Sleepyjack

Last week i was shamefully watching an installment of Average Joe (hadn't really seen it before) and the hot girl dressed up as an ugly girl, claiming to be her cousin or something, in order to see how superficial the guys were (i know this is probably aired a long time ago in the US, we're just getting the 2nd installment now..this doesn't matter though).

After the guys met the girl (in a fatsuit), they were secretly taped talking about her. One of the guys bought up the concept of a DUFF which stands for designated ugly fat friend (i think?), and he claimed that once in with the DUFF, you get in with the girl.

Although, myself, i think this is pretty fucking stupid. Although, you have to appreciate the very concept he bought up, after he was evicted (cause of this); in that, when guys are just talking amongst themselves, there is a degree of freedom and deviancy in their speech which is probably, somehow, related to some kind of competition (whose the most deviant, maybe?) or just general group mentality in that you don't act normal when in a group of guys like that (probably more likely in younger guys though, immaturity and all!)

What bought this topic back up in my mind was that i was discussing variations on the Houdini with some guys, at a party last night. Basically, i tihnk it was just a shock value thing for a laugh, really...i think i am loosing my train of thought, i've stewed on this too long...

Comments or anything on this topic?
Girls' Talk?

motdakasha

A lot of the guys I know who do "guy talk" stuff do it when they feel there are certain things they can't talk about in front of a "lady." Typical reasons for this are: a) what they want to say is not PC, b) they want to talk about topic that a girl might consider "gross," or c) they want to talk about the "lady."

Personally, I think this is really fucking lame. One time, this guy (relatively new in our social circle) made reference to a story he told "the guys" earlier in the day, but I missed it. I wanted to hear the anecdote and he said he couldn't tell me because I was a girl. Because I was pissed off about him using my femaleness as an excuse not to tell me a story, I didn't leave him alone until he told me the story. When he finally told me the story, it turned out to be really super lame and cliché after all the buildup. I should note that no other guy in the group would have had any issues with telling me the story.

Anyways, the number one reason I really dislike the exclusion of most women from the "guys'" group is because this is where you get to see what their humor is really like. If their humor isn't what you find funny in the least bit, then at least you know where you stand and you can find new friends if you don't like it. For instance, a group of people I know think it's really funny to crack jokes using terms like "nigger," "sandnigger," etc. Not my kind of humor or mentality, so I moved on.

And guys, girl talk is the best way to learn about girls and their friends. Sure, they may talk about things you don't want to hear about like tampons, pads, and cramps which may turn out to be extremely educational for those who didn't take sex ed. in elementary school, or if you have any questions about the female anatomy that would be the perfect time to ask. However, they talk about other things that might turn out to be jewels of knowledge like who uses birth control and what kind, what kind of guys they like, who they like, what kind of gifts they find romantic or impressive, what they don't like, etc.

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stevie667

well, i can say that most of the talking that goes on between me and my mates happens something like this:

'hey dude'
'hey my snownigger'
'pass the beer/doob'
'tv'
'mm'
'score'
'yeh'
'more beer'

and so on and so forth...

generally 'guy talk' is simply guys saying all kinds of completly random ass shit that generally rips the piss out of everyone and everything.

Skettios

There is a reason guys don't share guytalk with girls, and I feel that motdakasha's post proves my point.

Girls overthink everything.

Guys will have conversation about something like the Houdini that Sleepyjack mentioned. We'll all laugh, knowing perfectly well, that none of us will ever do that to a woman in our entire lives. Yet a woman listening in on that conversation would be not only totally offended, but secretly wondering if one of us really did it, and what kind of person that guy could possibly be, and even what kind of person the rest of us were for even talking to him.

my proof

I mean naturally our humor isn't going to be funny to you. Men and women are very different in this way. Yet you hearing something out of proper context, and then making a judgement call about the people there, is (although understandable) wrong.

If I'm wrong, and I don't think I am, then I would love to hear about it.

Back to the part about the girl in the fat suit. Is there some kind of unwritten rule that says fat women need to have their egos stroked, and that people need to be nice to them? I mean, I'm a big guy, and I don't ever try to solicit compliments from the opposite sex about my appearance.

I think it's okay to be mean to a fat girl. If she's got a nice personality, you'll feel bad anyway, and she'll get some respect.

However on the other hand, if you're nice to a girl, just because she's hot... you're just an (af) chump.

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1337haxor

I don't have a problem at all saying things in front of girls. Then again, I don't talk like most people I know so that could be it. If I am going to say something not PC, I won't stop because girls are around. Better to let them see the real me then some cleaned up shell on the outside.

to motdakasha: I agree that listening to girls is a good way to learn and vice versa. I get to see whats going on in their heads and better understand their thinking and ways (if its possible ) I've even taught them a thing or two about their own anatomy (I am a science freak so I know more about anatomy then most people I know )

-Robert

fuzyfuzer

i had a girlfriend that broke up with me because she thought that i was just putting on a show all the time when i was around here so she would just show up my house or at my friends where i was trying to catch me being not PC she finally broke up with me and she told me it was because i was too secrative

i always told her what i told everyone else but she still felt i was holding back she must have been around a lot of people like that to just asume that i was like that too it made me kind of sad that she was kind of screwed up from my opinion
just an aimless rant i guess

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motdakasha

Houdinis and Dirty Sanchez/Santas are a completely different level of humor from making jokes like "Hey, let's go shoot some 'cans. You know, Mexicans.. Puerto Ricans... Dominicans... Etc." And for the record, it was not out of context as I hung out with them for about two years before I moved on. And to be honest, two years was more than enough to know that I didn't find them funny. After knowing them for well over two years, it was quite apparent that while they were passing off these jokes as light-hearted humor, they were on some level serious. Actions speak louder than words.

Amen.

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Seaver

1) Women are just as bad to people as men are, women also talk about them afterwards. Dont act that women dont play catty, they do it exactly like men.

No its not competition. Being a man (contrary to popular belief) is difficult. We have to be strong but sensitive. W have to be rich. We have to be an ass to get the girl, yet we have to be a nice guy so that she wont ditch us after the 3rd date. We have to be complete opposite things at the same time, yet because we also have to be stoic we're not allowed to complain. Oh.. and we cant say sexist things about women or we're a mysogonist (sp?)... but it's ok for women to talk about men...

What "guy talk" is simply us blowing smoke. Around guys we're finally able to relax and say the shit that goes through everyones head yet to avoid being labeled we hold it in.

No, we dont expect you to find guy talk amusing. Thats why "guy talk" is around guys. We dont enjoy hearing women talk about their roommate and their fights, and we dont enjoy hearing women talk about other peoples clothing (especially on how ugly the cloths are). Yes I've learned a whole lot on hearing girl-talk, but I can only take so much of it before I cant stand it anymore.

Guys and girls are different, just like we like action flicks and yall like chick flicks... just accept them and love each other for them.

guthmund

I also find that "guy humor" is incredibly sophomoric.

When it comes to humor, guys (I know, I know there are tons of guys who aren't) are searching for the lowest common denominator. We laugh at shit stories, fart jokes, sexist remarks, and we love to tell "stories" about women. We know that 3/4 of what we say is complete and total bullshit.

That being said, when women want to know what the "boys" talk about, we (men) know that you guys won't think it's funny. In turn, if we do tell you, you get that disgusted look and start spouting off things like misogyny, passive-aggressive and alpha-male.

Which leads me, mercifully, to my last comment. I feel it's rather persumptuous to assume that this is all men talk about. It's not. I feel we should also be reminded that women don't always talk about things that are beneficial for the forward advancement of mankind. Unless you consider "God, his Mom drives me crazy" and "that bitch at work" stories necessary for the forward march of civilization.

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analog

HAHAAAA! YOU SAID FART JOKES!!

But seriously.

Guys dig on girls for being catty and overly critical of things we say and do, and girls dig on guys for being crude, tasteless, etc. Just live and let live, man. Come on.

Skettios

I cede your point. Racism is stupid and ignorant, and unfortunately often a part of guy talk.

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MSD

I talk the same around everyone. No need to give people bullshit because they aren't guys. I don't use derogatory language in front of anyone, even if my friends do it in a non-serious way.

ratbastid

I really only have one guy that I do guy talk with, and it tends to be littered with urban African-Americanisms, and the main point of it is about sending up our own white middle-class WASPishness.

I don't know, there's just something funny about one late-20-something white guy saying, "Yo, peep dis!" to another late-20-something white guy. I can't exactly decide whether it's racist or not. I don't think so.

stevie667

theres also another apsect to guy talk 99% is complete and utter shit, whether made up shit, or random ass complete shit, most is shit.

and in that sentance was a prime example of a typical guy talk sentance

stevie667

to be honest, i think the moment someone calls it racist, it's racist, before then it's just a bit of fun. racism is mostly in the eye of the fanatic these days, everyone else just has a good giggle.

sigma1042

there are huge differences btw what men and women find humorous (thats why many men find female comics to be awful, many do pretty much the same overbearing mother, can't find a good boyfriend, i have a vagina type act or just some good male bashing)
it is one of the many things that make men and women different
almost every man recognizes that we are very different and does not want to be included in "woman talk" and things that are directed towards women, but more women think that being involved in men's activities, including "guy talk", makes them more "equal"

it does not come down to whether what somebody finds funny is "right or wrong", it comes down to the fact men and women and people in general are all different, (and those differences can be funny)
if you don't like it, ignore it, they have the right to entertain how they please, just because i don't like female comics doesn't mean i'm gonna protest them, i'm just not gonna watch the ones i don't like

i don't like fart or dump jokes, not because i find it offensive, i just don't think fart sounds are funny
pure racism and hate speech is not funny, but stereotypes can be funny, if done correctly, they have been for years and will continue to be, until stupid, oversensitive people ruin it by claiming they know whats best for everybody because it may hurt somebody's feelings
the can's joke is not funny by itself because its too simple and has been played out,
comedy is about timing, delivery and the unexpected

some of the best comedy pushes the envelope and comedy as a whole may soon enter a dark period because of the far right and far left political climate (i don't want this to become a political debate, both sides are wrong and ignore the middle)

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Charlatan

I have two friends and we have our "guy talk"... it usually involves obscure quotes from films... making fun of one of the three of us... plenty of self-deprecating humour...

We don't make fun of other races... I can't think of when the word nigger or any equivalent ever passed our lips, except to make fun of an ignorant racist who speaks that way... Now that's funny.

As for how we speak about women... it's a lot of dirty sanchez, pearl necklaces, etc... It's way more 6th grade humour than anything else...

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bermuDa

i think the reason some guys have their "no girls allowed" mentality is because on some level they know how stupid what they say is, and don't want the womenfolk to realize that... yet.

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Prince

I've to agree with Skettios. Chicks analyze everything to death and read too much into things, not to mention that they easily misinterpret something because of gender differences.

For example, "you've got great tits" does not seem to fly over well with my wife, even though as far as I am concerned that is one of the greatest compliments I could pay her. She doesn't want to hear that, though, so I keep away from it. I could always say "breasts" instead of "tits", but then, to me, the compliment just wouldn't be the same, because tits aren't the same as breasts. To me, breasts are what mothers have. Tits are what objects of desire have.

A girl would never get it.

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stevie667

i second that motion.

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