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Recently I discover that every time I do a Kegel exercise I can orgasm. It last for 3-5 seconds. Some of them seem to be really intense, where I can feel it rushing on both my legs. Could it be an orgasm? I'm kind of confused because I never had this before. Plus, I'm not sexually active. So orgasm sometimes confuses me.

Borla

I've never had a vagina, so I don't claim to be an expert, but to me it sounds like you are feeling some other type of pleasure, not orgasm itself.


But what do I know?

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Plan9

My exwife use Kegels on my mansword during intercourse and that would help massage her G-spot more than just the straight poking, she suggested.

Kinda like a clenching fist. It was hot. I approve.

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ngdawg

True orgasms last longer and your whole body would feel it...it's hard to describe if you never had one, but that ain't it. Masturbate-you'll know. What you might be feeling is 'excitement', brought on by the rising of the uterus, coupled with, perhaps, some lurid thoughts and a rise in oxytocin, a hormone, that, when it increases for whatever reason, can bring on an overwhelming....horniness.

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Varese

why label it? if it feels good, log it and repeat it!

MuMan

WTF is a kegel?
No shame in that, I didn't have a clue either..just jumped right in..probably not the best experience I ever had!
Anyways, it's a bit different now..need any lessons

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miathyria

Umm, no. Women can orgasm spontaneously, including from kegel exercises. There is no rule that says an orgasm must feel a certain way or last a certain amount of time.

ngdawg

True orgasm is achieved by clitoral stimulation; Gspot orgasms are probably what you are thinking of. The two together are out of this world-gspot alone, very nice, but not the same thing. Kegel exercises don't stimulate the clitoris as it's external and not attached to the vaginal wall. One can achieve 'orgasm' through many means, but that's because of the rise in oxytocin and the body's reaction(nipple stimulation being my personal favorite )No one said it should 'feel' a certain way, but if one has to ask, one has not had one. And count to 3-I know of no one who would admit to the big O lasting 3 seconds....if it does, that's really too bad.

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Willravel

I'd imagine if you were doing kegel exercises while doing leg lifts, it'd be totally possible to have the real thing. Being someone who frequents the gym, I do notice that a lot of core exercises are popular with the lady-folk. Good for them, I say.

Bear Cub

Wish it worked for guys too. Would sure make some of my long lectures a lot more interesting!

And potentially awkward.

snowy

Uhh...okay. First of all, there is no real physiological difference between g-spot and clitoral orgasms, as they physiologically work on the same group of nerves (the bundle of nerves that form your clit end in a longer nerve, which runs just behind the g-spot).

To clarify for the OP:

The orgasm, in either sex, can be broken down into four stages (thanks to Masters and Johnson) called the sexual response cycle: excitement, plateau, orgasm, and resolution. During excitement, many physiological changes take place in both sexes. In females, the breasts enlarge and nipples swell, vasocongestion leads to excretion of fluid from the vaginal walls, and the uterus moves higher up into the abdominal cavity, lengthening the vagina somewhat. The clitoris and other sex organs such as the labia begin to swell. In plateau, the Bartholin glands produce fluid, the clitoris continues to swell but withdraws a smidge under its hood, and the labia continue to swell.

Orgasm in females results in very pleasurable muscle contractions in the pelvic region. All of the muscles one uses in doing Kegel exercises begin to clench reflexively, and the uterus also contracts. In most females, this group of contractions can last anywhere from 15-30 seconds--sometimes longer. I can make an self-induced orgasm last as long as 45 seconds, but my g-spot orgasms are usually only about 15 seconds long (they are, however, much more rapid in coming).

Some women have the great fortune of having more ways to reach orgasm than others--some can come via breast stimulation, having their thighs stroked the right way--but only about 25% of women actually orgasm from traditional vaginal intercourse. Personally, during traditional intercourse, I'm more likely to come from his penis repeatedly hitting my cul-de-sac (the posterior fornix) and bumping my uterus. I can also come from being spanked if the spanks jar my uterus. Like I said--there are a variety of ways for women to reach orgasm, and we're all different. I can also come from having my back stroked a certain way after sex--the great beauty of being multi-orgasmic (women usually spend a couple of minutes in the plateau phase after orgasm, instead of going straight to resolution, like the majority of men do).

Given what you've said, it's more likely you're just hitting the excitement phase. Some of the sensations in excitement/plateau can feel like mini-orgasms...but like ng said, if you've really had an orgasm, you don't have to ask.

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Willravel

The trade off is that we can get off faster on average and certainly more consistently. And we don't have to wear makeup. And no heels. Frankly, I think we got the better deal.

ngdawg

Nothing in many articles I've read states that the clitoris and gspot are of the same group of nerves any more than any other genital area-they're all connected, but not the same(breasts are also a part of the equation-their stimulation releases oxytocin, which is increased during sexual pleasure. Nursing causes uterine contractions because of it.) It's described most often as the 'uretheral sponge'-tissue that wraps around the urethra and swells during sexual excitement, enhancing the enjoyment(although there might be that initial sensation of having to pee).
Being that you can 'orgasm' with spanking as I can with nipple stimulation, it's, as 'experts' have said, a state of mind. They're a reaction to what we enjoy sexually-we wouldn't necessarily react the same way to someone we couldn't stand and what gets you or me to that point might not be pleasant for someone else.
If the OP isn't familiar with it, this might help: http://www.gspotcenter.com/facts/what-is-the-gspot
In the meantime, I certainly wouldn't stop the Kegel, just add to it

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snowy

I was more disagreeing with the idea that clitoral orgasms are somehow more right than vaginal/g-spot orgasms. In your post, you said clitoral orgasms are the "true" orgasm--which isn't correct, because any orgasm is "true" to the person having it. The idea that any orgasm from a certain location is better than another is something Freud focused on (though his argument was that vaginal orgasms were superior to clitoral orgasms, because clitoral orgasms were somehow childish or selfish), but regardless of how the orgasm originates, it's no or less legitimate than any other way. And to distinguish between the two is truly pointless, because, as you suggested, all the nerves in the pelvic region are interconnected. I believe I misinterpreted your initial post.

As for the physiology involved--in PSY 202 this spring we covered sexual physiology, as well as in my WS 399 class, and both classes proposed that the g-spot actually consists of the root nerves of the clitoris. Digging around for evidence (because I hate to spout off without backing evidence), I found this:

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris

This basically sums up O'Connell's findings--the paper can be found on PubMed if you're interested.

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ngdawg

Bad choice of wording is all..I'm agreeing that it's all interconnected, which is why we have such varying reactions to different stimuli and why it'd be impossible to personally describe our own orgasms(regardless of how we got them) to someone who's never had their own or questions what they're feeling.
Was going to edit previous post to include this link: http://www.reuniting.info/science/ox...health_bonding
This is a really good article: http://www.the-clitoris.com/f_html/orgasm.htm

Edited to add: I am, admittedly, a bit old school and go by (probably) older data and (good or bad) a lot of experience and discussion. "Orgasm" seems to have become a catch-all word for intense reaction to sexual stimuli; but the way we react to each technique is decidedly different and every orgasm is not the same, even within the same woman. I can go absolutely crazy and reach most of the clinical 'phases' without actually having sex, but the most intense, longest lasting and wildest orgasms involve the clitoris always and I think this holds true for the vast majority, or at least anyone who's climaxed that way. Until I had that, I thought I was climaxing quite well-it's a whole different ballgame when you find out otherwise. Just too bad it can't be described to those who want to know what it feels like.(and anal, gspot along with clit? OY!)


is it hot in here or is it just me?

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Bear Cub

I don't know Will, I think my ass would look pretty good in heels

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ngdawg

Which ones, dammit!!!!

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Willravel

They're called 'coregasms' because you're doing core exercises. The most effective are hanging leg raises (hang by your arms from the bar, and lift your knees). It builds up tension in the legs, releases endorphins and dopamine, and can cause repeated clitoral stimulation. Not to mention that women who exercise their cores usually have stronger pelvic muscles. This means that as the legs lift, the woman can squeeze her pelvic muscles.

I read about it in Men's Health recently.

cadre

Haha, I've never gotten orgasms from that but I'll have to keep it in mind next time I'm working out.

Anywho, as far as the op goes, try stimulating yourself in a different way and see if you can get the same effect or something similar. If so, I don't see why it can't be an orgasm.

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miathyria

onesnowyowl got at what I was getting towards. Thanks.

I read the same article on coregasms and it made me laugh. I'll admit to being jealous, but can completely comprehend the physiology behind it. A regular Pilates workout that has given an increased core strength can also make orgasms a little easier to obtain (both during masturbation and intercourse). It's just one more reason to be fit and healthy.

abaya

I can totally see that. I think I've posted elsewhere on TFP about my need for pelvic/abdominal tension when I orgasm, especially during oral sex. I have to be actively engaging those muscles (e.g. holding on the bedframe behind my head and pulling the whole time) in order to have the best and quickest orgasms... it goes back to elementary and jr. high school, when I LOVED LOVED LOVED the rope climb, pull-ups, and going *up* the "fireman's pole" on the playground because it felt like I was about to have an orgasm every time I hung there for 10-15 seconds (I didn't know it was an orgasm then, but I knew it just felt GOOD around my tummy!). I am all about the pelvic muscles.

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Bearface

I take it you clench them? Does it really help speed up the onset of orgasm? I only ask cos my partner is having trouble reaching the big "O".

abaya

Well, everyone's different, but it certainly speeds up *my* orgasms. Has your partner ever had an orgasm? Does she masturbate? Sometimes it just takes time to figure out what makes yourself tick.

For me, the ideal position is on my back, legs spread, no pillows under my head... and 1-2 feet between my head and the headboard, so I have room to "pull" myself up while he's going down on me. I don't actually pull my whole body up, since mostly I am just trying to create tension in the abs by pulling on the frame behind me (and the weight of my body creates enough traction that I don't really move very far)... but it's inevitable that I do end up scootching up a bit at a time, so my husband has to "follow" me (this is over 15-20 minutes of time, btw). It's basically like doing a pull-up, but horizontally. It's also important that he has at least two fingers inside me, occasionally a finger in my ass, and that his tongue never leaves my clit. Hope this helps!

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Bearface

Thanks Abaya.

No she has never had an orgasm, nor has she indulged in masturbating...Yet.
I am her first sexual partner and she's never had the pleasure of oral sex from anyone else before. Going on the proviso that everyone is different, there a few "standard procedures" that one keeps in their bag of tricks to ensure great success. I have employed as having done so with past gf's and partners but with my current partner they have been working only to a point. Then stop me dead in my tracks.

Well, judging by her movements and body language and also from talking to her about it afterwards, it seems that she gets close to the point but then gets really sensitive and needs me to stop. Even if I anticipate this and slow down or become gentle in my strokes she still cant go on because the sensation she describes sounds similiar to the sensation of someone going down on you, directly onto your clit literally after you've cum. Or from a male perspective, a woman sucking on your head just after you've shot your load.

We have both been doing our research and we stumbled across Kegels/Pc muscle exercises and I know from past gf's/partners that they have always clenched and this brings in an extra flow of arousal to take them to climax but have never really been sure of the ins and outs of it!(excuse the pun)

abaya

Bearface-

Yeah, the clit can become over sensitive after a certain period of stimulation. I had that problem a lot, too, when my husband first started going down on me (before were married)... I mean, hell, 30-40 minutes of stimulation is a LOT! And I had masturbated and orgasmed by myself, before... but it still took a good 5 months before I finally came with a partner.

But it may help for her to explore her own body as well, even without you... just so she knows what it feels like, and to be comfortable with herself (which helps to relax with you, which increases chances of orgasm). How can she tell you how to help her come, if she hasn't done it herself, I ask?

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Bearface

My sentiments exactly.

Seeing as she is relatively new to this and is yet to experience her own body for herself, I've taken a backseat in the matter. She is open to the idea of it which is good to know and seeing as we are currently apart for 60 days due to my work commitments, I think that should be sufficient enough time for her to get her ball rolling.

I'll keep you updated on the progress. And thanks again for your advice!!

RenaissanceII

I Have reason to believe that kegel orgasms do happen, and if they can be added to the repotre (sp) of fun things to do, great. If not thats good, too.

Having said that, do bowlers have the ability to have kegler orgasms?

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ngdawg

Ah...that pre-orgasm tickle. Yea, she needs to allow herself to go past that point-a good way to help do that is 69'ing-she will have her mind elsewhere, more or less, instead of paying attention to her own progress. Worth a shot.
I'm curious as to why all the work....just relax and enjoy the experience and all this 'research' into the ins and outs wouldn't be necessary, no? The best research is the research you can do on each other. jmo

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Bearface

Haha, I can totally see how my response sounds so cold and clinical. No, its far from that. This has only been something we have been working on together in the absence of actually being together....leading up to when we are actually physically together next, which won't be for another 2 months. (I'm in the UK and she's returned to Australia).

So our relationship has been reduced to, and is governed to some degree by Skype, phone cards and good wholesome webcam fun.

Thanks for the pointers though Ngdawg!