Karen Owen's Fuck List - Duke University Student's mock thesis on Jocks she bedded
 

Karen Owen’s now infamous PowerPoint “thesis” detailing the thirteen men she had relations with while an undergraduate student at Duke University has quickly become a social media cautionary tale.

Though Owen wrote her 42-page dossier, titled “An education beyond the classroom: excelling in the realm of horizontal academics” reportedly for a few select friends, nothing juicy stays a secret for long in today’s Web world — especially when said item is easily forward-able. After circulating amongst the Duke student body, the mock thesis went viral after it was published by several websites, including the Gawker-owned Jezebel and Deadspin.

A crudely nicknamed takeoff list has even hit the mainstream, with established newspapers writing up reports and the Today show sending out a correspondent to Duke’s Durham, North Carolina campus. (In the below clip, Today reporter Jeff Rossen hilariously points out “People gossip with their friends all the time about sex… I’ve been told.” Now there are even reports of book offers going out to Owen. Can a TV show be far behind?


Karen Owen's Duke Powerpoint: Horizontal Academics Goes Viral - Speakeasy - WSJ

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Oh, and here's the list.....

http://deadspin.com/5652280/the-full...yline=true&s=i



13 guys in 4 years is no big deal, but so much for discretion. I only hope she got a release (ahem) in writing from each of these guys she is writing about.

Her parents must be proud. Stay classy, Duke.

I don't really care about what she did. But if I was her, I wouldn't want to visit daddy on Thanksgiving break.

So, her diary became public knowledge. At least we all know what a large percentage of women really think about sex.

That isn't the list. It is censored.

Let's hope her "Fuck List" is the only thing that went viral.....

http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/587...Owen-Fuck-List

On a more practical note, this reminds me of the Ohio State study of high school sex partners.
Researchers Map The Sexual Network Of An Entire High School

I wonder how many of the guys current relationships are going through problems because this ex made some not-to-flattering info public...

I wonder how I would rate on her fuck list?

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After reading through that, I think a good study would be how males get educated on how to pick up women. I mean, from age 12-14 they know nothing, to here were age 18-22 guys who were not shy about it and were successful.

So, what happens in those 4-8 years? Is it natural, did they learn it from older brothers/friends, did they just try the same moves on 50 girls and got lucky with one?

Are you kidding me? I'd make a T-shirt that read, "I made Karen Owen's 'Fuck List'."

it proves that Duke sucks.

QFFT

Also, BAD asu2003, don't link to that horrible FBI watched torrent site. Bad news.

What? Tha? Fuck?

Duke doesn't suck. They are awesome!

That and this chick is a douchebagguette!

That torrent doesn't 'exist' anymore... At least the page doesn't.

But, I doubt the FBI is going to waste their time protecting Karen Owen's secrets. Although, TPB has pulled the description and you can't search for it, all the media sites have censored it, and she tried to eliminate herself digitally from the internet. http://blogs.forbes.com/kashmirhill/...nneltopstories Not a bad wipe job, but it is out there and they should accept it and go from there.*


And I think rule 180 applies. For every life the Internet improves, 10 are destroyed. Some of those guys got a great recommendation, others got exposed as inadequate. Or rule 20, take nothing seriously(she had sex, wow, she went into detail about it and lots of people found out, interesting just because it is usually guys who kiss n' tell or make movies)

I wonder what the guys would say about her?

*And while I don't think she should become religious, this is an area where the church should say, had she not slept around, she wouldn't be having this problem. And then use reasoning and psychology to help teens improve relationships and create long-term, stable, and happy couples who know that they aren't number 14.

The problem is not that she had a healthy, active sex life, it is that her private notes about it were made public!

Please don't demonize healthy sexuality. Young people are perfectly capable of creating long-term stable and happy relationships, whether they are number 4, 14, or 40. Why instill fear in young people about healthy sexuality? It is perfectly okay to have an active sex life, as long as you have safe sex and are honest with your partners about being non-exclusive.

I think the church is the major offender when it comes to encouraging fear and negativity in connection with sex. What is wrong with liking sex? Nothing. "Sleeping around" can be wonderful. But for some reason people get uncomfortable and judgmental when they actually hear people say they love sex...especially when women say it.:rolleyes:

I know this is somewhat off topic but I just think it's always worth pointing out that one amazingly well-lubricated individual in that graph that apparently had sex with eight girls and one guy.

Is nobody else confused as to why she used PowerPoint? I mean, I've used PowerPoint extensively in the military, at college, and now as a part of my job... but I've never had the urge to put anything remotely sexual in a PowerPoint (*). Slideshow for a bedpost notch list? Who does that?

< This guy.

*starts work immediately, looks for phone numbers and addresses to go with pictures*

I can't see the guy who did that - there's the guy at about 12 o'clock who had 8 girls, but the only homosexual links I can see anywhere is the triangle of 2 girls and a guy at 1 o'clock.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/...k_reviseda.jpg

Damn, I wish I'd gone to that high school. I didn't get laid until afterward.

Interesting because I've had a copy of that image for years and Mr. Hefner up there looks a bit different in my copy. Must be a photoshop...

I went to two like that and I didn't get laid until college mostly because I'm pretty sure even if I'd double-bagged before doing any of those HS girls it would STILL have turned green and fallen off.


Back on topic though I'm pretty sure this will NOT end well. Even though truth is an absolute defense against libel it's still going to be a pretty uphill battle if anyone actually tries to bring suit with this.

Making a list, diary, or little black book is no big deal, neither is talking about it with friends.

But a f'ing Powerpoint presentation? Was she planning on releasing this to the world?

yeah the format in which this is presented is incriminating enough in my opinion to write this woman off as a complete sociopath. Doesn't matter what gender you are, people who do this are pretty lame.

Like I wouldn't mind getting 100% honest feedback from an ex or current partner in this format, but not in a presentation format which is designed to show off information to groups.

So if she converted it to a word document, it would be perfectly alright? I mean PP is just an easy way to put up the info she "researched", then again people have many money off of doing things like this.

I think it's funny and it probably just a way to blow off steam after making ten million PPs for school.

Personally, I could care less who she humped in college, but I do have to say something about her taste... I mean duke college students? That's the lowest of the low.

GO TARHEELS!

What is amazing to me is that this is newsworthy at all.

13 partners in 4 years? Meh. And describing body parts and acts in an era where you can find someone's sex tape in 5 minutes isn't that wild.

Which leads me to think that she has already signed up for a book and movie deal as a carrie bradshaw/tucker max mix and this powerpoint isn't real at all, just the first step in a viral campaign.

This is the Internet. You can't erase yourself. Case in point:
http://i51.tinypic.com/nqkbq.jpg

I think Eden is probably right. PP presentations are the name of the game at universities these days.

I think if a male student made this list instead of a female they'd be looking for a way to charge him with a crime of some kind.

an excellent show of the double standard.

My two points are A) she's not all that hot, and B) The overall quality and methodology of her thesis sucks almost as much as her. Oh i guess C) would be complete agreement with Tully, If a guy did this all hell would break loose and people would be bemoaning the wrecking of their precious little daughters good names.

"Not all that hot." As if that is relevant.

Anyone else notice that she claims to have no recollection of the night with the highest scoring subject? If that be the case I'd say that she felt the word inadequate applied to everybody on that list.

//edit err...Disregard that, apparently I suck at reading.

I think I'm getting old: I have no desire to click on the link and read this crap.

I'm so tired of talentless people becoming famous in this country.

Crap. Cim's right this person is going to end up with a talk show.

It's not unprecedented. There's lots of talentless folks that get noticed and launched. Shit, I worked with Debbie Matenopolous when she was an intern at MTV, sleep with the right people and boom you're golden.

The Peculiar Endurance of Florence Foster Jenkins - Opera's Greatest Bad Singer

I have no idea who Debbie Matenopolous is and I'm thinking that's good.

And that is some seriously bad singing.

Now I know I'm getting old. I don't know who Debbie Matenopolous is. I googled her, and don't recognize her. Jenny McCarthy was hosting a dating gameshow, the last time I watched MTV.

now wait a minute.

i am not going to sit idly by while the transcendent genius of florence foster jenkins is impugned.

witness...




now obviously this is not bad. this is Something Other. florence was in and from Another Place Altogether.

so obviously the majesty that is florence foster jenkins is not pertinent in a thread like this.

next thing you know you'll be bringing up yma sumac and i'll have to reach through this monitor and slap you upside the head.

I cant imagine why anyone cares.

Does anyone seriously think that this girl should be charged for this?

In the same country that Chris Brown is allowed to beat and throttle his girlfriend and just get a bit of community service, does anyone think a college girl ought to face charges for telling two friends about the guys she had consensual sex with? Get real!

This should not be news, this should not even be something that any single one of us is aware of.

I expect she feels a bit embarrassed, the guys... I guess it depends how she rated them how the feel.

I don't think it is a crime (criminal or civil), but I am interested in this from a sociological perspective.

The brutally honest sexual history of a college female is rare.

(And even though I don't like censorship, I think it would be OK to change the names. I don't know any of them, and it wouldn't make any difference to me. I have a problem with the black boxes and knowing who is person 1 or if they are talking about person 3,4, or 5 under the box.)

I don't think anyone believes a crime has been committed here. I think I started us in that direction with my comments that if genders were reversed they'd be looking for a way to charge the male student. I doubt they'd find a crime. But I seriously believe the response would be completely different.

If I were one of those guys, I'd be damn sure a crime had been committed. I'm surprised none of them have yet sued her for libel. There is more than 'personal opinion' here, and most of it is thoroughly covered by libel law. Maybe because they don't want their name to be associated, and they're hoping only their picture will be there, unrecognized.

...but would you hit it?

...

Based on the scan (*) I did of the OP materials, I hafta wonder if half those dudes remember impaling her. They probably woke up from a Busch / Natty Ice coma the next day and wondered why their dick smelled like it'd been to work. I know that's how college was for me... minus the shit beer; I stuck to liquor. Man, I've got some funny stories I should put into a headline-making PowerPoint. Ever get a handjob from a girl without thumbs?

It's not libel if it's true.

Bingo. Let us allow the pocket lawyers to continue to suggest that this is some sort of crime. Bad taste, yes. Crime? Eeeeeeh.

You can sue somebody for anything, but the deck is stacked with social norms. Women are allowed to act a fool like this. Men aren't.

That and you can't really sue somebody for what amounts to a product review. "His cunnilingus skills are mediocre at best," is an opinion.

It's not a whole lot different then somebody's __popular social website__ commentary getting outta control.

However, a part of me believes that if the genders were reversed, there would be a call for sexual harassment charges.

Could you imagine Owen Karen's Fuck List? "I will now present to you all the bitches I bagged, will full commentary and rating, deeming whether they were hot to trot or lousy lays. Of course, bonus points if they do anal. Penalties for not swallowing."

Social norms are one thing, and I'll agree with you that there will be no condemnation of her like there would be if it were a man, as BG suggested.

But...

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets...ocess_9-30.jpg

These are arguably factual claims with demonstrable true/false values. If what she said was demonstrably false, legal matters are entirely agnostic to social norms. I could see demonstrating actual harm too; if I were one of these guys I'd feel pretty harmed.

I didn't see the bit about points being deducted for being Canadian.

Ba ha ha....

So I re-read her review of the Canadian guy and it sounds like he didn't want to play ball with respect to her study (assuming she was forward with these guys and told them up front what she was up to so as not to be sued for liable at some point down the road.)

He (the Canadian dude) just blew his load, walked out of the room, and never spoke to her again. (I can only imagine him shaking his cock off on her after they had sex.)

Then she called him about some lost earings and he said to her that he'd leave them OUTSIDE of his apartment for her to pick up. :thumbsup:

Har.

Either this guy is that much of a dick, or he saw right through her.

I'm guessing the latter.

Reminds me of the time a girl I know got gussied up to do a thesis presentation. I dunno.

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Still, you can't blame her I guess. She's smart if publicity is what she wants.

I'm sure you might want to side with the guys here (because the chick is a douchebagguette) but I don't think this girl was smart enough to think about lawsuits so I'm pretty sure she never told them about the study. If that is the case, (far more likely) then the dude is just a dick.

Who here really believes this whole study was premeditate? I see all the signs of a drunken conversation leading to the idea of this PP. You are all giving this girl WAYYYYYY to much credit for this.

The drunken conversation probably went something like this...

(After many drinks) "You know, these freshman girls don't know SHIT about what it is to PAR-TY! (Insert high pitched female cheers)"

"Yeah, they need people like US to show them... like the way and stuff."

"You are TOTALLY right _____, we could like, teach them stuff. Like a class."

"HAHA that's totally AWESOME _____, we could have class notes and like powerpoints!"

"That's a fucking AWESOME idea, we are SOOOOOO smart."

Then the idea of the fuck list powerpoint was born. I mean, she went to college at DUKE, she couldn't have been THAT smart.

*****

The only guys that cared about this list are those that 1) Sucked in bed which would hurt their reputation to bang other drunken chicks and 2) those who wanted to go into politics (which would be none).

The guys that got a high score on here? I'm sure they are posting their scores all over their social networking sites. What guy doesn't like being told that he was awesome in bed?

this probably has been said already but if this was made by a guy there would be lawsuits all up his ass.

and some of the comments i heard from the media about this are funny and it seems like they don't understand that she gave this to her friends to laugh at the guys then when her friends shared this with others she claims that she never intended to hurt any of them........

She was dumb. This whole thing was dumb. The people who decided this qualifies as news are dumb. American views on sexuality are dumb. We're all dumb for continuing to discuss this, including this post.

Looks like somebody did make the list. And my Spider Sense is also telling me that it isn't strictly American. Women are treated like sex objects in all cultures to some degree. I think it all comes back to the pants: Who is wearing them and who is taking them off.

Of course there are places that are worse, but in a lot of ways we're essentially a third world country and our hypocrisy regarding sexuality is one of them.

Before I start looking at feminist sites for countries that aren't as sexist as the United States, anybody wanna drop a few suggestions? Europe? Uh... yeah.

African countries? Hell no.

Asian countries? Pretty neutral, yes, but they have their own unique set of sex/gender issues.

Australia? Westernized.

South America? Dunno.