Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > The Academy > Tilted Politics


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 02-15-2005, 09:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: Lisle, IL
U.S. pulling Ambassador out of Syria

CNN is reporting that the US has requested the Ambassador to Syria return to Washington immediately for consultations. The first thing I thought when I read this, was "Fuck! Now were going to start bombing Syria". Anytime this administration starts pulling out it's diplomats you know trouble is brewing. If this is stage 1 of aggression towards Syria, how in the world is President Bush going to sell this to the American People?
Dingo2879 is offline  
Old 02-15-2005, 10:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
Kiss of Death
 
Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow
Well considering Syria has a very active anti-American policy this doesn't equate to onsetting aggression. Plus you couple this with the fact that a huge bomb blew up in Lebanon yesterday killing their former maronite PM, some Lebanese seem to think they (Syria) was involved, also Syria currently is illegally occupying Lebanon. Plus with Saddam diposed the Baathists who are in power in Syria are now the primary facilitators of terror in the region by supporting groups such as Hezbollah and various Palestinian terror groups.
__________________
To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.
Mojo_PeiPei is offline  
Old 02-15-2005, 12:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
pow!
 
clavus's Avatar
 
Location: NorCal
Time to kick some Syrian ass! Alright, since we don't have enough troops to properly attack (due the quagm...er..."intelligence failure" in Iraq), we're going to need some new recruits. Everybody with a neoconservative bumpersticker on your SUV, please step forward...
__________________
Ass, gas or grass. Nobody rides for free.
clavus is offline  
Old 02-15-2005, 12:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
Getting it.
 
Charlatan's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: Lion City
This is a direct response to the bombing in Lebanon... We've done business with the former PMs TV Channel (Future TV) and his people spoke very highly of him...
__________________
"My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars."
- Old Man Luedecke
Charlatan is offline  
Old 02-15-2005, 01:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
Wehret Den Anfängen!
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
I'm still trying to figure out, is Iran or Syria next?

+1 point for Syria.
__________________
Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.
Yakk is offline  
Old 02-15-2005, 01:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
will always be an Alyson Hanniganite
 
Bill O'Rights's Avatar
 
Location: In the dust of the archives
Quote:
Originally Posted by clavus
Time to kick some Syrian ass! Alright, since we don't have enough troops to properly attack (due the quagm...er..."intelligence failure" in Iraq), we're going to need some new recruits. Everybody with a neoconservative bumpersticker on your SUV, please step forward...
Red Staters Unite!!
Uh-huh...y'know...it's getting a little chilly in here. Someone wanna check the door. I think I feel a draft.
__________________
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony

"Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus

It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.
Bill O'Rights is offline  
Old 02-15-2005, 01:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
Junkie
 
filtherton's Avatar
 
Location: In the land of ice and snow.
This is shocking for most iraqi war supporters, i would imagine, because syria recently completely abandoned any links to anything anti-american in direct response to our invasion of iraq. I remember this because it was part of the "invading iraq == world is safer from terrorism" argument.

I myself would be just shocked if i found out syria was just paying the u.s. lipservice. Shocked! But, wait, does that mean that we might not be as "ensafened" by the iraqi invasion as one would have previously rationalized?

Last edited by filtherton; 02-15-2005 at 02:04 PM..
filtherton is offline  
Old 02-15-2005, 01:58 PM   #8 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: Fünland
Just listened to BBC World Service where they interviewed some former british ambassador in the region who didn't really believe that Syria was behind that bomb attack. He thought that it was improbable that Syria wanted to aggravate USA more than necessary. Might be truth behind that argument.
__________________
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face -- forever."
-G.O.
oktjabr is offline  
Old 02-15-2005, 02:03 PM   #9 (permalink)
Junkie
 
Location: bedford, tx
besides this being a response to the recent bombing, might it be that we're expecting Syria to take even more steps to deter terrorists crossing the border?
__________________
"no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."
dksuddeth is offline  
Old 02-15-2005, 11:56 PM   #10 (permalink)
Junk
 
Hmmm.,,, a new group with a new name suddenly wreaks major havoc and no one picks up on it. What was it? I heard it once but was foreign to me, never heard of them.

Since no names role off the collective tongues of those who are 'in the paint,' so to speak regarding their research expertise involving terrorist groups, I say it was an effort to create more tension in the area to further the American Way of doing business.

Let's see. Iraq was a nightmare. North Korea is a crap shoot. Iran might kick some serious butt. Now let's see again. Syria. Yeah you are the winner to be invaded next. Morale will be restored. Israel will further entrench herself as America's greatest ally and life will be as it were in Jimmy Stewart's time.

I love Americans and the American way of life, but for the life of my cynical self, to me this wreaks foul. CIA, Special Forces whatever. This was meant to not fail, which drives my suspicion.

Again, I'm not anti-U.S or an expert in these matters like some of you are but to think it couldn't be possible that the U.S was involved is blind faith. I'm offering 3:2 odds the U.S was up on this deal.

Stupid analysis? Maybe. Possible analysis? Maybe.
__________________
" In Canada, you can tell the most blatant lie in a calm voice, and people will believe you over someone who's a little passionate about the truth." David Warren, Western Standard.
OFKU0 is offline  
Old 02-16-2005, 11:12 AM   #11 (permalink)
Cracking the Whip
 
Lebell's Avatar
 
Location: Sexymama's arms...
moved to Politics.
__________________
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis

The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU!

Please Donate!
Lebell is offline  
Old 02-16-2005, 12:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
Rail Baron
 
stevo's Avatar
 
Location: Tallyfla
Quote:
Originally Posted by filtherton
This is shocking for most iraqi war supporters, i would imagine, because syria recently completely abandoned any links to anything anti-american in direct response to our invasion of iraq. I remember this because it was part of the "invading iraq == world is safer from terrorism" argument.

I myself would be just shocked if i found out syria was just paying the u.s. lipservice. Shocked! But, wait, does that mean that we might not be as "ensafened" by the iraqi invasion as one would have previously rationalized?
I'm not shocked. Who didn't see this coming? They didn't completely abandon any links to anything anti-american, where the hell do you come up with stuff like this? Syria pretends to have a nice face on when looking at the US, but they have been and continue to be involved in terrorism and terrorist activities.
stevo is offline  
Old 02-16-2005, 01:32 PM   #13 (permalink)
NCB
Junkie
 
NCB's Avatar
 
Location: Tobacco Road
I think that the Syrian backed bombing the other day proves that there can be no peace in the region without a change of leadership in Syria. Everyone else believed that Iran held the key, but since the spring of 2003, Syria has worked aggressively to create turmoil in the region. They accepted Saddam govt officials into their country (and possibly, WMDs too). They have armed and paid for insurgents in Iraq. They have now killed the only positive force Lebanon has seen in 30 years.

It's time.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christine Stewart, Former Minister of the Environment of Canada
"No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits.... Climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."
NCB is offline  
Old 02-16-2005, 01:32 PM   #14 (permalink)
Upright
 
i saw on the news today that syria and iran have formed some sort of pact that basically says if the U.S. fucks with either of them they got each others backs.also both countries border iraq.
go-bots is offline  
Old 02-16-2005, 02:09 PM   #15 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: Fünland
Quote:
Originally Posted by NCB
I think that the Syrian backed bombing the other day proves that there can be no peace in the region without a change of leadership in Syria.
How can you prove that Syria backed up the bombing?
__________________
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face -- forever."
-G.O.
oktjabr is offline  
Old 02-16-2005, 02:22 PM   #16 (permalink)
NCB
Junkie
 
NCB's Avatar
 
Location: Tobacco Road
Quote:
Originally Posted by oktjabr
How can you prove that Syria backed up the bombing?
You mean aside from the fact that Hariri was a Syrian enemy, who helped get a UN resolution through to have Syria withdraw from Lebanon (A UN resloution that didn't solve anything?? Blasphemy!!) and demanded to Syria directly that they remove all their troops?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christine Stewart, Former Minister of the Environment of Canada
"No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits.... Climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."
NCB is offline  
Old 02-16-2005, 02:27 PM   #17 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: Fünland
Quote:
Originally Posted by NCB
You mean aside from the fact that Hariri was a Syrian enemy, who helped get a UN resolution through to have Syria withdraw from Lebanon (A UN resloution that didn't solve anything?? Blasphemy!!) and demanded to Syria directly that they remove all their troops?
I'm very sceptical that they would take the risk to piss off USA just to get rid of some silly opposition figure, considering the latest record of interventions US has... then again they of course might be counting on that USA has no army to make any interventions in a while. I'm not saying that they didn't do it, but considering that the region is full of different islamist extremist groups that feel no love for Hariri, I think that directly blaming (without any proof) Syria is jumping into conclusions. Or maybe this is one of those "Iraq has Al-Qaeda-ties"-thing?
__________________
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face -- forever."
-G.O.
oktjabr is offline  
Old 02-16-2005, 02:33 PM   #18 (permalink)
NCB
Junkie
 
NCB's Avatar
 
Location: Tobacco Road
Quote:
Originally Posted by oktjabr
I'm very sceptical that they would take the risk to piss off USA just to get rid of some silly opposition figure, considering the latest record of interventions US has... then again they of course might be counting on that USA has no army to make any interventions in a while. I'm not saying that they didn't do it, but considering that the region is full of different islamist extremist groups that feel no love for Hariri, I think that directly blaming (without any proof) Syria is jumping into conclusions. Or maybe this is one of those "Iraq has Al-Qaeda-ties"-thing?

Knowing what you know about the who Syria/Lebanon thing, who would be your top suspect?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christine Stewart, Former Minister of the Environment of Canada
"No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits.... Climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."
NCB is offline  
Old 02-16-2005, 02:42 PM   #19 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: Fünland
Quote:
Originally Posted by NCB
Knowing what you know about the who Syria/Lebanon thing, who would be your top suspect?
I don't know, maybe some of those islamist extremist groups. Now it is a tricky question whether Syria funded/supported that particular group. I think that this particular region has a long history of non-nation state political/militant actors. But whatever, you are free to hold an opinion that Syria did it. I personally try to avoid jumping into conclusions, even when they seem very convenient to fuel my own world view.
__________________
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face -- forever."
-G.O.
oktjabr is offline  
 

Tags
ambassador, pulling, syria


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:27 PM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360