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ObieX · 12-06-2005, 10:25 PM

Is ths being covered on TV anywhere (other than arab stations on the other side of the world). I dont have cable or satelite TV, but i havent heard much about it being televised. One would think that this would be on TV here like the OJ trial or something. Shouldn't the American people be able to watch this? If only to see the guy we've lost so many people over get what he has coming to him? Or is it already being covered and i just haven't noticed?

Seaver · 12-06-2005, 10:32 PM

It's covered. The problem is that they have to translate everything. Also with the 12 hour time difference added to that, it'd be played "live" in the middle of the night.

Besides... it's not like we dont know what's going to happen to him.

alpha phi · 12-06-2005, 10:41 PM

It's covered....sort of
sound bites here, and there.
The most I've seen was the BBC coverage on PBS
Meh!....It's not like anything important
will be allowed translated.
like Seaver said we all know the verdict

Ustwo · 12-06-2005, 10:54 PM

Why do I have a feeling that Seaver's take on this is different than alpha phi's

The constant translation would be the hard part, but it really should be covered. It doesn't need to be live.

Seaver · 12-06-2005, 11:14 PM

I've caught it on CSPAN.

I was laughing when I first saw the judge tell Saddam to sit down and shut up.

alpha phi · 12-06-2005, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo

Why do I have a feeling that Seaver's take on this is different than alpha phi's

The constant translation would be the hard part, but it really should be covered. It doesn't need to be live.

You would be right

It could be a first
I also agree with you :suprise:
It wouldn't and shouldn't be live
The translation would be difficult live (untrustworthy IMO)
I would prefer to see a peer reviewed independant translation.
That way we could avoid the left/right slant,
and have the truth for a change

we probably agree on more than you think.
I'll leave it at that to stay on topic

trickyy · 12-06-2005, 11:48 PM

cnn international had a live (time delayed) feed when the lawyers walked out
this was quite late, though

Rekna · 12-07-2005, 11:20 AM

Kindof a side topic but does anyone else think having this trial in Iraq is a joke? We have lawyers for the defense being killed and threatoned. We all know Saddam is guilty as hell but he does deserve a fair trial, if you disagree then let's execute him right now and save Iraq tim and money. We should have an Iraqi court try him but not in Iraq. It should be moved to somewhere safer.

Thats my opinion.

Amaras · 12-07-2005, 12:15 PM

Rekna, I think the ideal being followed here is as was true during Nuremberg, ie.
"Never again."
The theory is that public trials, supposedly fair, of world leaders will lead to
greater accountability on their part, hopefully suppressing tyrants.
No one person should be able to say
"He's obviously guilty, let's save time and money and kill them now."
Thus tyrants are born.

kutulu · 12-07-2005, 12:35 PM

I don't want to sound like a Saddam sympathizer here but isn't the he on trial for killing 148 people who supposedly tried to orchestrate an assasination against him? If his defense team can show that those people were seditous, in accordance with the definition of Iraqi law just what crime was committed?

The whole trial is a joke. It's not as if 'not guilty' is an option and even if it was, we'd just bring out more charges against him. We should have shot him in the spider hole and been done with it. Instead we have this dog and pony show and because of it people have died.

Ustwo · 12-07-2005, 12:44 PM

grolsch thats not what Rekna is saying, what he is saying is Iraq isn't a safe place for the trial so move the trial.

I can understand that angle but I think the trial MUST be in Iraq for the good of Iraq. Establishing a fair court system is perhaps THE most important thing for a free country, you can rig the votes but if you can't rig the courts you still lose. If you can rig the courts you don't really need to rig the votes. Yes its a target for those who want Saddam or his ilk back in power, yes innocent people will die, but it is a potent symbol and symbols do matter in a region that has only known dictatorships.

alpha phi · 12-07-2005, 06:06 PM

I've been noticed the coverage has had several different spins
Nothing new about that.
execpt which network is doing the spin
Fox seemed out of their right slanting character
While CNN ....just fluffy....I'm suprised they didn't proclaim the designer suit
everyone was wearing....
If I put all the sources together
a more complete picture is formed

FOX News view
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177655,00.html

MSNBC view
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10173884/

Aljazeera.net view
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...AAC4FACD49.htm

CNN view
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...cnn_topstories

CBS view
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in541815.shtml

Jeff Rense's view (highly baised, still amusing/things that make you go Hmmmm..)
http://www.rense.com/general69/roiver.htm

CityOfAngels · 12-07-2005, 06:47 PM

I actually never knew Saddam had such a great sense of humor, especially for the shit he's going through. I remember reading in the L.A. times about him saying something like (paraphrasing), "Why are we even here? This court is a farce; it's made in America. I'm not even coming tomorrow!" The guy is hilarious. A dickhead, but hilarious. It's funny 'cause it's true.

trickyy · 12-07-2005, 10:41 PM

it's funny that he doesn't have to go to court if he doesn't want to. maybe they've decided to just have him under house arrest. next thing he'll come in wearing pajamas.

12-06-2005, 10:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	Saddam Trial Is ths being covered on TV anywhere (other than arab stations on the other side of the world). I dont have cable or satelite TV, but i havent heard much about it being televised. One would think that this would be on TV here like the OJ trial or something. Shouldn't the American people be able to watch this? If only to see the guy we've lost so many people over get what he has coming to him? Or is it already being covered and i just haven't noticed? __________________ We Must Dissent.

12-06-2005, 10:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
alpha phi seeker Location: home	It's covered....sort of sound bites here, and there. The most I've seen was the BBC coverage on PBS Meh!....It's not like anything important will be allowed translated. like Seaver said we all know the verdict __________________ All ideas in this communication are sole property of the voices in my head. (C) 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 "The Voices" (TM). All rights reserved.

12-06-2005, 10:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Why do I have a feeling that Seaver's take on this is different than alpha phi's The constant translation would be the hard part, but it really should be covered. It doesn't need to be live. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

12-07-2005, 12:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
Amaras Junkie Location: At my daughter's beck and call.	Rekna, I think the ideal being followed here is as was true during Nuremberg, ie. "Never again." The theory is that public trials, supposedly fair, of world leaders will lead to greater accountability on their part, hopefully suppressing tyrants. No one person should be able to say "He's obviously guilty, let's save time and money and kill them now." Thus tyrants are born. __________________ Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state. -Noam Chomsky Love is a verb, not a noun. -My Mom The function of genius is to furnish cretins with ideas twenty years later. -Louis Aragon, "La Porte-plume," Traite du style, 1928

12-07-2005, 12:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	grolsch thats not what Rekna is saying, what he is saying is Iraq isn't a safe place for the trial so move the trial. I can understand that angle but I think the trial MUST be in Iraq for the good of Iraq. Establishing a fair court system is perhaps THE most important thing for a free country, you can rig the votes but if you can't rig the courts you still lose. If you can rig the courts you don't really need to rig the votes. Yes its a target for those who want Saddam or his ilk back in power, yes innocent people will die, but it is a potent symbol and symbols do matter in a region that has only known dictatorships. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

12-06-2005, 10:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	It's covered. The problem is that they have to translate everything. Also with the 12 hour time difference added to that, it'd be played "live" in the middle of the night. Besides... it's not like we dont know what's going to happen to him.

12-06-2005, 11:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	I've caught it on CSPAN. I was laughing when I first saw the judge tell Saddam to sit down and shut up.

12-06-2005, 11:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
trickyy ►	cnn international had a live (time delayed) feed when the lawyers walked out this was quite late, though

12-07-2005, 11:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Kindof a side topic but does anyone else think having this trial in Iraq is a joke? We have lawyers for the defense being killed and threatoned. We all know Saddam is guilty as hell but he does deserve a fair trial, if you disagree then let's execute him right now and save Iraq tim and money. We should have an Iraqi court try him but not in Iraq. It should be moved to somewhere safer. Thats my opinion.

12-07-2005, 12:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I don't want to sound like a Saddam sympathizer here but isn't the he on trial for killing 148 people who supposedly tried to orchestrate an assasination against him? If his defense team can show that those people were seditous, in accordance with the definition of Iraqi law just what crime was committed? The whole trial is a joke. It's not as if 'not guilty' is an option and even if it was, we'd just bring out more charges against him. We should have shot him in the spider hole and been done with it. Instead we have this dog and pony show and because of it people have died.

12-07-2005, 06:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
alpha phi seeker Location: home	I've been noticed the coverage has had several different spins Nothing new about that. execpt which network is doing the spin Fox seemed out of their right slanting character While CNN ....just fluffy....I'm suprised they didn't proclaim the designer suit everyone was wearing.... If I put all the sources together a more complete picture is formed FOX News view http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177655,00.html MSNBC view http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10173884/ Aljazeera.net view http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...AAC4FACD49.htm CNN view http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...cnn_topstories CBS view http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in541815.shtml Jeff Rense's view (highly baised, still amusing/things that make you go Hmmmm..) http://www.rense.com/general69/roiver.htm __________________ All ideas in this communication are sole property of the voices in my head. (C) 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 "The Voices" (TM). All rights reserved.

12-07-2005, 06:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
CityOfAngels Oh shit it's Wayne Brady! Location: Passenger seat of Wayne Brady's car.	I actually never knew Saddam had such a great sense of humor, especially for the shit he's going through. I remember reading in the L.A. times about him saying something like (paraphrasing), "Why are we even here? This court is a farce; it's made in America. I'm not even coming tomorrow!" The guy is hilarious. A dickhead, but hilarious. It's funny 'cause it's true.

12-07-2005, 10:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
trickyy ►	it's funny that he doesn't have to go to court if he doesn't want to. maybe they've decided to just have him under house arrest. next thing he'll come in wearing pajamas.