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Nad Adam · 05-07-2003, 11:25 AM

List the political things you'd like to see in your lifetime, keep it sincere.

To start it off:
A stable democracy in Africa.
A stable democracy in South America.

Sun Tzu · 05-07-2003, 11:36 AM

A space flight or mission with the crew being compiled of individuals from all countries or at least as many as possible. I think its a good start with Russia. 30 years ago that would have been unthinkable.

Israel and Palestine side by side in peace.

Democracy in China.

I'm aware if some of the arguments on this maybe not all, but the abolishment of the electorial vote in the US.

Severment of privatization of the federal reserve bank.

Gradual conversion of alternate fuel to bring new commerce to the great plains and to America in general. Its time to stop paying farmers not to farm, and theres better things than oil (IMO)

Daval · 05-07-2003, 11:53 AM

removal of all WMD from the world. - meaning chemical, biological and nucleur weapons.

The_Dude · 05-07-2003, 03:41 PM

world wide european union

Liquor Dealer · 05-07-2003, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
world wide european union

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean we (the N & S American continents should should become part of what a large part of Europe doesn't want to become a part of already? Or do you mean that we should take this continent and do away with national boundaries and make it one big happy country (we could call it the United Canada of Mexico or something catchy like that). Dude - there may not be a whole lot of unity left by the time the rest of Europe gets a good look at the activities of some of it's major players. Some of these appear to be non uni.

maximusveritas · 05-07-2003, 05:12 PM

On a similar note as The Dude, I 'd like to see a true United Nations. I'd like to see democracy all over the world. I'd like to see the end of religious fundamentalism. I'd like to see peace on earth. I'd like to see a world where everyone is free, everyone is equal, and everyone's rights are respected.

Liquor Dealer · 05-07-2003, 06:17 PM

I don't know if by United Nations you mean the organization in NY or if you mean a bunch of united nations. The organization is out. If it were possible to actually unite nations it would solve all the world's problems - not actually, I almost forgot about Texas and Oklahoma. This would approach Utopia and that isn't likely to happen. The EU is probably dead before it ever starts because there are nations in Europe that have to be nombre une! I believe it would be easier to unite the Americas, or at least N America than it would to unite Europe. In spite of our current differences the U.S. and Canada are very much alike - Mexico is in the process of self-destructing. To unite anything south of Mexico would be difficult.

A lot of things would have to happen to have what all of you hint at being world peace.

1. Religion - I'm not sure there can ever be peace so long as there is religion. That's a terrible thing to say but - those who run around talking about peace the most represent the base cause of probably 75% of all the wars in the history of man.

2. Nationalism - Nationalism is good - nationalism is bad - Extreme nationalism causes war. If you need an example WW l should fit the bill. Extreme nationalism leads to arms races and the "my country, right or wrong" attitude that has been so very prevalent in the past couple of months.

3. Unequal distribution of wealth - the haves and the have nots would have to throw it all in a pot and divide it up equally. I have been told that if this were to happen the haves would have it all back in a short time and the have nots would be in worse shape than when they started. Equal distribution of wealth would lead to unacceptable forms of government - forms that have proven to be unworkable in the past.

These are my thoughts - callous as they might appear .

crewsor · 05-07-2003, 06:51 PM

True racial harmony.

Simple_Min · 05-07-2003, 06:59 PM

To see humanity to not attack it self. Forget borders, forget racial religious cultural lines and zoom out and view the Blue Earth for some time and realize that a civilization against it self will not survive long.

But...
Now, I return to Reality...

maximusveritas · 05-07-2003, 07:34 PM

Liquor Dealer,
I don't mean the organization. That's why I put in the qualifier "true".

I agree with your 3 points and hinted at all of them in my post. Of course, I do not think those 3 things will ever happen in my lifetime, but I would sure like to see it.

guthmund · 05-07-2003, 08:07 PM

You know what I'd like to see in my lifetime?

Mars. That's it. Just Mars.

Kadath · 05-07-2003, 08:36 PM

I'd like to see one, just one world leader with something other than his or her own best interests in mind. I'd also like to see an end to the two party system in the US.

Sun Tzu · 05-07-2003, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by guthmund
You know what I'd like to see in my lifetime?

Mars. That's it. Just Mars.

I second that. China has a manned mission in the works, but it seems the lack of experience will be against them.

www.washtimes.com/world/20020819-2309194.htm

Nad Adam · 05-08-2003, 09:44 AM

LD
The differences of opinions about the Iraqi war in the EU has been blown out of proportion in the US media to discredit the french and germans. My estimation is 80% of the population in EU(including UK) think that the UK was pussies not to stand up to Bushs respectless rethorics and 19% just don't give a shit.

drewg · 05-08-2003, 11:09 AM

I'd like to see:

THE REVIVAL OF A HEATHEN SCANDINAVIAN EMPIRE!!!

hmm... nah, maybe not.

1. An end to the so called Communist regime of China
2. An peacefull sollution to the Isreal/Palestine conflict
3. Democracy and prosparity in the Middle East (prefearably put in place by the people themselves and not by the western world)
4. Democracy and prosparity in Africa
5. Democracy and prosparity for the rest of the poor countries who are neither in Africa nor in the middle east
6. An end to the extreme marketliberalism. More power to the elected governments, less to the multibilliondollar companies.
7. Never again experience a revival of the 80ies.
8. A good Norwegian movie, prefearably something epic. About norse mythology, vikings or knights or something.

Well, one can always dream...

Nad Adam · 05-08-2003, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drewg
I'd like to see:
8. A good Norwegian movie

Well, there's always 'Elling'.

Easytiger · 05-08-2003, 03:57 PM

True religious and racial tolerance- and by tolerance I mean understanding and respect, not merely a lack of active dislike. I think that if we had that, we'd be on the way to achieving a lot of other stuff too.

guthmund · 05-08-2003, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sun Tzu
I second that. China has a manned mission in the works, but it seems the lack of experience will be against them.

www.washtimes.com/world/20020819-2309194.htm

It's really in the best interest of all to try exploring Mars together. With all the budget cuts and such that NASA has had to endure it's looking like the only way to get past the moon is to do it together in a joint mission with folks from all around the world.

But what are the chances of that happening?

gibber71 · 05-11-2003, 07:33 PM

I'd like to see the supposed heaven just to see if I would change my ways.

charlesesl · 05-11-2003, 08:30 PM

peace in the middle east

like that will ever happen

ruggerp11 · 05-15-2003, 09:17 PM

I would like to see a lot of things that will never happen but here is a few:

1. Our relaince on fossil fuels to go away.... and never come back
2. a manned mission to mars (rock on)
3. an international 30-35 hour (mandated) work week... spend more time with your families
4. world *cough*US*cough* conservation. We are nearly at or passed carrying capacity... we need to realize this
5. People to turn off thier TV's and go outside (I think this would be benificial if 3 was mandated and would help 4)
6. a place were people can live and not fear getting sick because medical expenses are too much.
7. A place where I can walk anywhere at 3am and not worry.
8. An international education standard
9. A place where everyone is aware of other cultures (and everyone knows at least two languages)
10.....

There are many many more but meh, if I can dream right?

ARTelevision · 05-19-2003, 04:33 AM

...a mass rejection of all religion and all mass media by the world's population.

When people are motivated by absurd ideas, they are politically neutralized because they have no ability to think in other than impossibly unrealistic ways.

homerhop · 05-19-2003, 04:46 AM

A 32 county Republic.
All political leaders being held responsible for their wrong doings
A force able to punish ANY country for its wrong doings
The removal of religion in the running of any country

Grothendieck · 05-19-2003, 03:22 PM

1. The USA banning landmines: http://www.icbl.org/

2. A fair peace in the Middle East.

3. A European Union that is able to take its humanitarian responsibilities seriously.

4. US world dominace breaking down peacefully and being replaced by a workable World Government.

5. A proof of the Riemann Hypothesis, preferably by myself

Frowning Budah · 05-24-2003, 03:29 PM

Leaders of all countries looking after the needs and wants of their people instead of their own wants and needs.

Lebell · 05-24-2003, 05:31 PM

Peace in the Middle East.

Free Tibet.

Man on Mars.

Viable Fusion Energy Technology.

XXXs · 05-26-2003, 04:32 PM

Things I'd like to see.
1. A GREAT president. Someone up there with Lincoln. Too bad I don't remember Reagan.
2. A space worthy vehicle. No more shuttle. Too expensive.
3. A cure for AIDS & cancer.
4. Bin Laden's head on a stick.
5. A peaceful middle east (least likely of my choices).

wayne21 · 05-28-2003, 03:54 AM

A world where we could all just get along and work for the common goal of saving the earth, explore the star's togeather...

seretogis · 05-28-2003, 04:07 AM

I'd like to see a breed of canine take over as the dominant species, since humans are morally corrupt and cannot be trusted to tell the truth, much less run a world-government.

duckduck · 05-29-2003, 10:03 PM

The end of it.

** my, aren't I morbid today? **

ganon · 05-30-2003, 08:17 AM

1. the end of communism and socialism in the entire world.
2. an educational system that reflects history accurately instead of politically correct (revisionist)
3. an end to political correctness
4. racial and gender equality based on facts and not politics
5. the dissolution and dismemberment of the united nations
6. the acceptance of peoples right to worship how they want to
7. stopping the current revenue system and switching to a sales tax system
8. stopping property taxes after 10yrs of ownership
9. stopping the use of public education to further political agendas and going back to fundemental skills being taught.
10. complete disolutionment of the NEA
11. a constitutional amendment that changes the 2nd amendment to simply read "the right of the people to possess and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Fluk · 05-30-2003, 02:44 PM

I'd like to see policies geared towards worldwide, sustained economic growth and social peace.

Also: more pragmatic and transparent decision-making, less fundamentalism/populism.

05-07-2003, 11:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
Nad Adam Psycho Location: Sweden	Things I'd like to see in my lifetime List the political things you'd like to see in your lifetime, keep it sincere. To start it off: A stable democracy in Africa. A stable democracy in South America.

05-07-2003, 11:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	A space flight or mission with the crew being compiled of individuals from all countries or at least as many as possible. I think its a good start with Russia. 30 years ago that would have been unthinkable. Israel and Palestine side by side in peace. Democracy in China. I'm aware if some of the arguments on this maybe not all, but the abolishment of the electorial vote in the US. Severment of privatization of the federal reserve bank. Gradual conversion of alternate fuel to bring new commerce to the great plains and to America in general. Its time to stop paying farmers not to farm, and theres better things than oil (IMO) __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking*

05-07-2003, 11:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	removal of all WMD from the world. - meaning chemical, biological and nucleur weapons. __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

05-07-2003, 03:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	world wide european union __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

05-07-2003, 06:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	I don't know if by United Nations you mean the organization in NY or if you mean a bunch of united nations. The organization is out. If it were possible to actually unite nations it would solve all the world's problems - not actually, I almost forgot about Texas and Oklahoma. This would approach Utopia and that isn't likely to happen. The EU is probably dead before it ever starts because there are nations in Europe that have to be nombre une! I believe it would be easier to unite the Americas, or at least N America than it would to unite Europe. In spite of our current differences the U.S. and Canada are very much alike - Mexico is in the process of self-destructing. To unite anything south of Mexico would be difficult. A lot of things would have to happen to have what all of you hint at being world peace. 1. Religion - I'm not sure there can ever be peace so long as there is religion. That's a terrible thing to say but - those who run around talking about peace the most represent the base cause of probably 75% of all the wars in the history of man. 2. Nationalism - Nationalism is good - nationalism is bad - Extreme nationalism causes war. If you need an example WW l should fit the bill. Extreme nationalism leads to arms races and the "my country, right or wrong" attitude that has been so very prevalent in the past couple of months. 3. Unequal distribution of wealth - the haves and the have nots would have to throw it all in a pot and divide it up equally. I have been told that if this were to happen the haves would have it all back in a short time and the have nots would be in worse shape than when they started. Equal distribution of wealth would lead to unacceptable forms of government - forms that have proven to be unworkable in the past. These are my thoughts - callous as they might appear . __________________ Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, sometimes it's more like a jar of Jalapenos --- what you say or do today might burn your ass tomorrow!!!

05-07-2003, 05:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	On a similar note as The Dude, I 'd like to see a true United Nations. I'd like to see democracy all over the world. I'd like to see the end of religious fundamentalism. I'd like to see peace on earth. I'd like to see a world where everyone is free, everyone is equal, and everyone's rights are respected.

05-07-2003, 06:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
crewsor Women want me. Men fear me. Location: Maryland,USA	True racial harmony. __________________ We all have wings, some of us just don't know why.

05-07-2003, 06:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Simple_Min Insane Location: The Local Group	To see humanity to not attack it self. Forget borders, forget racial religious cultural lines and zoom out and view the Blue Earth for some time and realize that a civilization against it self will not survive long. But... Now, I return to Reality... __________________ If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

05-07-2003, 07:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	Liquor Dealer, I don't mean the organization. That's why I put in the qualifier "true". I agree with your 3 points and hinted at all of them in my post. Of course, I do not think those 3 things will ever happen in my lifetime, but I would sure like to see it.

05-07-2003, 08:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	You know what I'd like to see in my lifetime? Mars. That's it. Just Mars. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

05-07-2003, 08:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	I'd like to see one, just one world leader with something other than his or her own best interests in mind. I'd also like to see an end to the two party system in the US. __________________ it's quiet in here

05-08-2003, 09:44 AM	#14 (permalink)
Nad Adam Psycho Location: Sweden	LD The differences of opinions about the Iraqi war in the EU has been blown out of proportion in the US media to discredit the french and germans. My estimation is 80% of the population in EU(including UK) think that the UK was pussies not to stand up to Bushs respectless rethorics and 19% just don't give a shit. __________________ Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. - Psalms 137:9

05-08-2003, 11:09 AM	#15 (permalink)
drewg Crazy Location: Norway	I'd like to see: THE REVIVAL OF A HEATHEN SCANDINAVIAN EMPIRE!!! hmm... nah, maybe not. 1. An end to the so called Communist regime of China 2. An peacefull sollution to the Isreal/Palestine conflict 3. Democracy and prosparity in the Middle East (prefearably put in place by the people themselves and not by the western world) 4. Democracy and prosparity in Africa 5. Democracy and prosparity for the rest of the poor countries who are neither in Africa nor in the middle east 6. An end to the extreme marketliberalism. More power to the elected governments, less to the multibilliondollar companies. 7. Never again experience a revival of the 80ies. 8. A good Norwegian movie, prefearably something epic. About norse mythology, vikings or knights or something. Well, one can always dream...

05-08-2003, 03:57 PM	#17 (permalink)
Easytiger Insane Location: Tigerland	True religious and racial tolerance- and by tolerance I mean understanding and respect, not merely a lack of active dislike. I think that if we had that, we'd be on the way to achieving a lot of other stuff too.

05-11-2003, 07:33 PM	#19 (permalink)
gibber71 Loser	I'd like to see the supposed heaven just to see if I would change my ways.

05-11-2003, 08:30 PM	#20 (permalink)
charlesesl Psycho	peace in the middle east like that will ever happen __________________ It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. Dr. Viktor E. Frankl

05-15-2003, 09:17 PM	#21 (permalink)
ruggerp11 Cautiously soaring Location: exploring my new home in SF	I would like to see a lot of things that will never happen but here is a few: 1. Our relaince on fossil fuels to go away.... and never come back 2. a manned mission to mars (rock on) 3. an international 30-35 hour (mandated) work week... spend more time with your families 4. world coughUScough conservation. We are nearly at or passed carrying capacity... we need to realize this 5. People to turn off thier TV's and go outside (I think this would be benificial if 3 was mandated and would help 4) 6. a place were people can live and not fear getting sick because medical expenses are too much. 7. A place where I can walk anywhere at 3am and not worry. 8. An international education standard 9. A place where everyone is aware of other cultures (and everyone knows at least two languages) 10..... There are many many more but meh, if I can dream right? __________________ Patriotism means being loyal to your country all the time and to its government when it deserves it. --Mark Twain Do What makes you happy --Me BUT! "Happiness is the absence of the striving for happiness" - Chuang-Tzu

05-19-2003, 04:33 AM	#22 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	...a mass rejection of all religion and all mass media by the world's population. When people are motivated by absurd ideas, they are politically neutralized because they have no ability to think in other than impossibly unrealistic ways. __________________ create evolution

05-19-2003, 04:46 AM	#23 (permalink)
homerhop Insane Location: ÉIRE	A 32 county Republic. All political leaders being held responsible for their wrong doings A force able to punish ANY country for its wrong doings The removal of religion in the running of any country __________________ its evolution baby

05-19-2003, 03:22 PM	#24 (permalink)
Grothendieck Crazy Location: Switzerland	1. The USA banning landmines: http://www.icbl.org/ 2. A fair peace in the Middle East. 3. A European Union that is able to take its humanitarian responsibilities seriously. 4. US world dominace breaking down peacefully and being replaced by a workable World Government. 5. A proof of the Riemann Hypothesis, preferably by myself __________________ Didn't remember how intense love could be... Thank you B.

05-24-2003, 03:29 PM	#25 (permalink)
Frowning Budah Slave of Fear	Leaders of all countries looking after the needs and wants of their people instead of their own wants and needs.

05-24-2003, 05:31 PM	#26 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	Peace in the Middle East. Free Tibet. Man on Mars. Viable Fusion Energy Technology. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

05-26-2003, 04:32 PM	#27 (permalink)
XXXs Upright	Things I'd like to see. 1. A GREAT president. Someone up there with Lincoln. Too bad I don't remember Reagan. 2. A space worthy vehicle. No more shuttle. Too expensive. 3. A cure for AIDS & cancer. 4. Bin Laden's head on a stick. 5. A peaceful middle east (least likely of my choices).

05-28-2003, 03:54 AM	#28 (permalink)
wayne21 Crazy Location: florida	A world where we could all just get along and work for the common goal of saving the earth, explore the star's togeather...

05-28-2003, 04:07 AM	#29 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	I'd like to see a breed of canine take over as the dominant species, since humans are morally corrupt and cannot be trusted to tell the truth, much less run a world-government. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

05-29-2003, 10:03 PM	#30 (permalink)
duckduck Psycho Location: Where hockey pucks run rampant	The end of it. my, aren't I morbid today? __________________ Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way!

05-30-2003, 08:17 AM	#31 (permalink)
ganon Insane Location: in my head	1. the end of communism and socialism in the entire world. 2. an educational system that reflects history accurately instead of politically correct (revisionist) 3. an end to political correctness 4. racial and gender equality based on facts and not politics 5. the dissolution and dismemberment of the united nations 6. the acceptance of peoples right to worship how they want to 7. stopping the current revenue system and switching to a sales tax system 8. stopping property taxes after 10yrs of ownership 9. stopping the use of public education to further political agendas and going back to fundemental skills being taught. 10. complete disolutionment of the NEA 11. a constitutional amendment that changes the 2nd amendment to simply read "the right of the people to possess and bear arms shall not be infringed" __________________ "My give up, my give up." - Jar Jar Binks

05-30-2003, 02:44 PM	#32 (permalink)
Fluk Upright	I'd like to see policies geared towards worldwide, sustained economic growth and social peace. Also: more pragmatic and transparent decision-making, less fundamentalism/populism.