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Bobaphat · 02-25-2004, 11:36 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...h_oralsex_dc_1

As if I don't get enough already as it is...

SM70 EDIT: Article is below so you don't have to click the link

World's King · 02-25-2004, 11:55 PM

Oh shit.

I'm going to the doctor tomorrow.

jcookc6 · 02-26-2004, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Oral sex linked to mouth cancer

19:00 25 February 04

Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.

Oral sex can lead to oral tumours. That is the conclusion of researchers who have proved what has long been suspected, that the human papilloma virus can cause oral cancers.

The risk, thankfully, is tiny. Only around 1 in 10,000 people develop oral tumours each year, and most cases are probably caused by two other popular recreational pursuits: smoking and drinking. The researchers are not recommending any changes in behaviour.

The human papilloma virus (HPV), an extremely common sexually transmitted infection, has long been known to cause cervical cancers. Several small studies have suggested it also plays a role in other cancers, including oral and anal cancers.

"There has been tremendous interest for years on whether it has a role in other cancers. Many people were sceptical," says Raphael Viscidi, a virologist at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland, a member of the team that did the latest work.

The researchers, working for the International Agency for Research on Cancer in Lyon, France, compared 1670 patients who had oral cancer with 1732 healthy volunteers. The participants lived in Europe, Canada, Australia, Cuba and Sudan. HPV16, the strain seen most commonly in cervical cancer, was found in most of the oral cancers too.

Antibodies against HPV

The people with oral cancers containing the HPV16 strain were three times as likely to report having had oral sex as those whose tumour did not contain HPV16. There was no difference between men and women in terms of how likely the virus was to be present in the cancers. The researchers think both cunnilingus and fellatio can infect people's mouths.

Patients with mouth cancer were also three times as likely to have antibodies against HPV as the healthy controls. For cancers of the back of the mouth, the link was even stronger.

The results prove the connection between HPV and oral cancer beyond any reasonable doubt, Viscidi says. "This is a major study in terms of its size," he says. "I think this will convince people."

Cancer specialist Newell Johnson of King's College London agrees. "We have known for some time that there is a small but significant group of people with oral cancer whose disease cannot be blamed on decades of smoking and drinking, because they're too young," he says.

"In this group there must be another factor, and HPV and oral sex seems to be one likely explanation. This study provides the strongest evidence yet that this is the case."

Cancer-causing strains

Genital HPV infections are common. At any one time, around a third of 25-year-old women in the US are infected. It is thought that only 10 per cent of infections involve cancer-causing strains, and that 95 per cent of women will get rid of the infection within a year. But even this does not explain why so few develop cancer.

The latest findings could improve treatments of oral cancers. Many scientists think that HPV infection must persist for tumours to grow, so giving antiviral drugs to people with oral cancers caused by the virus could improve their chances of recovery.

Prevention could soon be a possibility as well. Several research groups are developing vaccines against HPV, intended to reduce the 250,000 deaths worldwide each year due to cervical cancer. It is thought the vaccines would prevent oral infections as well as genital infections.

Journal reference: Journal of the National Cancer Institute (vol 95, p 1772)

Michael Day
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994712

Anything that tastes good, is fun is bad for you. Sorry folks

Doos · 02-26-2004, 02:57 AM

That is a serious bummer.

iamnormal · 02-26-2004, 03:36 AM

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/condoms.htm

"A number of studies, however, do show an association between condom use and a reduced risk of HPV-associated diseases, including genital warts, cervical dysplasia and cervical cancer. The reason for lower rates of cervical cancer among condom users observed in some studies is unknown. HPV infection is believed to be required, but not by itself sufficient, for cervical cancer to occur. Co-infections with other STDs may be a factor in increasing the likelihood that HPV infection will lead to cervical cancer. More research is needed to assess the degree of protection latex condoms provide for both HPV infection and HPV-associated disease, such as cervical cancer.
"

aphex140 · 02-26-2004, 04:17 AM

I smoke so This is another risk associated with pleasure and whilst I enjoy it I will not worry

wannabenakid247 · 02-26-2004, 05:10 AM

That is definately not good especially if you drink and smoke as well.

sillygirl · 02-26-2004, 05:39 AM

<~~~ all I can say.

Quote:

The researchers are not recommending any changes in behaviour.

Were these 'researchers'........ men by chance?

Bill O'Rights · 02-26-2004, 06:10 AM

sillygirl, if that is the funniest thing that I hear for the rest of the day...I'll be happy.

Blackthorn · 02-26-2004, 11:41 AM

If we must conceal it why are we posting about it here?

sillygirl -- of course it the researchers were men. They likely had just had their brains sucked out through their willies.

HYEHORSE · 02-27-2004, 01:23 PM

what a buzz kill. is there anything out there that doesn't cause cancer?

MSD · 02-27-2004, 08:58 PM

Oh well, we're all going to get cancer anyway, why not get it while doing something you enjoy.

"What happened to you?"
"Smoked too much, got lung cancer. You?"
"Ate too much pussy, got mouth cancer"

I think we know who got the better end of the deal.

Beltruckus · 02-27-2004, 09:11 PM

wow and there is a chance i'm gonna get hit by a car who gives a fuck don't be so worried. I would worry more about second hand smoke or a gun being fired at me.

Church · 02-27-2004, 10:23 PM

I've come to the conclusion that scientists cause cancer.

imperfect_anya · 02-28-2004, 12:54 AM

hmmm... many people, as i have, will be sad to hear of these new findings, but the behavior must continue!

Arsenic7 · 02-28-2004, 09:05 AM

Guys guys guys...no need for alarm. All this is saying is that if you have oral sex, you are more likely to get an STD of the mouth and therefor your risk of cancer goes up (disease is correlated to cancer risk.) HPV is a very common and often undiagnosed STD that comes in many forms. Supposedly 1/4th of adults have it.

doncalypso · 02-28-2004, 02:20 PM

What I'm worried about is that women will use this article as an excuse not to give men oral sex anymore...

This sucks.

Jam · 02-28-2004, 08:37 PM

who gives a shit everything causes cancer...

Ustwo · 02-28-2004, 09:54 PM

As someone who is an expert in oral diseases by training I have to say this isn't a big deal.

Tabacco is by FAR the leading cause of oral cancer. While the article doesn't mention the frequency of oral cancer related to oral sex, I'd be more worried about getting killed by a shark armed with lasers. Also a lot of important info wasn't put in the story, such as how the controls were set up. If anyone has a link to the copy of the paper I'd like to read it.

AlCap0wn · 03-01-2004, 02:29 PM

Anyone with a little reading comprehension should be able to smell the bullshit from that article a mile off.

STDs can cause tumours.
STDs are normally located in the groin.
Therefore, don't blow or eat someone with an STD.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I wasn't doing that in the first place. Fucking spindoctor journalists. (Sorry, I'm a little sour.)

RoboBlaster · 03-01-2004, 04:16 PM

Yeah, sensationalism will never die as long as it sells papers. The media has no problems distorting research to make a profit. Besides, the risk is small anyway, there is no need to worry as long as you are careful.

zfleebin · 03-01-2004, 04:29 PM

Just in case anyone is actually believing this you might want to know.
"Oral sex can lead to oral tumours" <- This statement cannot be made as a conclusion of this research because correlations do not imply causation.
"That is the conclusion of researchers who have proved what has long been suspected, that the human papilloma virus can cause oral cancers" <- This is another example of a statement that cannot be made as a conclusion of the research due to the lack of internal validity associated with this research. The best part to this statement is that the scientists proved something. If I am not mistaken in all the years of science scientists have never 'proved' a hypothesis.
"The researchers think both cunnilingus and fellatio can infect people's mouths" <- these researchers have a good thing going for them because they are obviously getting some good money to make unfounded statements. I feel bad for whoever gave these researchers a grant.

FleaCircus · 03-01-2004, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HYEHORSE
what a buzz kill. is there anything out there that doesn't cause cancer?

Suicide.

RoboBlaster · 03-01-2004, 07:30 PM

Thanks, zfleebin, for typing out everything that I was too lazy to type. The misrepresestation of science scares me a lot.

gilada · 03-02-2004, 09:00 AM

God DAMN IT. I just start getting my wife to enjoy giving oral... and then this shit.

No WAY I'm telling her about it.

dabossy2k · 03-02-2004, 09:06 AM

Damn this sucks one more thing that I can't enjoy because it might cause cancer. Damn that sucks!!!!!

rsl12 · 03-02-2004, 02:33 PM

on the plus side, oral cancer is generally very treatable!!! they just take out a big chunk out of your mouth and then you talk like billyjoebob for the rest of your life.

crony · 03-03-2004, 06:40 PM

Christ... next thing you know you'll hear that jerking off causes cancer. Life expectancy for males wouldn't go to much further than puberty

02-25-2004, 11:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bobaphat whoopity doo Location: Seattle	We must conceal and subvert this information at all costs!!! http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...h_oralsex_dc_1 As if I don't get enough already as it is... SM70 EDIT: Article is below so you don't have to click the link __________________ --size matters not-- yoda Last edited by SecretMethod70; 02-26-2004 at 12:37 AM..

02-25-2004, 11:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	Oh shit. I'm going to the doctor tomorrow. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

02-26-2004, 02:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
Doos Crazy Location: South Africa	That is a serious bummer. __________________ Don't be alarmed, I'm an African. Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good.

02-26-2004, 04:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
aphex140 Psycho Location: northamptonshire	I smoke so This is another risk associated with pleasure and whilst I enjoy it I will not worry __________________ Computers allow us to make more mistakes at a faster rate than any other man-made thing, with the exception of handguns and tequila. [/QUOTE=BAMF]Do they role a die, with a 1/3 chance of being flacid?[/QUOTE]

02-26-2004, 06:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	sillygirl, if that is the funniest thing that I hear for the rest of the day...I'll be happy. __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

02-26-2004, 03:36 AM	#5 (permalink)
iamnormal Addict Location: In the id	http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/condoms.htm "A number of studies, however, do show an association between condom use and a reduced risk of HPV-associated diseases, including genital warts, cervical dysplasia and cervical cancer. The reason for lower rates of cervical cancer among condom users observed in some studies is unknown. HPV infection is believed to be required, but not by itself sufficient, for cervical cancer to occur. Co-infections with other STDs may be a factor in increasing the likelihood that HPV infection will lead to cervical cancer. More research is needed to assess the degree of protection latex condoms provide for both HPV infection and HPV-associated disease, such as cervical cancer. "

02-26-2004, 05:10 AM	#7 (permalink)
wannabenakid247 Registered User Location: Wales, UK	That is definately not good especially if you drink and smoke as well.

02-26-2004, 11:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
Blackthorn Beware the Mad Irish Location: Wish I was on the N17...	If we must conceal it why are we posting about it here? sillygirl -- of course it the researchers were men. They likely had just had their brains sucked out through their willies. __________________ What are you willing to give up in order to get what you want?

02-27-2004, 01:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
HYEHORSE Upright	what a buzz kill. is there anything out there that doesn't cause cancer?

02-27-2004, 08:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	Oh well, we're all going to get cancer anyway, why not get it while doing something you enjoy. "What happened to you?" "Smoked too much, got lung cancer. You?" "Ate too much pussy, got mouth cancer" I think we know who got the better end of the deal.

02-27-2004, 09:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
Beltruckus Psycho Location: Salt Lake City	wow and there is a chance i'm gonna get hit by a car who gives a fuck don't be so worried. I would worry more about second hand smoke or a gun being fired at me. __________________ The most important things are the hardest things to say. They are the things you get ashamed of because words diminish your feelings. Words shrink things that seem timeless when they are in your head to no more than living size when they are brought out. -Stephen King

02-27-2004, 10:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
Church Tilted F*ckhead Location: New Jersey	I've come to the conclusion that scientists cause cancer. __________________ Through counter-intelligence, it should be possible to pinpoint potential trouble makers, and neutralize them.

02-28-2004, 12:54 AM	#15 (permalink)
imperfect_anya Upright Location: nowherespecial, ca	hmmm... many people, as i have, will be sad to hear of these new findings, but the behavior must continue! __________________ Do you want me to tell you the truth or do you want me to tell you what you want to hear?

02-28-2004, 09:05 AM	#16 (permalink)
Arsenic7 Insane Location: Corvallis, OR.	Guys guys guys...no need for alarm. All this is saying is that if you have oral sex, you are more likely to get an STD of the mouth and therefor your risk of cancer goes up (disease is correlated to cancer risk.) HPV is a very common and often undiagnosed STD that comes in many forms. Supposedly 1/4th of adults have it. __________________ This is no sig.

02-28-2004, 02:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
doncalypso TFP Mad Scientist Location: Philadelphia, PA	What I'm worried about is that women will use this article as an excuse not to give men oral sex anymore... This sucks. __________________ Doncalypso... the one and only Haitian Sensation

02-28-2004, 08:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
Jam Junkie	who gives a shit everything causes cancer...

02-28-2004, 09:54 PM	#19 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	As someone who is an expert in oral diseases by training I have to say this isn't a big deal. Tabacco is by FAR the leading cause of oral cancer. While the article doesn't mention the frequency of oral cancer related to oral sex, I'd be more worried about getting killed by a shark armed with lasers. Also a lot of important info wasn't put in the story, such as how the controls were set up. If anyone has a link to the copy of the paper I'd like to read it. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

03-01-2004, 04:16 PM	#21 (permalink)
RoboBlaster Psycho Location: Ouuuterrrr Spaaaaacccceeee	Yeah, sensationalism will never die as long as it sells papers. The media has no problems distorting research to make a profit. Besides, the risk is small anyway, there is no need to worry as long as you are careful.

03-01-2004, 04:29 PM	#22 (permalink)
zfleebin Addict	Just in case anyone is actually believing this you might want to know. "Oral sex can lead to oral tumours" <- This statement cannot be made as a conclusion of this research because correlations do not imply causation. "That is the conclusion of researchers who have proved what has long been suspected, that the human papilloma virus can cause oral cancers" <- This is another example of a statement that cannot be made as a conclusion of the research due to the lack of internal validity associated with this research. The best part to this statement is that the scientists proved something. If I am not mistaken in all the years of science scientists have never 'proved' a hypothesis. "The researchers think both cunnilingus and fellatio can infect people's mouths" <- these researchers have a good thing going for them because they are obviously getting some good money to make unfounded statements. I feel bad for whoever gave these researchers a grant.

03-01-2004, 07:30 PM	#24 (permalink)
RoboBlaster Psycho Location: Ouuuterrrr Spaaaaacccceeee	Thanks, zfleebin, for typing out everything that I was too lazy to type. The misrepresestation of science scares me a lot.

03-02-2004, 09:00 AM	#25 (permalink)
gilada Psycho Location: Dallas, Tx	God DAMN IT. I just start getting my wife to enjoy giving oral... and then this shit. No WAY I'm telling her about it. __________________ Hey, this isn't rocket surgery. See my futurephone pics at: http://gilada.textamerica.com See my DVD's at: http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mycollection.asp?alias=gilada

03-02-2004, 09:06 AM	#26 (permalink)
dabossy2k Insane Location: Cali	Damn this sucks one more thing that I can't enjoy because it might cause cancer. Damn that sucks!!!!! __________________ Recovering nice guy

03-02-2004, 02:33 PM	#27 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	on the plus side, oral cancer is generally very treatable!!! they just take out a big chunk out of your mouth and then you talk like billyjoebob for the rest of your life. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

03-03-2004, 06:40 PM	#28 (permalink)
crony Crazy Location: Clifton Park, NY	Christ... next thing you know you'll hear that jerking off causes cancer. Life expectancy for males wouldn't go to much further than puberty