12-22-2004, 10:02 AM | #41 (permalink) |
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my theory about this, rekna, is that the folk who support the war, and who continue to believe that there was some linkage between saddam hussein an "international terrorism" do so in part because the terminology used seems to reinforce the linkage between the war in iraq and terrorism---if you hear the words juxtaposed enough, as you take in "reality" through television, it is entirely possible that the words used to frame imagery will come to function as necessary. because they "explain" what you are seeing, which is of course a tightly controlled version of what is happening.
so marketing then. you call it a resistance movement and you engender a seperation between the war and its presumed justifications, which in turn might have looped more people back onto the series of falsehoods floated by the administration to justify it, which would in turn probably have lost bush the last election.
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12-22-2004, 10:46 AM | #42 (permalink) | |||||
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<h4>(An aside to thread participants who form their opinions based on the "facts",.....no amount of persuasion will influence those of the pro-Bush pro-war mindset that the invasion and occupation of Iraq were, at the least, deadly and wasteful, tactical deadends and costly mistakes, and at most, criminal acts. It may take the deaths of 58,000 American troops, (that is what it took to wake up the pro-war faction 30+ years ago......)
other peoples' kids.....to wake up Bush's delusional supporters, but the facts ain't gonna do it......)</h4> They have refused to accept the determination of U.S. and U.N. weapons inspectors that there no WMD found in Iraq that legitimized statements made by Bush and his appointees making a case for an invasion of Iraq on grounds that Saddam posed an "imminent threat" to the security of the United States. They have refused to accept the determination by the 9/11 commission and of former CIA director George Tenent that no reliable intelligence exists to legitimize the claim that Saddam was a supporter of and a conspirator with al queda. Quote:
in Iraq are nearly all Iraqis, or that Bush's claim that we are fighting them "there" so that we won't have to fight them "here", has no basis in fact. Quote:
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12-22-2004, 11:35 PM | #43 (permalink) |
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[QUOTE=host]<h4>(An aside to thread participants who form their opinions based on the "facts",.....no amount of persuasion will influence those of the pro-Bush pro-war mindset that the invasion and occupation of Iraq were, at the least, deadly and wasteful, tactical deadends and costly mistakes, and at most, criminal acts. It may take the deaths of 58,000 American troops, (that is what it took to wake up the pro-war faction 30+ years ago......)
other peoples' kids.....to wake up Bush's delusional supporters, but the facts ain't gonna do it......)</h4> Personally, i dont think this should be an "aside". That is the bottom line. Never has this country been so polarized by bush lovers and bush haters. As you said, facts dont matter. One of my favorite expressions is this: Dont bother me with the facts, i know what i know. I just pray to God that this wrong headed war doesnt cost Americans the loss of 57,000 men and women before cheney finally figures out it isnt worth it. |
12-23-2004, 12:21 AM | #44 (permalink) | |
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Look, the reason they are called "insurgents" and not minutemen is because Iraqis themeselves refuse to believe another Iraqi would target civilians who are simply trying to buy a meal for that day with a car bomb. They call their own "minutemen" and "patriots" insurgents, it didnt just start because Bush wanted something easy to call them. |
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12-23-2004, 09:06 AM | #47 (permalink) |
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Facts are definitely in the eye of the beholder when it comes to politics.
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You see, since Bush is relatable with most of the American public, they would believe anything that comes out of his mouth, as well as all the bias non-sense that comes out of the mouth of the media. Ignorance is indeed bliss, until it back-fires, which in time, it will. Quote:
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