Miss Mango

Who here has had a massage with a happy ending?

Was it planned, or a last minute thing?

Did you have to pay extra?

Anything else you want to share?

its nothing that I have ever experienced. But I am wondering about it.

ASU2003

It is something I came close to doing the last time I was in Sydney (Darlinghurst St.). If there was any place in the world where that could have happened, that was it. Well, at least where I've been, I'm sure there are other places in the world where this happens. But, I ran out of money and didn't want to get any more. Plus, I had no idea how much it would have been (if anything?). I've also never paid for a massage and don't know if you get to pick the person giving you the massage or not.

I'm wondering if male masseuse would give 'happy ending' to female clients. I would guess the girl would have to come out and request it. I don't think a male masseuse would be that forward.

Willravel

When I give a massage to my SO, I'm always up for providing my services.

Getting some action from a woman I don't know? Shit no. There are 40,000 people a year diagnosed with AIDS, and that's just the worst of the STDs. 45m people in the US have herpes. Besides, I'm not the type to fool around at all.

Manic_Skafe

Will, a "Happy Ending" typically entails being finished off with a handjob. Very little risk of STDs there if any at all.

And I'm far too sensitive (read: ticklish) across my lower back for a massage. By the time the massage were done and it'd be time to finish me off, I'd probably be limp with embarrassment for giggling like a school girl.

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Willravel

A handjob? Pssh, I figured it was at least a big sloppy BJ. Either way, forget it.

Crack

No will, they give them to you!

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Manic_Skafe

It's funny that you're so adamantly against it. Is it the infidelity aspect because I actually know plenty of people - male and female who while in committed relationships aren't against the idea of their significant other getting a happy ending after a rub down. So much so that it almost seems as if they look at a happy ending as if it's non-sexual.

Guy I used to work with used to brag about the fact that his g/f was completely fine with it.

So even if the Mrs. were willing enough not to look at it as infidelity you'd still be against it?

Crack, that's hilarious. Kudos.

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Nisses

Manic_Skafe: that's funny, because I'm 100% sure that I know at least 10x the number of people that would mind...

Just because you know a few that don't mind, doesn't make it something universal.

Have had massages, never had a happy ending, and I would really prefer not to have it either. (the fact that most of them were guys is my #1 motivator, but, I'm not the type to fool around and it *would* feel like that to me, no matter what way you spin it).

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Only from girls I was dating at the time.



Except for that one time in Rio.

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Willravel

You'll have to explain how a handjob isn't sexual.

But seriously, it IS an infidelity thing. It's also a "handjobs are for 7th graders" thing, but that's not as important. I simply will not cheat regardless of the circumstances.
If it's cheating in my mind, it's cheating. Permission doesn't even enter the equation as far as I'm concerned.

ratbastid

Hypothetically, though, if you had permission and weren't hiding anything, would it still be cheating in your mind?

Willravel

Yes. I take my commitment to a woman very seriously, which means that I am hers alone. Even with permission and full disclosure, being sexually ratified by someone else is still a betrayal of my commitment.

That said, I've never ruled out an arrangement of multiple partners, so long as it's also a serious commitment. The point is that I am monogamous by nature.

Manic_Skafe

When did I ever say it was universal?

How is speaking from my perspective spinning anything? You don't agree with me and that's great. But don't make it seem like I work for CNN simply because I offered my opinion in an open discussion.

Seems a happy ending would serve you right.

Well by definition, it'd only be cheating if it violated the terms of the relationship between you and your s/o. If your lover were perfectly fine with it then it couldn't be cheating.

And it's not that the handjob isn't a sexual act. I believe the casual attitude stems from the idea that cheating involves a significant emotional investment in someone outside of your relationship. And that sexual openness, acknowledgment of your desires and open communication with your s/o make for a healthy relationship.

The couples that I know who are fine with it seem to figure that an allowance of this sort works positively for their relationship as it promotes honesty and openness and very well may head off an actual affair at the pass.

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Willravel

The definition of cheating in this context is to be unfaithful, which is an accurate description of having any kind of romantic or sexual behaviors with someone you're not involved with when you're in a relationship. In my case, or rather in my opinion, this is true regardless of permission.

Redlemon

I am a massage therapist. I have never been asked for a happy ending. If I were asked, by either gender, the session would be over immediately, and I would still insist on payment for them wasting my time.

It pisses me off that prostitution occurs under the guise of massage.

Light pressure is ticklish. Deep pressure is not.
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Can one person ratify, or do you need a quorum?

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ratbastid

Will, I think the reason people are parsing what you say as closely as they are here is that your opinion ends up with a lot of people's choices and lifestyles being deemed "cheating". Also your definition of cheating diverges pretty dramatically from the long-established one we've arrived at here before, "it's cheating if you couldn't or wouldn't tell your significant other". Certainly MIGHT be the case about happy endings (and in most cases IS the case, I would imagine), but isn't NECESSARILY the case.

I completely respect your stand for your relationship and how you're committed to operating in it.

JUST to get this thing back on track: I know a guy who claims that the woman who cuts his hair at Great Clips gives him a happy ending with his haircut.

canuckguy

Never happens to me, I even tip well!!!!


/just kidding, i could never pay for sex. well i should never say never, but i don't see it happening. not my bag. I do have some mates that engage in this activity.

ktspktsp

Does this come with complimentary trimming? If so that's quite the deal...

james t kirk

Massage Parlours are EVERYWHERE in Toronto. I would estimate 200 in the GTA. There's one about a 1 minute walk from my house and another about a 5 minute walk. The City of Toronto licenses all such facilities. (Though there are many who choose not to buy the license.)

I feel they serve an important purpose in the community in providing a sexual outlet for men (and women) who so desire it. As long as everyone is of age, I don't care what you do. There's nothing more dangerous than a hard up man walking around the streets. For 40 or 60 bucks he can get a massage with a handjob and take that edge away safely and privately.

As to whether or not I've ever partaken in the sport? Yes I have - many times and will do so again (and again), I can assure you.

And gasp, sometimes, I've even taken a GF there for a "Couple's Massage".

Here's the protocol:

$40.00 to $60.00 Room fee for 30 to 45 minutes.

Enter MP and pay the room fee, proceed to room, have shower, lay on table face down waiting for MPA to enter.

MPA enters and you make an arrangement with her for her services (all of which include the "happy ending" aka hand job.)

$20.00 = topless
$40.00 = nude
$60.00 = nude reverse (you massage her)
$80.00 to $100.00 = body slide (pretty much like it sounds)

(The MPA's tend to get slightly put off if you don't opt for at least the nude reverse.)

Couples massages obviously cost more because they take longer.

The high end MPs don't do sex, maaaayybbbeee do BJ's (rare), probably allow DATY, etc. As you go down the food chain, BJ's enter the equation, as does sex. Depends what you want.

I really don't chase after sex - what I'm looking for is a beautiful women who is extremely sexually gifted. She knows how to please a man in many more ways that just BJ's or using her vagina. (It's far easier to bring a man off with intercourse as opposed to erotic massage.)

When completed, another shower and you're on your way, with a little bounce in your step and a smile on your face your friends don't understand.

I've met some amazing women in the sex industry - smart, beautiful and sexual as hell. The only regrets I have are those that turn out to be duds, however, there are local review boards where guys post their experience with various women so you can usually do you homework and figure out who's a dud and who's not.

Some examples of local high end MPs:

http://alluremassage.ca/

http://www.handsfromheaven.ca/

http://www.royalspa.ca/

http://www.torontoplatinumspa.com/new/index.html

ShaniFaye

By the very definition of faithful:
Adhering firmly and devotedly, as to a person, cause, or idea; loyal.

people that have "permission" ARE being faithful...they are being faithful to the idea that they and their S/O have about their sexual life, whether that includes outside sexual contact or not.

If Dave and I, or RB and Lurkette and StellaLuna all agree that our idea of outside sexual contact is OK, its just the same as Will and his partner agreeing its NOT ok....each group is staying faithful to THEIR idea.

I get so sick and tired of people trying to say that outside sexual contact is being unfaithful regardless of what my S/O and I think, it makes me wanna puke

funny story: Dave was in China working last year, he and his work buddies arranged to get a massage at the hotel they were at. I kidded with him about a "happy ending" and he pfft'd it off and said that wouldnt happen since it was the hotel staff doing it...I told him I thought he was wrong but ok.

I get a phone call the next day and the first words out of his mouth were "go ahead and say I told you so" to which I started laughing hysterically lol

Seems he got the only female, the other guys got males. She gave Dave his 1/2 hour massage when she says "Massage here (pointing to his torso and legs" over, Massage here (pointing at his weenie) cash only no charge to room"

He had no cash on him. Even though he "could have" and I wouldnt have said a word, he didnt.

boy were his workmates pissed they hadnt gotten a girl lol

I dont care I'd still ask YOU any day

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Willravel

Mine isn't an agreement, though. Mine is personal morality. In my view, committing a sexual or romantic act with someone I'm not involved with constitutes disloyalty. That's not to say my interpretation extends to anyone else, but it is a firmly held conviction of my own behavior. It's a personal choice.

mixedmedia

With what they pay those stylists at Great Clips and the like, I wouldn't be surprised.

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*Nikki*

I want to hear more stories about these places and less discussion about if it is cheating!

RetroGunslinger

I second the motion.

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Jenna

The first night I met my current boyfriend, a massage turned into sex.

But the type of massage you're thinking of? Like The Masseuse? Nope.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Osss8-_zwichttp://youtube.com/watch?v=bA1_XfnVn_8

imkeen

This is an interesting question. Seems a little outside the scope of a normal massage, much like using a finger to penetrate a woman could be considered massaging the vagina. Technically, yes a massage, but not really in the spirit of the original use of the word.

jewels

Has anyone had a happy ending at the gynecologist?

That's just silly. Massage therapists are professionals who won't jeopardize their licenses. I know a couple of ladies who have established clienteles, who'd never think of anything beyond the scope of their professional services.

I'm not sure what a massage "parlor" is, though.

Each time I give a full body massage *sigh* it usually ends in sex. Unless he just did the lawn and showered, in which case I put him to sleep.

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james t kirk

That's easy. You can go here:

http://www.terb.ca/vbulletin/index.php

(You will need to register however with an email address, otherwise, it comes up blank. It's a discussion board with a twist I suppose.)

Look under Toronto Reviews, Toronto Massage. (You'll figure it out from there.)

There's a million stories in the naked City as they say.

(Please don't go here if you're going to pass judgement however. Nobody needs that.)

allaboutmusic

I'd imagine gynos are VERY careful about that kind of thing as they could lose their medical license very easily.

HamiC

James T Kirk:

I greatly appreciate your honesty and insights in this thread. And I love the following...

Well done all around.

Thanks.

Redlemon

Same goes for massage therapists in states that license them.

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Willravel

Yes, but unlike a gynecologist, very few massage therapists make direct contact with sexual organs. I would imagine that vaginal massage would probably get you fired whether it was sexual in nature or not.

Leto

goddam... I had no idea. None of these are covered off by OHIP I assume...

james t kirk

No, I doubt your bennefits plan would cover them either (some plans will cover RMTs, however, as so many have correctly pointed out, RMT's risk losing their licenses by providing the happy ending.)

However, there are more than a few former RMT's who have switched to the erotic massage industry since they are comfortable with human sexuality and they can parler their looks / massage skills into an income of several hundred thousand dollars a year (most of it cash).

Like anything else however, there is always a downside and the sex industry is probably one industry with more downside than many other industries.

JohnBua

They are fun, what is the harm?

RetroGunslinger

Toronto, here I come. (I'm hoping I'm being as literal as possible)

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MSD

I've never been to one, but I can name two places within a mile of work that are known for it. Pretty much any massage parlor or similar establishment is not making the bulk of their money on massages.

Herk

I guess I don't understand why. Aside from conviction to principles of religion, I cannot understand why this would upset a person. A simple smile and "No" would do fine I'd think. Also, it is a perfect guise for delivering prostitution to the public interested in it in a system where it has become illegal for some reason.

I think it should be noted that there is a clear difference between licensed massage therapists, and the "Unlicensed Massage" section in the back of the Pitch featuring headings like "2 Hot Asian Sisters Massage". Come on. There isn't any trickery going on here. We know what we are after, massage or handjob, and seeking it out wouldn't be a problem if people didn't have such weird moral hangups that it became illegal to give money to a girl for whatever the hell she'll accept money for.

Good stuff. That's funny.

To answer the OP's question, I haven't had this happen, but I've been very interested in this. I've been asking the same question. I'm trying to understand the protocol, so that I get the right masseuse. I'd hate to have somebody get pissed off and end the session when all I was after was a good day for both of us. I get off and you get some more money. Where is the harm?

By the way, fortunately I have a wife that distinguishes between getting off and our relationship. Though they are intertwined, honesty and openness(occasionally letting a person do something they desire) can go a long way toward sustaining a loving, lasting relationship.

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Redlemon

The harm is having to answer the same fucking "happy ending" question over and over. I'm a professional.

I don't care if prostitution is made legal. Just stop calling it massage, OK?

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kutulu

I doubt it is really that complicated. Just pick out one of those places that advertise in the back of the paper and go in.