinced; I bet they were too. Listen, I love Favre, he is my hero (I mean look at my avatar), but after implementing a whole new "evolved" offense for Aaron I have to think the trade is inevitable. And they would have to play this well. He demands a first round pick, and most likely to someone like the Texans or Carolina, hopefully Baltimore. Keep him in the AFC, with a team that won't play the Pack because that would be a nightmare.

C) The release him. Stupid! Any three of the other NFC North teams are probably drooling to get their hands on Favre. Releasing him would mean having to play him in either Orange and Blue, Blue and Silver, or Purple and Yellow; the last being the worst one because all they are missing is a solid Quarterback and I don't want to give him one of the best of all time.

Personally I don't know how to feel about this. I know logically it's Rodgers' time to shine; he's put in his time and deserves his long awaited shot. But Favre pulls at my heartstrings. Its like a relationship with a girlfriend you know should end but continue out of fear of the future and the comfortable nature of the current situation. It doesn't help that he is America's hero/one of the best quarterbacks of all time.

This is such a fucking hot mess. What do you guys think?

Poppinjay · 07-11-2008, 07:13 AM

Nothing good can come of this. Green Bay is already developing an offense around Rodgers. For Favre to end his career in something other than a Green Bay uniform is just.... wrong. And I'm not even a fan.

He won't sit back and be a mentor to Rodgers. He'll have to start somewhere.

Hopefully he'll just stay retired.

QuasiMondo · 07-11-2008, 01:39 PM

Good news/bad news (depending on how you see it)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3483521

Farve is now asking the Packers for an unconditional release. I think Green Bay should go for it. Win/win for everybody. Packers get to resume building their offense around Rodgers, Farve gets to continue playing, and somewhere out there, a team will get a bump in ticket sales.

thespian86 · 07-11-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo

Good news/bad news (depending on how you see it)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3483521

Farve is now asking the Packers for an unconditional release. I think Green Bay should go for it. Win/win for everybody. Packers get to resume building their offense around Rodgers, Farve gets to continue playing, and somewhere out there, a team will get a bump in ticket sales.

It's not win/win. The teams most likely to actively pursue Favre are The Bears, The Vikings, and The Lions. How scary would the Vikes be with Favre behind center. There is no win/win here except that way everyone would look like a good guy; but that's not going to win ball games. I'm disappointed in how this is going down.

QuasiMondo · 07-11-2008, 08:01 PM

Have you no confidence in the abilities of Kyle Rodgers? Even if the Bears, Vikings, and Lions did get Farve, how long do you think he can play at a championship level?

I'd be thinking differently about it if he wasn't so old. He's at the Vinny Testeverde stage in his career. Keeping him in a Green Bay uniform does a disservice to the team because they can't plan for the future around Rodgers, and it's a disservice to Rodgers to have him ride the bench for another season.

thespian86 · 07-11-2008, 08:16 PM

I don't want Favre to stay with the Packers; the team took his retirement seriously, and moved on to Aaron. Aaron is going to be more then capable but this situation is a lot more complicated then what you're making it.

The Packers are poised in their division to do some great things. In fact the only thing that really stands in their way is The Vikes, and without a capable quarterback they are less likely to hinder my team's success. The Pack aren't going to be great forever. Seasons will change my team, they always do, and who's to say how long the window for success will be open. Favre moving to any team in the NFC North would be a disaster; moving to any team we play would be almost as bad.

But that is just on the field. Off the field this is even worse. The Packers have been put in a very bad position by Brett (and God knows, and every girlfriend I've ever had, I love him). Ted mishandles this and he's fucked; the fans own the team for god sakes. He's fucked if he refuses to bow to Favre because then he is muddying one of the greats, and perhaps the favorite of all pack fans. If they release him, and he goes to the vikes or even the bears, then he may be losing his potentially great season.

ALSO if he just releases Favre, without pursuing a trade, then he is fucked (for getting Brett/the fans ruffled) and he gets nothing to show for it (like Montana's first round trade; which is what we need).

The best thing to do is to do what they did with Corey Williams in the offseason. They tied Corey to their team (he was an unrestricted free agent) and then traded him for high value. The Pack should reinstate him, then trade him. If nothing comes up, release him as he wishes. That way is a win/win; as much as you could in this mess.

I love Brett, he is my hero, but I'm going to call it like it is and call this selfish.

yellowmac · 07-12-2008, 06:22 AM

I wish Favre would just commit to his decision... by doing this, isn't he essentially betraying a vast majority of his fans back in Green Bay? Does he really want to do that to his legacy for one more season?

Sure, I think we all know that if he played for a team that needs a QB next season, he'd immediately make that team 2-3 wins better, but I doubt he'd put up the kind of numbers he put up last season.

Come on Brett. Everyone likes you, but don't do this to us NFL fans. We'd have to put up with endless media coverage and speculation about his return, and eventually round 2 of "is he/is he not retiring?"

Strange Famous · 07-12-2008, 11:40 AM

coming back to play anywhere other than Green Bay for a season doesnt make sense to me.

In the long term I dont think it effects his status as a legend and hero of that team - but it was right that he retires as a Packers player, and also retires on the back of a good season and playing well.

pig · 07-12-2008, 12:08 PM

I don't even like football very much, and I think this is an awful decision by Favre. I understand he's never done shit else with his life, but now is the time for him to learn. This gives me the feeling that I got when Jordan went and tried to play baseball, and then came back, and then went and played for the Raptors or whomever...and it sucked balls. I think it's an awful idea that will likely turn into a steaming pile of shit unless he backs away and stays retired.

QuasiMondo · 07-12-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowmac

I wish Favre would just commit to his decision... by doing this, isn't he essentially betraying a vast majority of his fans back in Green Bay? Does he really want to do that to his legacy for one more season?

Sure, I think we all know that if he played for a team that needs a QB next season, he'd immediately make that team 2-3 wins better, but I doubt he'd put up the kind of numbers he put up last season.

Come on Brett. Everyone likes you, but don't do this to us NFL fans. We'd have to put up with endless media coverage and speculation about his return, and eventually round 2 of "is he/is he not retiring?"

They said that about Michael Jordan, but who really thinks those few abysmal seasons he spent playing for the Washington Wizards tarnised the legacy he built playing for the Chicago Bulls?

And don't worry about the media attention. It'll only last until another NFL player is arrested for fighting in a strip club, or picked up on a DUI charge, or hemmed up for something drug related, then that'll push Farve to the back burner.

pig · 07-12-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo

They said that about Michael Jordan, but who really thinks those few abysmal seasons he spent playing for the Washington Wizards tarnised the legacy he built playing for the Chicago Bulls?

I do.

03-04-2008, 08:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	You're dying. I'm celebrating. I guess I shouldn't since he won't be there to throw us interceptions next year, but I can feel good that he didn't beat us in his last year. Go Bears! Edit: from Fark, a highlight reel of Farve's greatest interceptions __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo Last edited by The_Jazz; 03-04-2008 at 08:27 AM..

03-04-2008, 08:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	Even a Chicago fan has to admit that Favre was one of the greatest; his talent and love of the game, charisma and leadership skills on and off the field. It is bigger then team rivalries. __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

03-04-2008, 08:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Favre was one of the greatest, and had an amazingly long career. Amazingly long. Like really really long. Kinda like Roger Clemens long. Just saying. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

03-04-2008, 09:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	I have been saying that even after this year Favre should retire; Rodgers is the future and is tired of riding the bench I'm sure. It's hard to let go of your hero though. __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

03-04-2008, 09:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
MontanaXVI Junkie Location: Go A's!!!!	I really liked Favre, thought he was a good QB, but no way the best ever. All too often he would (in the later stages of his career) throw between 2894784502398208975047903825509 defenders to his guy who fell down and get upset if the ball got picked off, almost like the pass would be complete because he was Brett Favre. __________________ Spank you very much

03-04-2008, 03:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jenna Psycho Location: Wisconsin	I know a few people who are wearing all black tomorrow. I'm with you punkmusicfan, he will be missed. It will be SO WIERD to watch a game without him. I don't remember any other QB as I'm really young.

03-05-2008, 06:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	There's a rumor that he was waiting to see if Green Bay could take Randy Moss from the Patriots, and if they could, he'd go one more year. Certainly, there were mere hours between Moss' contract and Favre's announcement. __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

03-05-2008, 12:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	Sad to see him go, I think he had a couple year left in him __________________ A.K.A. PainTrain

03-05-2008, 02:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
Pac-man04 Upright Location: O.C.	I couldn't even bring myself to start this thread. I had a feeling that this might happen since he did have a great 07 season but I hoped that it wouldn't. Favre, for me was more than a quarterback, he was a common man that didnt get a big head nor look for big paydays like the other (Remain nameless as not to offend other fans) quaterbacks. He played because he wanted to not because he needed to. To watch him play reminded me of when I used to play. IT WAS FUN!!! That's it!! Plain and simple fun. Thank you Brett for sharing the fun you had on the field with those of us that wanted to be there as well!!! YOU WILL BE MISSED!!! __________________ "He's the best of us. The best of our best, the best that each of us will ever build or ever love. So pray for this Guardian of our growth and choose him well, for if he be not truly blest, then our designs are surely frivolous and our future but a tragic waste of hope. Bless our best and adore for he doth bear our measure to the Cosmos." "You are What you do When it counts"

03-06-2008, 10:07 AM	#15 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	I'm watching the press conference right now and he is just shinning as himself. He cried over leaving and laughed when he answered "what are looking forward to doing..." with an interrupting "nothin'". I'm hoping he gets into analyst work or coaching but it seems very unlikely. Hard day. __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

03-09-2008, 06:11 PM	#16 (permalink)
Amaras Junkie Location: At my daughter's beck and call.	PMF21, as to your location, we are ALL in the witness protection program her in Canada. Brett was a heck of a lot of fun to watch, not greatest ever, but many folks will pick him on those video games where the skills are estimated for actual players. __________________ Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state. -Noam Chomsky Love is a verb, not a noun. -My Mom The function of genius is to furnish cretins with ideas twenty years later. -Louis Aragon, "La Porte-plume," Traite du style, 1928

04-05-2008, 08:27 PM	#17 (permalink)
pointbock69 Registered User Location: Dallas, TX	i am a little late in the game here, but to let jennaboo4u know, that even though: "I don't remember any other QB as I'm really young." I am an old guy, well almost 40, and I won't ever see another Favre in my lifetime at Green Bay, I never did before him and never will after him. We can just consider ourselves lucky we were into it when he was!!

07-11-2008, 07:03 AM	#18 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	Okay so this needs to be brought up. Over the past two weeks now there has been endless speculation on whether or not Favre had been considering returning. It started out as a talk, then a serious conversation, his brother commits to "50-50 chance of playing", Adam Schefter is saying 80% chance on the NFL Network, now there is serious momentum behind the chance that he might be sending a letter of intention to the Pack in the next week to be added to the active roster. I don't know how to feel about this because there isn't really a clear cut answer. There are three possible things that can happen here if you ask me, only two of them are likely, one of them the most likely. A) He'll take over again at starting quaterback. This wouldn't be horrible; Favre is a wonderful Quarterback who can put the ball into some tight spots and make bombs like no one else in the league. Favre also has a kind of magic and playing style that leads to some serious comebacks which we saw a lot of last year. There is also the uncertainty of Rodgers playing to his full potential. I like what I'm seeing but the only thing I'm worried about is him getting injured and having my boys pull a Panthers with Brohm. B) He'll be traded. This seems the most likely right now. Most of the Pack are saying, although with very few words, that they have moved on and I think they are completely justified. Yes, to a hoard of fans, Brett is the second coming of Jesus Christ. I don't believe for a minute that they were "pushing him out the door"; sounds like a Bus Cook drama queen line. But I watched his Press Conference and I was convinced; I bet they were too. Listen, I love Favre, he is my hero (I mean look at my avatar), but after implementing a whole new "evolved" offense for Aaron I have to think the trade is inevitable. And they would have to play this well. He demands a first round pick, and most likely to someone like the Texans or Carolina, hopefully Baltimore. Keep him in the AFC, with a team that won't play the Pack because that would be a nightmare. C) The release him. Stupid! Any three of the other NFC North teams are probably drooling to get their hands on Favre. Releasing him would mean having to play him in either Orange and Blue, Blue and Silver, or Purple and Yellow; the last being the worst one because all they are missing is a solid Quarterback and I don't want to give him one of the best of all time. Personally I don't know how to feel about this. I know logically it's Rodgers' time to shine; he's put in his time and deserves his long awaited shot. But Favre pulls at my heartstrings. Its like a relationship with a girlfriend you know should end but continue out of fear of the future and the comfortable nature of the current situation. It doesn't help that he is America's hero/one of the best quarterbacks of all time. This is such a fucking hot mess. What do you guys think? __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

07-11-2008, 07:13 AM	#19 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	Nothing good can come of this. Green Bay is already developing an offense around Rodgers. For Favre to end his career in something other than a Green Bay uniform is just.... wrong. And I'm not even a fan. He won't sit back and be a mentor to Rodgers. He'll have to start somewhere. Hopefully he'll just stay retired. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

07-11-2008, 01:39 PM	#20 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	Good news/bad news (depending on how you see it) http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3483521 Farve is now asking the Packers for an unconditional release. I think Green Bay should go for it. Win/win for everybody. Packers get to resume building their offense around Rodgers, Farve gets to continue playing, and somewhere out there, a team will get a bump in ticket sales. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

07-11-2008, 08:01 PM	#22 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	Have you no confidence in the abilities of Kyle Rodgers? Even if the Bears, Vikings, and Lions did get Farve, how long do you think he can play at a championship level? I'd be thinking differently about it if he wasn't so old. He's at the Vinny Testeverde stage in his career. Keeping him in a Green Bay uniform does a disservice to the team because they can't plan for the future around Rodgers, and it's a disservice to Rodgers to have him ride the bench for another season. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

07-11-2008, 08:16 PM	#23 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	I don't want Favre to stay with the Packers; the team took his retirement seriously, and moved on to Aaron. Aaron is going to be more then capable but this situation is a lot more complicated then what you're making it. The Packers are poised in their division to do some great things. In fact the only thing that really stands in their way is The Vikes, and without a capable quarterback they are less likely to hinder my team's success. The Pack aren't going to be great forever. Seasons will change my team, they always do, and who's to say how long the window for success will be open. Favre moving to any team in the NFC North would be a disaster; moving to any team we play would be almost as bad. But that is just on the field. Off the field this is even worse. The Packers have been put in a very bad position by Brett (and God knows, and every girlfriend I've ever had, I love him). Ted mishandles this and he's fucked; the fans own the team for god sakes. He's fucked if he refuses to bow to Favre because then he is muddying one of the greats, and perhaps the favorite of all pack fans. If they release him, and he goes to the vikes or even the bears, then he may be losing his potentially great season. ALSO if he just releases Favre, without pursuing a trade, then he is fucked (for getting Brett/the fans ruffled) and he gets nothing to show for it (like Montana's first round trade; which is what we need). The best thing to do is to do what they did with Corey Williams in the offseason. They tied Corey to their team (he was an unrestricted free agent) and then traded him for high value. The Pack should reinstate him, then trade him. If nothing comes up, release him as he wishes. That way is a win/win; as much as you could in this mess. I love Brett, he is my hero, but I'm going to call it like it is and call this selfish. __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

07-12-2008, 06:22 AM	#24 (permalink)
yellowmac Insane Location: left coast	I wish Favre would just commit to his decision... by doing this, isn't he essentially betraying a vast majority of his fans back in Green Bay? Does he really want to do that to his legacy for one more season? Sure, I think we all know that if he played for a team that needs a QB next season, he'd immediately make that team 2-3 wins better, but I doubt he'd put up the kind of numbers he put up last season. Come on Brett. Everyone likes you, but don't do this to us NFL fans. We'd have to put up with endless media coverage and speculation about his return, and eventually round 2 of "is he/is he not retiring?"

07-12-2008, 11:40 AM	#25 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	coming back to play anywhere other than Green Bay for a season doesnt make sense to me. In the long term I dont think it effects his status as a legend and hero of that team - but it was right that he retires as a Packers player, and also retires on the back of a good season and playing well. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-12-2008, 12:08 PM	#26 (permalink)
pig pigglet pigglet Location: Locash	I don't even like football very much, and I think this is an awful decision by Favre. I understand he's never done shit else with his life, but now is the time for him to learn. This gives me the feeling that I got when Jordan went and tried to play baseball, and then came back, and then went and played for the Raptors or whomever...and it sucked balls. I think it's an awful idea that will likely turn into a steaming pile of shit unless he backs away and stays retired. __________________ You don't love me, you just love my piggy style