wnker85

Hear me out.

I think that Bush blames himself for 9/11. I think that he felt that he dropped the ball. With the report that came out a month before 9/11 saying that OBL wanted to attack America, I think that Bush feels that he should have been proactive before all of this.

I think that he is now trying to fix that mistake (which I do not blame him for. Last time I checked you couldn't take knives onto a plane and that was many years before 9/11) I think that Bush is trying to make sure that no other prez has this happen on his or her (soon to be hopefully, but I hope it's not Hilary) watch.

I do think that this is the right thing to do. And, I will be voting for him this election.

Mephisto2

You think Bush blames himself for 9/11?!!

Hell, I support Kerry and even I don't blame him for 9/11.


Mr Mephisto

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Poor Bush. He must feel just HORRIBLE!

djtestudo

I could see him "blaming" himself to the point that he was President when it happened, but I don't think he loses sleep thinking "Oh my God if only I had..." about it.

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Konichiwaneko

I think the wnker meant well and I'm sorry for all the chiding going on. I can understand his post.

When I get a job, I want to do the best job I can, and if my job was to protect my people and they get attacked like that...I would blame myself.

Speculation if Bush feels that way, yes. I don't know. Yet from when people talk to him, and you see personal interviews...he seems like a very down to earth, simple man, who still has emotions. The smarter you think you are the more unattached and assholeish you are, which is reflected by some of our members it seems.

I know I felt bad during 9/11. Americans died. I like to believe that what Wnker posted was a good honest assesment of how he feels.

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Mephisto2

Well I hope I didn't come across as if I was chiding wnker. I didn't mean that and hope the comment above wasn't referring to me.

I just don't think it's fair to say it's Bush's fault. Lots of things are his fault (in my opinion) but 9/11 isn't one.

If the suggestion is that Bush blames himself because it happened on his watch, then by implication (no, actually by direct assertion) he should also blame himself for every road-death that occurs on his watch, every death due to polution, every death due to murder by assault weapons and most certainly every single death in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But the President cannot be blamed for things that just happen on his watch, if and unless he willfully ignored information or failed to put in place plans and actions to address them. I know some will argue this point with me, but the point I'm trying to make is that he can't personally be blamed. It would have happened no matter who was in the White House. Al Queade attacked America, not Bush.

So, no chiding intended. Just a statement of disagreement.


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Willravel

I won't get into the particulars, but it was probably his fault (see 'mystery of the dissapearing 757', and 'what happened on 9/11' in the paranoia section). He at least had knowledge before hand. I'd feel guilty for killing over 3000 people and lying to the nation, too.

Konichiwaneko

I didn't mean you Mephisto, but wnker writes it in a tone that suggest the President blames himself for 9/11, not people outside blamingh him. That's how it seems to me.

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Ustwo

While you are obviously being sarcastic, you have a short memory if you don't recall Bush meeting with the firemen after 9/11 in terms of how he felt about it.

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maximusveritas

I find it hard to believe that Bush would blame himself for 9-11 when he can't even name a single mistake he's made (other than appointing people who made mistakes). Just today, he sends out Mr.9-11 himself, Rudy Giuliani, to pass the buck onto our brave troops in Iraq instead of admitting he screwed up. When his campaign was found to have doctored an ad, Bush's ad manager stood up and said he takes responsibility since the people who screwed up worked for him. It's too bad President Bush can't find the decency to say the same.

Ustwo

Please keep the tinfoil hat idea about the disappearing 757 where it belongs and not on this board. Its a total joke, and I really have to question anyone’s judgment and intelligence who buys into it.

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Mephisto2

I agree with Ustwo (again!).

Or don't the witnesses who actually saw the plane crash count?

Next we'll be saying that 9/11 itself was a plot by the CIA to garner more power....

Or that the invasion of Iraq was a grab for oil. Hang on... erm... [JOKE!]


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Rdr4evr

Some of you actually believe that Bush genuinely feels bad about what happened on 9/11? Just like he cares about the dead soldiers and civilians, right? Next you're going to tell me that he cares for the poor. If you can't see through his BS and lies.....I really don't know what to say.

Konichiwaneko

aren't you only wrong to yourself if you think you are wrong?

I believe some people think he's wrong, and they have valid points, but what if the president feels like in the end he's right and will be vindicated? Is he wrong if he doesn't see himself that way?

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quicksteal

If Bush ever blamed himself, I hope he's over it by now, at least in the "I blew it" sort of way. Surely he's trying his best to make up for 9/11, leading the war on terror and pressuring the world community to finally do something about terrorism. But I don't think it's given him a complex.

Willravel

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing 'tinfoil' about 9/11 was the explaination. If you think you can dismiss my claims, explain to me how building 7 of the WTC fell. Explain what FEMAs best engineers couldn't explain. If you can simply explain correctly how it fell, I will see that you've actually looked into it, and therefore your opinion will be worth something on the 9/11 conspiracy subject. Otherwise, you come off in the same light as people who vote for Bush because he saved us from terrorism; people who don't do their homework.

BTW, I have a lot of respect for you, Ustwo. You usually have a firm grasp of what's going on and your thoughts on subjects, in this section at least, are certianally worth taking into account. Just to clairify.

archer2371

Truth is that our entire government didn't take terrorism too seriously until 9/11. Jimmy Carter screwed up, Reagan screwed up, HW screwed up, Clinton screwed up, and W screwed up (for eight months) with terrorism, and just never made a decisive action on the matter. In 96, we had the chance to nab bin Laden, the Sudanese wanted off our terror watch list and wanted to give him up, but we wouldn't take him, why, I don't know. Like I said, the government just didn't take it seriously, we did have the Soviet Union as our main enemy and anything else just didn't get the attention that, in hindsight, it needed. Then the Soviet Union fell and we thought everything was going to be hunky dory and then we got caught with our pants down. I don't think it's right to put the blame on any one person in our government for the intel failures and the events on 9/11, we were just feeling complacent, and complacency breeds sloppiness, and it's extremely unfortunate and sad that it took the deaths of 3,000 people to revive our diligence and resolve.

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Konichiwaneko

I think he does.

I could say I think you don't, but I don't know how you feel and don't want to judge you about that. How are you and me to know how others feel? Our assumptions could be off severly.

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Irishsean

Perhaps a better title for this thread could have been found. WHen I saw it, my fangs started to come out until I read it. Maybe, "Does the President blame himself for 9/11?"

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Rdr4evr

Well, when Mr. Bin Laden apparently was the mastermind behind 9/11, and Mr. Bush decides to go bomb innocent people in Iraq who had NOTHING to do with 9/11, killing thousands of civilians, many being children, I doubt he gives a damn about anyone’s life but his own. To hell with him, he is a coward who hid behind daddy when it was HIS turn to serve his country, and is now sending others to their graves.

wnker85

Sorry about that, I was jsut trying to get a thread going.

I watched F9/11 and the quote that Bush let the problems show themselves before he would act, at least while he was Gov here in Texas. And I started thinking that this is something that he holds against Kerry (not being proactive) and i noticed the huge change, and how he didn't look as good as usual in the debates. I was just thinking that all of this has taken its tool on the man, as it would any man.

But in no way would I think that someone should blame Bush for 9/11. If anyone should be blamed it is the screeners that allowed them to take knives onto the plane. I remember not being able to take one of those small swiss army knives with the nail file and the toothpick.. ect.

seretogis

I don't think that Bush blames himself for 9/11, I think that he sees 9/11 as his personal challenge as President. He may even see himself as being placed in the office by a higher power in order to defend the US from her enemies.

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athletics

Blame can be placed on all decsion makers for this, but how much to? Its not an equally shared responsibility. First look at the CIA and FBI. Then Clinton's administration for not being tough on terrorism. Bush did not make it a focal point and I think the public understands why. The culture in the 90's was not one of war or protection. 2001 and the years ahead of us...they are.

And remember, the most important asset America has, is her military. We appreciate every one of them.

Ustwo

Saddly I couldn't find the pictures where he and the fireman were both crying holding each others arms.

I think we can all agree that Bush is a bad actor, thats pretty obvious.

You can say what you want about him, but to say he didn't care about 9/11 is just being hatefilled for hates own sake.

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Rdr4evr

Oh, poor George, my heart is just aching for him. He must be going through hell knowing he is responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians. I still feel bad for him though, he only killed them so they could have a better future. My heart goes out to you Mr. Bush, I don't care how many innocent lives you destroy, as long as you're happy.


Sometimes I think Bush supporters will support him and accept his lies no matter how many deaths he is responsible for or how many aspects of the country he has destroyed. This "man" could kill his supporters' families and they would still probably bow to him like blind puppets. It is beyond comprehension at this point. But then again, who gives a damn about those Iraqis, their lives are not as valuable as our own.

Bustello

The usa has been hated for decades. This could have happened any time.

shakran

Have you been watching this guy? Bush doesn't blame himself for ANYTHING. Even the shit that's obviously his fault.

wnker85

I think that he puts some blame apon himself, thats all.

And, Bush has to show a strong character to the world. HE can not as prez go around going "My bad. I miscalculated the after Iraq era." That shows him a weak leader. To keep showing that he isn't a cowardly leader to the rest of the world he will have to bite the bullet and deal with the problems that face him now, No matter how much greif that he gets from the other side.

And plus if I had everyone telling me the wrong information and I made a decision based on it, I wouldn't call that a mistake on my part. It is a mistake on those telling the infomation. And in the political eye you can not blame your supporters for misleading you (even if the world thought the same thing at the time)