Need views from NON-anti-gay/lesbian marriage ppl. - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Undercover_Man · 02-23-2005, 10:58 AM

Hello. I need other ppl's opinions about gay/lesbian marriages. All I know about the subject is that I'm not against it. It doesn't matter to me. It doesn't bother me. But that's all I know about my opinions. I don't have a reason why I'm not against it. I need your views please so I can maybe figure out MY views. Maybe your views will clarify mine.

- Undercover_Man

EDIT: Now why the feck didn't I say that the first GD time!!!

Charlatan · 02-23-2005, 11:01 AM

Use the search function and read some of the many, MANY postings on this issue from both sides of the discussion.

Averett · 02-23-2005, 11:01 AM

You don't have time to do it on your own because you have a party? Too damn bad.

I can't believe people have the nerve to ask us to do their work for them.

If I were doing this I could actually do it on my own and not ask an internet messasge board. But that's just me. I was taught to do my own work. And I grew up pre-Google/message board days so I didn't have the easy way out.

Humph.

betula · 02-23-2005, 11:04 AM

One minute is NOT very long. Even if this is a high school course, you should be able to speak 1 minute on a suject with little work. In fact, in the time you typed up the thread, you probably could have found 3 web sources with the info you need.

Being busy is not an excuse for acedemic dishonesty.

Bill O'Rights · 02-23-2005, 11:17 AM

Charlatan · 02-23-2005, 11:20 AM

You super mods... always showing off your super powers... sheesh.

Undercover_Man · 02-23-2005, 12:25 PM

FINE!!! Don't help me. And btw it's MY birthday party as well. Other family members b-days too. Family comes before everything else. I've got other school projects to do too. And those other posts were done on my break. I take some breaks heree and there. I wasn't asking you to do the work for me. Just some views on the subject to help me out. And the subject has nothing to do with what the actual grade will reflect. It'll reflect how well I make my movie. I thought you ppl would help a guy out. This is supposed to be a place where ppl can get help isn't it? Plus I have a funeral to go to. I'm flooded with work and I need a little help that's all. Just some info. What's wrong with asking for a little bit of information and feedback?

- Undercover_Man

P.S.: I don't mean to be mean I'm just disappointed in why you ppl won't help me out. I'M the one that's going to be making the whole movie. the info is likee 10% of the work.

Averett · 02-23-2005, 12:34 PM

You want help?

www.google.com

ratbastid · 02-23-2005, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan

You super mods... always showing off your super powers... sheesh.

Yeah, man, if I had Bill's Super Copy and Paste Power, there would be no limit on what I'd copy. And paste.

Man.

Undercover_Man · 02-23-2005, 01:30 PM

You know how many porn websites I come up with when I type gay and lesbian?? I need ppl's views NOT info about sites and where the next marathon is going to be. ANYWAY I found someone who is willing to help me out.

I have a family and without them I wouldn't be here and I wouldn't be getting so much support from them. You think repaying them back by not coming to their birthdays/anniv. (sisters anniv.) is a polite thing to do? I'm a family person. I put family before work. That's how it SHOULD be. I don't go looking for excuses to not be involved with my family. I guess you ppl do. I don't know. I'm not you. I guess next time I need help, I won't be so open and honest about what I'm going to do with the info. Especially if you guys are going to flame me like this.

This thread makes me sad.

- Undercover_Man

P.S.: Thanx Charlatan for not flaming me.

hossified · 02-23-2005, 01:35 PM

here...I'll help you:

...I'm ummm too lazy to do my own work and my priorities are out of whack, and I don't really care about this issue, so I asked a bunch of strangers to write some crap down for me, and I'm just giong to submit that. It's my birthday, and I have a party to go to......yes it's hard to believe that I am actually older than 5, because that's how I sound, but I swear I'm older. Anyways, I hope this is good enough to give me an A so that I can be spoiled by my parents who obviously haven't instilled a good work ethic into my moral fibre, otherwise I would have done this project myself.....but who cares as long as it gets me a BMW when I turn 16........

Averett · 02-23-2005, 01:37 PM

In the amount of time it's taking you to type out excuse after excuse I think you could sit yourself down at your desk, do some thinking, and get your work done.

But what do I know?

Oh, and what hossified said.

And you know what? You could have gotten this information very easily. If you were smart about it. If you just started a topic on the issue of gay marriage, people would have talked. But you came in here saying "I'm too 'busy' to do my own homework, so I want you to do it for me." And that's just not going to fly.

tecoyah · 02-23-2005, 01:38 PM

OKay....before this gets nasty.....I will invest my precious time (1.7 minutes) and do all the work for you....all you need to do is read:

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=83691

and he wonders why he has yet to have the switch flipped

Giant Hamburger · 02-23-2005, 01:51 PM

Whoa, look at all the high horses crammed into one small thread.

Here is my opinion:
In a world teetering on the brink of overpopulation how can we avoid the obvious benifits of potentially non-reproductive couplings. It is only a matter of time before outdated values evolve to fit the necessity of modern times.

It's brief and not really that meaningful.
Consider it my way of saying happy birthday.
-GH

Averett · 02-23-2005, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giant Hamburger

Whoa, look at all the high horses crammed into one small thread.

I call it more jealousy that I didn't have somebody doing my work for me when I was in school

Charlatan · 02-23-2005, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undercover_Man

P.S.: Thanx Charlatan for not flaming me.

Well, to be honest I was going to flame you but I had a job interview to rush off to and didn't have the time... I figured I could count on the good people of the TFP to do my flaming for me...

tecoyah · 02-23-2005, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan

Well, to be honest I was going to flame you but I had a job interview to rush off to and didn't have the time... I figured I could count on the good people of the TFP to do my flaming for me...

Freakin' Classic

k9trainingbiz · 02-23-2005, 02:54 PM

Why don't you actually use your mind to think? Why do you feel about it like you do?
Learn to form opinions and have an actual reason. That's what intelligent people do.
You do sound about the elementary school level. Maybe they should have held you back.

la petite moi · 02-23-2005, 03:00 PM

A few things to say, like everyone else: Get your priorities straight, become a thinker and a learner (not some boring person who doesn't have his own opinions), learn to work hard and play when you have time, learn that your family will get over you not coming to a big party that is just celebrating them getting one year older (okay, and your sister's anniversary, but whatever), and please! Don't pout when a bunch of strangers refuse to do all the tedious work for you.

PS: Wait until you have to write 15-19 page papers on Shakespeare, and present 20+ sources on a works cited page. Then 1 minute movies will be like cake.

PPS: Happy birthday. I hope with one more year added to your age, you will become more mature and wiser in your choices.

ChasingAmy · 02-23-2005, 05:12 PM

This should be in the Nonsense Forum, or Humor! LoL. Just because it is so funny!Cheers mate and have a good birthday!

A minute shouldn't be that hard to fill. How long have you known about said project? Maybe you can change the topic of your report to some how utilize what everyone has posted here anyways? =D

Good luck!

pattycakes · 02-23-2005, 06:29 PM

if a party is more improtant than you well then i guess you should fail. Two years ago when i was in highschool i never did any work lol. I had one project that i had to do to pass the class.

I was at a part on friday into sat, spent time with my grandparents then drove 100 miles home. Well then i spent some time playing video games. next thing i know its 12:00.

Well @ 12:00 i started to get worried and started working on it. at about 10:45 i finished my project and went to school late. i got i think a b on the project which made me pass the class. Now i had this assignment for about 2 or 3 months....haha how dumb i was.

And this was about a 7 page thing refrences, child care costs, jobs(we had to pretend we were a single parent and budget our money with no help of any kind from family, money wise or child care wise ( or friends))

cowgirl02 · 02-23-2005, 06:58 PM

Maybe you should type in gay/lesbian MARRIAGES since that is what it is suppose to be about isnt it? Dont just look for gay/lesbian or you are going to get all kinds of porn, come on it is called COMMON SENSE BUDDY!!!!!

bad jane · 02-23-2005, 07:36 PM

i don't really understand what you need help with. you already have your position on the topic so all you have to do is present it. since you are doing an opinion piece, it isn't like you have to support your stance with anything other than why you feel the way you do.

briefly explain your take on marriage and the purpose it serves in society, then go on to explain why a same-sex marriage fits in with that.

this doesn't sound difficult, but i don't see how someone else's thoughts on the topic will help you any.

Yakk · 02-23-2005, 09:00 PM

Gay marriage is a complicated issue.

First, we should look at what the founding fathers (and mother) thought of it. While Jefferson was notoriously against it, there are rumours that Washington and Franklin where quite in favour of such a more perfect union. And Secord, the founding mother of the USA, is widely bellieved to be homosexual by the lesbian community.

Gay and Lesbian marriage also played a part in the revolutionary war and it's aftermath. From the love triangle that triggered Lincoln's assasination to the relationship revieled in grant's and lee's letters, the issue of homosexual marriage is a core part of American idenity.

Going back further from there, it was the philosophical position of the great Greek thinkers that true love could only occur between equals. It was also the case that females where considered intellectually inferiour -- as such, true love in Greece, the foundation of the western intellectual and theological heritage, was restricted to be between two men.

In more modern times, homosexuality has been dangerous. Homosexuals who tried to live with each other where burned at the stake during the Salem phase of the McCarthy communism trials. Less extremely, many homosexual women wherevideo taped, and their acts broadcast in foul exploitive manners, for the gratification of the normative heterosexual male.

The issue of homosexual marriage came to a head in the Roe vs Wade case. Two people, joined as one, and one no longer wished to support the other -- a form of divorce, but considered legally distinct from normal heterosexual divorce. Roe vs Wade actually reduced one of the participants in the particular union to a non-person, simply because of the nature of the relationship!

As you can see, homosexual marriage has come a long way since the days of the Revolution. The only true way to respect our gay heritage is to allow homosexuals to marry -- anything else would be unAmerican!

That help?

edit: Just in case it isn't clear, none of the above "facts" in this post are true.

ruggerp11 · 02-24-2005, 04:38 AM

I think the only problem here is that you went about this the wrong way. If you had started a topic asking people to contribute to your report by giving their views (you could have even asked a provocative question to spur discussion). Instead you worded it wrong and ended up looking lazy.

Averett · 02-24-2005, 05:24 AM

Exactly, rugger. In this thread: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=83965, someone was asking for help. Not saying "Hey, won't you be so kind and do my work for me?" It was obvious he's already put some thought into it, and was looking for different inputs and ideas.

Undercover_Man · 02-24-2005, 11:26 AM

^^^
Excatly. I already have all the material I need for it. I was hoping to get other ppl's views about it who aren't against it so mmaybe it could clarify MY OWN views. All I know about mine are that I'm not against it and itt doesn't matter if they get married here or not. But WHY I feel that way I don't know. That's what I was hoping I could figure out by reading other ppl's views.

And I'm not lazy. Lazy would mean I don't have anything to do. I'm crammed with stuff to do til Sat. I've got too MANY things to do and I didn't have time to sit around thinking about why I feel the way I do. Looking at other ppl's views would have speeded up the process and I wouldn't have had to sit around thinking for so long wasting precious time.

Mopst ppl in here got me all wrong.

abaya · 02-24-2005, 12:17 PM

I'm straight and I'm not against gay marriage. It's a matter of civil rights over morality if you ask me, and maybe just believing in love rather than social rules.

Also, here is my rant. Lazy doesn't mean the absence of busy-ness. It means that you aren't able to prioritize on what is most necessary to get done. (Believe me, I know this because I struggle with it, too.) For you, since you care about your grade in the course, the most necessary thing would be to take time to think about your project... and that also means knowing how to make time to get the important stuff done.

From your words, you seem to be an overscheduled person who comes across as being mentally lazy about a complex topic. I don't think any of us can tell you "WHY you feel that way..." that's something you gotta figure out on your own, obviously. So make some space in your head to think about it, even if it's just when you're driving around between all the events on your schedule.

Bill O'Rights · 02-24-2005, 12:23 PM

All right...

Simply put...I'm pro gay/lesbian marriage for two primary reasons:
1. To deny any person, or group of people, basic rights and freedoms, based simply on sexual orientation, amounts to discrimination. Discrimination is simply not allowed in my perfect little world.
2. The overwhelming argument against gay/lesbian marriage is religious in nature. Since I am hard and firm in my views in support of seperation of church and state, the violation of "God's" law holds absolutely no validity with me.

william · 02-24-2005, 01:26 PM

To be honest, I don't know why this even has to be an issue. People are who they are - wtf does it matter if they're straight or gay? Our poplulation stresses over Janet showing her breast (and they had to tivo to see it)and what they can't censor over cable. PBS cancels a show with an "alternative" lifestyle. Why can't people leave others alone who are just happy to live as they are? I'm not gay, I just don't uderstand why the gay population has to be picked on so much.

NCB · 02-24-2005, 02:45 PM

I'm all for it. Just ask Charlatan

biznatch · 02-24-2005, 03:46 PM

He did get flamed pretty rough...the same way I did back in the day for posting in the Ladie's Lounge...(ouch).
In my opinion, Gay marriage has no reason to be made illegal. I mean gay couples are gonna live together anyway, what does it change if you let them celebrate their union or not?
Anyway, on the TFP you most likely won't find any opinions against gay marriage, since tolerance is a way of life here..

jaypc2 · 02-24-2005, 06:42 PM

they should be able to do whatever they want to do just like everybody else. being gay or a lesbian is not a diease its just a way of life and people need to realize that. its very sad how everybody plays it up to be so much more than just another way of looking at life, and as far as passing an amendment for it: we have more important things to worry about. ..

GetRdone · 02-24-2005, 06:45 PM

Sadly, even though we supposedly have a "seperation of church and state", the objection to gay marriage is mostly religious in background. Politicians say its immoral, but its only against the morals of particular religion, not of the world

Funnel · 02-24-2005, 10:04 PM

Well I believe that there is nothing wrong with two people who love eachother very much getting married. Just because its adam and steve not adam and eve doesn't bother me. People do all kind of stuff that is given much less attention. Only religious sects have reasoning and that reasoning comes from a book like any other book that is written. So i say we investigate the people actually harming other perfect nice folks before we worry about two nice young women or men, even old women and men getting hitched. Last thing i heard there was a war in Iraq, rampant AIDS, the governments disservice to millions of people every day, lying, cheating, killing, catholic priests molesting people, genocide, and a million other things that should be way up the list before we waste time fighting gay marriage. Should we even waste it at all. My definition of doing something morally wrong has nothing to do with the bible and i dont think people need to be taught the ten commandments or use soddom and gommorah(sp) as an example. My definition which i think makes perfect sense and I know not every will agree but that doing something morally wrong is harming somebody else, and however gay marriage falls into this equation goes way over my head. So that said there is your help but I most throw this in reading your past posts.

Could it be that you just want PRON

???

Gilda · 03-01-2005, 11:06 PM

For those who oppose same sex marriage, it often comes down to a matter of wanting to legislate a religious belief. Many feel this way becasue they cannot seperate personal religious beliefs from legal issues.

My personal opinion is that every religious organization already has the right to perform or not perform, to recognize or not recognize same sex marriages.

But that's not the issue. The issue is one of what the legal definition of marriage should be. The law confers certain privileges on married couples that are not the same for non-married partners. For example, I am not my SO's next of kin, despite being in a long-term intimate relationship with her, so I cannot make medical decisions on her behalf if she were incapacitated, and there are a dozen other things we cannot do that a married couple can.

Marriage, in the legal sense, is a contract, and nobody should be denied the legal protections afforded by the marriage contract on the basis of their sex. Obviously, I'm not unbiased in this, but I do think this is a very reasonable position.

Carno · 03-02-2005, 09:04 AM

I don't understand why everyone feels so compelled to flame this guy. If you don't want to do his work, and/or don't agree with what he's asking for, just hit the "Back" button. No need to be snide. No matter how justified you think your comments were, it's still flaming, and I thought most people on here were above that.

And back on topic:

I don't really mind gay or lesbian marriages. The joining of two people is not hurting anyone else, so why should it be illegal? I think if they want to get married, then they should go for it.

drakers · 03-02-2005, 01:13 PM

I think this thread should be closed, nothing worth saying is left to say. Everyone has told this guy to get off his lazy ass. What else is there really to say.

tecoyah · 03-04-2005, 07:13 AM

Agreed......Hopefully this was up long enough for a lesson on how "Not" to phrase a post to be learned.

02-23-2005, 10:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Undercover_Man Insane	Need views from NON-anti-gay/lesbian marriage ppl. Hello. I need other ppl's opinions about gay/lesbian marriages. All I know about the subject is that I'm not against it. It doesn't matter to me. It doesn't bother me. But that's all I know about my opinions. I don't have a reason why I'm not against it. I need your views please so I can maybe figure out MY views. Maybe your views will clarify mine. - Undercover_Man EDIT: Now why the feck didn't I say that the first GD time!!! Last edited by Undercover_Man; 02-24-2005 at 11:20 AM..

02-23-2005, 11:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Use the search function and read some of the many, MANY postings on this issue from both sides of the discussion. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-23-2005, 11:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	You don't have time to do it on your own because you have a party? Too damn bad. I can't believe people have the nerve to ask us to do their work for them. If I were doing this I could actually do it on my own and not ask an internet messasge board. But that's just me. I was taught to do my own work. And I grew up pre-Google/message board days so I didn't have the easy way out. Humph. __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

02-23-2005, 11:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	So far today you've had time to post: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...3&postcount=24 http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...09&postcount=8 http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...4&postcount=13 Yesterday you had time to post: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...0&postcount=37 http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...5&postcount=11 http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...4&postcount=21 http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...77&postcount=5 http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...8&postcount=12 http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...2&postcount=20 http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...03&postcount=8 http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...92&postcount=5 http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...78&postcount=1 Could time management be an issue? __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

02-23-2005, 11:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	You super mods... always showing off your super powers... sheesh. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-23-2005, 11:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
betula Upright Location: Buffalo, NY	One minute is NOT very long. Even if this is a high school course, you should be able to speak 1 minute on a suject with little work. In fact, in the time you typed up the thread, you probably could have found 3 web sources with the info you need. Being busy is not an excuse for acedemic dishonesty.

02-23-2005, 12:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
Undercover_Man Insane	FINE!!! Don't help me. And btw it's MY birthday party as well. Other family members b-days too. Family comes before everything else. I've got other school projects to do too. And those other posts were done on my break. I take some breaks heree and there. I wasn't asking you to do the work for me. Just some views on the subject to help me out. And the subject has nothing to do with what the actual grade will reflect. It'll reflect how well I make my movie. I thought you ppl would help a guy out. This is supposed to be a place where ppl can get help isn't it? Plus I have a funeral to go to. I'm flooded with work and I need a little help that's all. Just some info. What's wrong with asking for a little bit of information and feedback? - Undercover_Man P.S.: I don't mean to be mean I'm just disappointed in why you ppl won't help me out. I'M the one that's going to be making the whole movie. the info is likee 10% of the work.

02-23-2005, 12:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	You want help? www.google.com __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

02-23-2005, 01:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Undercover_Man Insane	You know how many porn websites I come up with when I type gay and lesbian?? I need ppl's views NOT info about sites and where the next marathon is going to be. ANYWAY I found someone who is willing to help me out. I have a family and without them I wouldn't be here and I wouldn't be getting so much support from them. You think repaying them back by not coming to their birthdays/anniv. (sisters anniv.) is a polite thing to do? I'm a family person. I put family before work. That's how it SHOULD be. I don't go looking for excuses to not be involved with my family. I guess you ppl do. I don't know. I'm not you. I guess next time I need help, I won't be so open and honest about what I'm going to do with the info. Especially if you guys are going to flame me like this. This thread makes me sad. - Undercover_Man P.S.: Thanx Charlatan for not flaming me.

02-23-2005, 01:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
hossified face f$cker Location: canada	here...I'll help you: ...I'm ummm too lazy to do my own work and my priorities are out of whack, and I don't really care about this issue, so I asked a bunch of strangers to write some crap down for me, and I'm just giong to submit that. It's my birthday, and I have a party to go to......yes it's hard to believe that I am actually older than 5, because that's how I sound, but I swear I'm older. Anyways, I hope this is good enough to give me an A so that I can be spoiled by my parents who obviously haven't instilled a good work ethic into my moral fibre, otherwise I would have done this project myself.....but who cares as long as it gets me a BMW when I turn 16........

02-23-2005, 01:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	In the amount of time it's taking you to type out excuse after excuse I think you could sit yourself down at your desk, do some thinking, and get your work done. But what do I know? Oh, and what hossified said. And you know what? You could have gotten this information very easily. If you were smart about it. If you just started a topic on the issue of gay marriage, people would have talked. But you came in here saying "I'm too 'busy' to do my own homework, so I want you to do it for me." And that's just not going to fly. __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great. Last edited by Averett; 02-23-2005 at 01:40 PM..

02-23-2005, 01:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	OKay....before this gets nasty.....I will invest my precious time (1.7 minutes) and do all the work for you....all you need to do is read: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=83691 and he wonders why he has yet to have the switch flipped __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

02-23-2005, 01:51 PM	#14 (permalink)
Giant Hamburger Gastrolithuanian Location: low-velocity Earth orbit	Whoa, look at all the high horses crammed into one small thread. Here is my opinion: In a world teetering on the brink of overpopulation how can we avoid the obvious benifits of potentially non-reproductive couplings. It is only a matter of time before outdated values evolve to fit the necessity of modern times. It's brief and not really that meaningful. Consider it my way of saying happy birthday. -GH

02-23-2005, 02:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
k9trainingbiz Upright Location: texas	Why don't you actually use your mind to think? Why do you feel about it like you do? Learn to form opinions and have an actual reason. That's what intelligent people do. You do sound about the elementary school level. Maybe they should have held you back.

02-23-2005, 03:00 PM	#19 (permalink)
la petite moi Filling the Void. Location: California	A few things to say, like everyone else: Get your priorities straight, become a thinker and a learner (not some boring person who doesn't have his own opinions), learn to work hard and play when you have time, learn that your family will get over you not coming to a big party that is just celebrating them getting one year older (okay, and your sister's anniversary, but whatever), and please! Don't pout when a bunch of strangers refuse to do all the tedious work for you. PS: Wait until you have to write 15-19 page papers on Shakespeare, and present 20+ sources on a works cited page. Then 1 minute movies will be like cake. PPS: Happy birthday. I hope with one more year added to your age, you will become more mature and wiser in your choices. Last edited by la petite moi; 02-23-2005 at 03:13 PM..

02-23-2005, 05:12 PM	#20 (permalink)
ChasingAmy Single :) FFA Location: Prince George, British Columbia	This should be in the Nonsense Forum, or Humor! LoL. Just because it is so funny!Cheers mate and have a good birthday! A minute shouldn't be that hard to fill. How long have you known about said project? Maybe you can change the topic of your report to some how utilize what everyone has posted here anyways? =D Good luck! __________________ Don't you know about the bird?

02-23-2005, 06:29 PM	#21 (permalink)
pattycakes Insane Location: bangor pa	if a party is more improtant than you well then i guess you should fail. Two years ago when i was in highschool i never did any work lol. I had one project that i had to do to pass the class. I was at a part on friday into sat, spent time with my grandparents then drove 100 miles home. Well then i spent some time playing video games. next thing i know its 12:00. Well @ 12:00 i started to get worried and started working on it. at about 10:45 i finished my project and went to school late. i got i think a b on the project which made me pass the class. Now i had this assignment for about 2 or 3 months....haha how dumb i was. And this was about a 7 page thing refrences, child care costs, jobs(we had to pretend we were a single parent and budget our money with no help of any kind from family, money wise or child care wise ( or friends))

02-23-2005, 06:58 PM	#22 (permalink)
cowgirl02 Tilted Location: Dallas, Texas	Maybe you should type in gay/lesbian MARRIAGES since that is what it is suppose to be about isnt it? Dont just look for gay/lesbian or you are going to get all kinds of porn, come on it is called COMMON SENSE BUDDY!!!!! __________________ "If you judge people, you have no time to love them"- Mother Theresa No man or woman is worth your tears, and the one who is, won't make you cry. Never frown, even when you are sad, because you never know who is falling in love with your smile. *Don't waste your time on a man/woman, who isn't willing to waste their time on you.

02-23-2005, 07:36 PM	#23 (permalink)
bad jane Insane	i don't really understand what you need help with. you already have your position on the topic so all you have to do is present it. since you are doing an opinion piece, it isn't like you have to support your stance with anything other than why you feel the way you do. briefly explain your take on marriage and the purpose it serves in society, then go on to explain why a same-sex marriage fits in with that. this doesn't sound difficult, but i don't see how someone else's thoughts on the topic will help you any.

02-23-2005, 09:00 PM	#24 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	Gay marriage is a complicated issue. First, we should look at what the founding fathers (and mother) thought of it. While Jefferson was notoriously against it, there are rumours that Washington and Franklin where quite in favour of such a more perfect union. And Secord, the founding mother of the USA, is widely bellieved to be homosexual by the lesbian community. Gay and Lesbian marriage also played a part in the revolutionary war and it's aftermath. From the love triangle that triggered Lincoln's assasination to the relationship revieled in grant's and lee's letters, the issue of homosexual marriage is a core part of American idenity. Going back further from there, it was the philosophical position of the great Greek thinkers that true love could only occur between equals. It was also the case that females where considered intellectually inferiour -- as such, true love in Greece, the foundation of the western intellectual and theological heritage, was restricted to be between two men. In more modern times, homosexuality has been dangerous. Homosexuals who tried to live with each other where burned at the stake during the Salem phase of the McCarthy communism trials. Less extremely, many homosexual women wherevideo taped, and their acts broadcast in foul exploitive manners, for the gratification of the normative heterosexual male. The issue of homosexual marriage came to a head in the Roe vs Wade case. Two people, joined as one, and one no longer wished to support the other -- a form of divorce, but considered legally distinct from normal heterosexual divorce. Roe vs Wade actually reduced one of the participants in the particular union to a non-person, simply because of the nature of the relationship! As you can see, homosexual marriage has come a long way since the days of the Revolution. The only true way to respect our gay heritage is to allow homosexuals to marry -- anything else would be unAmerican! That help? edit: Just in case it isn't clear, none of the above "facts" in this post are true. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest. Last edited by Yakk; 02-24-2005 at 07:48 AM..

02-24-2005, 04:38 AM	#25 (permalink)
ruggerp11 Cautiously soaring Location: exploring my new home in SF	I think the only problem here is that you went about this the wrong way. If you had started a topic asking people to contribute to your report by giving their views (you could have even asked a provocative question to spur discussion). Instead you worded it wrong and ended up looking lazy. __________________ Patriotism means being loyal to your country all the time and to its government when it deserves it. --Mark Twain Do What makes you happy --Me BUT! "Happiness is the absence of the striving for happiness" - Chuang-Tzu

02-24-2005, 05:24 AM	#26 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	Exactly, rugger. In this thread: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=83965, someone was asking for help. Not saying "Hey, won't you be so kind and do my work for me?" It was obvious he's already put some thought into it, and was looking for different inputs and ideas. __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

02-24-2005, 11:26 AM	#27 (permalink)
Undercover_Man Insane	^^^ Excatly. I already have all the material I need for it. I was hoping to get other ppl's views about it who aren't against it so mmaybe it could clarify MY OWN views. All I know about mine are that I'm not against it and itt doesn't matter if they get married here or not. But WHY I feel that way I don't know. That's what I was hoping I could figure out by reading other ppl's views. And I'm not lazy. Lazy would mean I don't have anything to do. I'm crammed with stuff to do til Sat. I've got too MANY things to do and I didn't have time to sit around thinking about why I feel the way I do. Looking at other ppl's views would have speeded up the process and I wouldn't have had to sit around thinking for so long wasting precious time. Mopst ppl in here got me all wrong.

02-24-2005, 12:17 PM	#28 (permalink)
abaya Location: Iceland	I'm straight and I'm not against gay marriage. It's a matter of civil rights over morality if you ask me, and maybe just believing in love rather than social rules. Also, here is my rant. Lazy doesn't mean the absence of busy-ness. It means that you aren't able to prioritize on what is most necessary to get done. (Believe me, I know this because I struggle with it, too.) For you, since you care about your grade in the course, the most necessary thing would be to take time to think about your project... and that also means knowing how to make time to get the important stuff done. From your words, you seem to be an overscheduled person who comes across as being mentally lazy about a complex topic. I don't think any of us can tell you "WHY you feel that way..." that's something you gotta figure out on your own, obviously. So make some space in your head to think about it, even if it's just when you're driving around between all the events on your schedule.

02-24-2005, 12:23 PM	#29 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	All right... Simply put...I'm pro gay/lesbian marriage for two primary reasons: 1. To deny any person, or group of people, basic rights and freedoms, based simply on sexual orientation, amounts to discrimination. Discrimination is simply not allowed in my perfect little world. 2. The overwhelming argument against gay/lesbian marriage is religious in nature. Since I am hard and firm in my views in support of seperation of church and state, the violation of "God's" law holds absolutely no validity with me. __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

02-24-2005, 01:26 PM	#30 (permalink)
william Psycho	To be honest, I don't know why this even has to be an issue. People are who they are - wtf does it matter if they're straight or gay? Our poplulation stresses over Janet showing her breast (and they had to tivo to see it)and what they can't censor over cable. PBS cancels a show with an "alternative" lifestyle. Why can't people leave others alone who are just happy to live as they are? I'm not gay, I just don't uderstand why the gay population has to be picked on so much.

02-24-2005, 03:46 PM	#32 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	He did get flamed pretty rough...the same way I did back in the day for posting in the Ladie's Lounge...(ouch). In my opinion, Gay marriage has no reason to be made illegal. I mean gay couples are gonna live together anyway, what does it change if you let them celebrate their union or not? Anyway, on the TFP you most likely won't find any opinions against gay marriage, since tolerance is a way of life here.. __________________ Check it out: The Open Source/Freeware/Gratis Software Thread

02-24-2005, 06:42 PM	#33 (permalink)
jaypc2 Tilted Location: south east	they should be able to do whatever they want to do just like everybody else. being gay or a lesbian is not a diease its just a way of life and people need to realize that. its very sad how everybody plays it up to be so much more than just another way of looking at life, and as far as passing an amendment for it: we have more important things to worry about. .. __________________ Zero Cool stay sexy

02-24-2005, 06:45 PM	#34 (permalink)
GetRdone Psycho	Sadly, even though we supposedly have a "seperation of church and state", the objection to gay marriage is mostly religious in background. Politicians say its immoral, but its only against the morals of particular religion, not of the world __________________ Revere Jena Malone.......this is not a suggestion.

02-24-2005, 10:04 PM	#35 (permalink)
Funnel Upright	Well I believe that there is nothing wrong with two people who love eachother very much getting married. Just because its adam and steve not adam and eve doesn't bother me. People do all kind of stuff that is given much less attention. Only religious sects have reasoning and that reasoning comes from a book like any other book that is written. So i say we investigate the people actually harming other perfect nice folks before we worry about two nice young women or men, even old women and men getting hitched. Last thing i heard there was a war in Iraq, rampant AIDS, the governments disservice to millions of people every day, lying, cheating, killing, catholic priests molesting people, genocide, and a million other things that should be way up the list before we waste time fighting gay marriage. Should we even waste it at all. My definition of doing something morally wrong has nothing to do with the bible and i dont think people need to be taught the ten commandments or use soddom and gommorah(sp) as an example. My definition which i think makes perfect sense and I know not every will agree but that doing something morally wrong is harming somebody else, and however gay marriage falls into this equation goes way over my head. So that said there is your help but I most throw this in reading your past posts. Could it be that you just want PRON ???

03-01-2005, 11:06 PM	#36 (permalink)
Gilda 32 flavors and then some Location: Out on a wire.	For those who oppose same sex marriage, it often comes down to a matter of wanting to legislate a religious belief. Many feel this way becasue they cannot seperate personal religious beliefs from legal issues. My personal opinion is that every religious organization already has the right to perform or not perform, to recognize or not recognize same sex marriages. But that's not the issue. The issue is one of what the legal definition of marriage should be. The law confers certain privileges on married couples that are not the same for non-married partners. For example, I am not my SO's next of kin, despite being in a long-term intimate relationship with her, so I cannot make medical decisions on her behalf if she were incapacitated, and there are a dozen other things we cannot do that a married couple can. Marriage, in the legal sense, is a contract, and nobody should be denied the legal protections afforded by the marriage contract on the basis of their sex. Obviously, I'm not unbiased in this, but I do think this is a very reasonable position.

03-02-2005, 09:04 AM	#37 (permalink)
Carno Junkie	I don't understand why everyone feels so compelled to flame this guy. If you don't want to do his work, and/or don't agree with what he's asking for, just hit the "Back" button. No need to be snide. No matter how justified you think your comments were, it's still flaming, and I thought most people on here were above that. And back on topic: I don't really mind gay or lesbian marriages. The joining of two people is not hurting anyone else, so why should it be illegal? I think if they want to get married, then they should go for it. Last edited by Carn; 03-02-2005 at 09:07 AM..

03-02-2005, 01:13 PM	#38 (permalink)
drakers Psycho Location: IOWA	I think this thread should be closed, nothing worth saying is left to say. Everyone has told this guy to get off his lazy ass. What else is there really to say. __________________ Friends don't shake hands, friends 'gotta HUG!

03-04-2005, 07:13 AM	#39 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	Agreed......Hopefully this was up long enough for a lesson on how "Not" to phrase a post to be learned. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha