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Mephisto2 · 10-21-2004, 03:30 PM

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Bush predicted no troop deaths: ally
By Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
October 22, 2004

George Bush has suffered an embarrassing rebellion from the ranks, with the founder of the conservative Christian Coalition saying the President had serenely assured him that, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties" in the invasion of Iraq.

In an interview with CNN, Pat Robertson described a conversation with Mr Bush shortly before the war in which Mr Robertson voiced his fears for US troops. "I warned him about this war," Mr Robertson said. "I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, 'Mr President, you had better prepare the American people for casualties'."

However, he said that Mr Bush had replied: "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."

Mr Robertson, a former marine who competed for the Republican presidential nomination in 1988, borrowed a quotation from Mark Twain when he said Mr Bush looked "like a contented Christian with four aces". "I mean, he was just sitting there like, 'I am on top of the world'," Mr Robertson said.

"The Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy," he continued, adding that he wished that Mr Bush would acknowledge his mistake.

Democrats pounced on the chance to make Mr Bush contradict the televangelist, who is a prominent supporter.

"Is Pat Robertson telling the truth when he said you didn't think there'd be any casualties, or is Pat Robertson lying?" Mike McCurry, a spokesman for John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate, asked on the campaign trail in Waterloo, Iowa.

"Of course the President never made such a comment," said Scott McClellan, the White House press secretary.

Karl Rove, Mr Bush's chief political adviser, said that he had attended the meeting in question between Mr Bush and Mr Robertson in Nashville in February last year.

He said that he had not heard those remarks. "I was right there," Mr Rove said.

The rare criticism from Mr Robertson, who otherwise remains an ardent supporter of the White House, was not the only criticism by those claiming proximity to Mr Bush.

Six of his relatives have created a website called bushrelativesforkerry.com dedicated to his defeat. "Because blood is thinner than oil," the front page says. "Please don't vote for our cousin."

The six are all descendants of Mary Bush House, sister of Prescott Bush, founder of the dynasty and George W's grandfather. None has had contact with the President, although a few knew his father, the first president Bush.

They accuse their cousin of gross arrogance, a misplaced sense of entitlement and failing to live up to Christian values.

"As much as I'd like to vote for a relative running for president, I just can't," writes Hilary House.

But the family feud is unlikely to have anything near the impact of the criticism from a figure with Mr Robertson's influence on the Christian right.

He has voiced doubts about the war in the past, but his speaking out now - less than a fortnight before polling day - may be a setback for a Republican election strategy that hinges on turning out 4 million evangelical Christians who stayed at home in 2000.

On Wednesday Mr Robertson did not back away from his comments, but confirmed he continued to support Mr Bush.

The Guardian, The New York Times

REF: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...316793656.html

I'll be perfectly honest and say that I'm surprised at this latest development. One would have thought that an ally would have at least waited until after the election before dropping such a bomb-shell.

I wonder if this will have affect upon his support amongst the religious right?

Thoughts?

Mr Mephisto

Mephisto2 · 10-21-2004, 03:31 PM

PS - That nonesense of bushrelativesforkerry.com is almost embarrassing.

Sheesh... that's all the Democrats need. Some off the wall support from long distant cousins of Bush! LOL

Mr Mephisto

Ustwo · 10-21-2004, 03:37 PM

Thats to nutty to be true, sorry.

Mephisto2 · 10-21-2004, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Thats to nutty to be true, sorry.

What? I'm confused.

Are you actually commenting/contributing to the thread? What's nutty? The sentence or the cousins thingey?

Mr Mephisto

Ustwo · 10-21-2004, 03:53 PM

That GW would have predicted no casualties. Doesn't wash.

docbungle · 10-21-2004, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

That GW would have predicted no casualties. Doesn't wash.

I agree. No one would predict such a thing regarding a war, not even Bush. No casualties is, well, impossible, is it not?

Mephisto2 · 10-21-2004, 04:18 PM

So does that mean you don't think it happened?

I don't know myself, obviously, so I can't really say either way. I'd be surprised if this guy was lying.

Mr Mephisto

jonjon42 · 10-21-2004, 04:25 PM

The question I'm asking if Pat Robertson lied is WHY? why the hell would he call out Bush when Mr. Robertson has been such a huge supporter. It makes no sense. Maybe Mr. Robertson is losing it a little?

I just don't know what to think. The alternative is that the President has no connection to reality....wait a sec

djtestudo · 10-21-2004, 04:27 PM

If you want people to start bringing in the numbers from previous wars again, they would show that technically we haven't had any casualties.

Willravel · 10-21-2004, 04:37 PM

Bush could have said that. He didn't know our specific plans for invasion until right before the attack. He probably thought that we'd just stay on our boats and planes and bomb from a far, and when the dust settled we'd go in and make sure everything was dead. Just like the WMDs, he could have been missinformed.

Ustwo · 10-21-2004, 04:46 PM

I predict......

This will be the ONLY time a liberal would trust what Pat Robertson says.

Willravel · 10-21-2004, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

I predict......

This will be the ONLY time a liberal would trust what Pat Robertson says.

Ahahahahah...well played.

Mephisto2 · 10-21-2004, 05:41 PM

I'm making no judgement on the veracity of his comments at all. I don't even know who he is.

The point of the thread, which may have not been clear, is why do members believe he came out and said this now, especially as he is meant to be a supporter of Bush?

Mr Mephisto

pan6467 · 10-21-2004, 06:14 PM

Good question Mephisto I asked myself that when I read it. Obviously, the GOP on here would rather do their usual and laugh and try to change the topic, rather than ask why, a religious right leader (probably the second biggest in the US, behind Fallwell) would drop something like this. Especially when the man has been preaching Armegeddon's coming for the past 20 years. You'd think he would finally be happy it was here.

It makes no sense unless he truly doesn't want Bush elected. Or he thinks Iraq is going to be a bloodbath (and he is quoted as saying as much.)

Course when anyone says, "God talked to ME and said...." I tend to wonder about the person's sanity. Of course I've always wondered about Pat Robertson's sanity.

MSD · 10-21-2004, 08:38 PM

You lost me after "The Lord told me that ..." The guy is obviously delusional and is probably not accurately recalling the event that he is describing. Even if he is remembering somehting that Bush did say, he is probably not remembering it verbatim.

shakran · 10-21-2004, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

I predict......

This will be the ONLY time a liberal would trust what Pat Robertson says.

If you could set your tedious liberal bashing aside for about three seconds to consider what we have here, I think you and I might just agree on something. Observe:

1) Pat Robertson is a major Bush supporter
2) Pat Robertson claimed Bush said there would be no casualties in the war.

OK, what's wrong with this picture? As you mentioned, if Bush DID say it, he's a flaming nutjob. I'll go farther and say that anyone stupid enough to believe that a war will have no casualties is too moronic to lead a boyscout troop, much less the country. It is difficult to believe that Forrest Gump, much less President Bush, would have said such an appallingly stupid thing.

So if we say Bush didn't say it, then we must conclude that Robertson is not telling the truth about Bush.

That's where it gets really tricky, because Robertson supports Bush. Why would you drop a huge and potentially damaging lie like this on the guy you want to win the election?

That also doesn't make sense. The only logical reason for Robertson to say something like this is that he IS being honest, because if Bush didn't say it, then lying and saying he did would hurt the man he supports. But if Bush DID say it, then telling the truth would, while hurting the man he supports, serve the higher cause of seeking the truth. In other words, it's much more logical to conclude that Robertson is telling the truth than it is to conclude that Robertson is telling a lie.

where you and I might agree is that it's easy to descend into circular logic a'la the Fezzini death scene in the Princess Bride

Where you and I will disagree is that I find more indicators to point to the idea that Bush said it than I find to point to the idea that he did not say it.

After all, the man has a history of making delusional comments. Telling us that major combat operations in Iraq had ended was asinine. They hadn't, and no one who knew anything about the status of the war believed they had.

And that's just one of the many.

So if he's made delusional comments in the past, it's not all that surpising if we find out he's gone and made another.

Kadath · 10-22-2004, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

You lost me after "The Lord told me that ..." The guy is obviously delusional and is probably not accurately recalling the event that he is describing. Even if he is remembering somehting that Bush did say, he is probably not remembering it verbatim.

So it's your contention that a man who declares that God told him something is delusional?

I feel I have to doubt Bush would think there would be no casualties; to believe otherwise would just be too horrifying. I can't fathom that my President could really be so ignorant. But the question then becomes, did Bush lie to Robertson, or is Robertson lying now? The first I can understand why, but the second...what does Robertson have to gain by this defection?

Lebell · 10-22-2004, 05:19 AM

I also am having a very hard time believing that Bush would say there would be no casualties.

Heck, even in peacetime, an army has casualties just from doing army things...

Superbelt · 10-22-2004, 05:31 AM

Lebell, we have this:
-Robertson said that God told him Bush will win in a landslide. Has repeatedly said that Bush is his man and wants him to win because he will push for the same goals. At the very least he Emphatically wants Bush over John Kerry. WHY would he do something that can be used against Bush? This kind of comment, to anyone, makes Bush look like the delusional amateur that some already believe he is.

What POSSIBLE reason would you say Pat would have for making this statement? Pat also made this statement in February of 2003 by the way, about how he expressed concerns to Bush over casualties.

You guys can continue to assert to yourselves that Bush wouldn't say this, but noone can come up with a reason for Pat's statements.

Lebell · 10-22-2004, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Superbelt

Lebell, we have this:
-Robertson said that God told him Bush will win in a landslide. Has repeatedly said that Bush is his man and wants him to win because he will push for the same goals. At the very least he Emphatically wants Bush over John Kerry. WHY would he do something that can be used against Bush? This kind of comment, to anyone, makes Bush look like the delusional amateur that some already believe he is.

What POSSIBLE reason would you say Pat would have for making this statement? Pat also made this statement in February of 2003 by the way, about how he expressed concerns to Bush over casualties.

You guys can continue to assert to yourselves that Bush wouldn't say this, but noone can come up with a reason for Pat's statements.

Honestly?

Because I think Robertson has the characteristics of what Colorado squirrels store away for the winter.

Superbelt · 10-22-2004, 05:42 AM

Heh! Then how poorly does that reflect on Bush, who on a weekly basis consults with Robertson over domestic and foreign policy?

Lebell · 10-22-2004, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Superbelt

Heh! Then how poorly does that reflect on Bush, who on a weekly basis consults with Robertson over domestic and foreign policy?

To quote someone else, "This vexes me".

Oh, how I long for a viable third party*!

*one that agrees with me that is...

Superbelt · 10-22-2004, 06:02 AM

I really feel sorry for you that the best you think you can do is to (hold your nose) and vote for Bush.

Why aren't you considering a third party vote? You appear to believe both candidates are the evil. So why not vote anti-evil? Do you really think Kerry is that much worse for america than someone who gets counselled by Robertson and Falwell?

At the very least you could see a Kerry Presidency as one of divided government. A divided government always seems to mitigate bad decisions.
You can't build a viable third party without voting for them. It has to start somewhere.

Killconey · 10-22-2004, 06:48 AM

This is a perfect example of why I have never liked Pat Robertson. If have ever been morbidly curious enough, bored or flipping through channels and caught the 700 Club, you'll notice that they have a section devoted to faith healings where the members will randomly talk about some obscure ailment, say that that person is being cured and hope that they are right. I figure Robertson was doing the same thing here: talk boldly first, wait to find out if you're right later.

aliali · 10-22-2004, 07:47 AM

Let's get a list of people who honestly believe that the conversation occurred as Pat described and then we can see which of his other statements over the years they agree with or believe.

Superbelt · 10-22-2004, 08:01 AM

That's disingenuous. Of course most of us would NOT believe him on general principle. But Bush is his preference, and to him Kerry is hellbound. Why would he sabotage his own interests?

roachboy · 10-22-2004, 08:12 AM

you would think that everything about this story would be a deep embarrassment to bush. that the conversation is even possible should be an embarrassment. i am agnostic on the matter of whether it did or did not occur in fact--but that such a conversation is plausible, that questions of sending a country to war are being debated, even hypothetically, across the question of messages from some god is amazing.

if bush's "resoluteness" is a function of his getting messages from god, then what good is it? why and for whom does this kind of information function as reassuring?

Ustwo · 10-22-2004, 08:57 AM

We are talking about Pat Robertson here, a person who the left thinks of as a nut job.

Except if he says something that might be bad for Bush, then he is speaking the Gods honnest truth.

I don't know what motivates Robertson, I don't know if he is all there, hell he might have THOUGHT he heard it, but since the idea is so fucking stupid the only question is what the hell is up with Pat Robertson, he might have well have said 'weasels crawl out of my anus' on national television. It has nothing to do with Bush.

Superbelt · 10-22-2004, 09:14 AM

The man you plan to vote in as President listens to the POLICY advice, weekly of a man you believe is likely to say "Weasels crawl out of my anus"?

Haha! Either way this looks bad for anyone who supports Bush. It's really a dime in one hand and ten pennies in the other.

shakran · 10-22-2004, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Superbelt

The man you plan to vote in as President listens to the POLICY advice, weekly of a man you believe is likely to say "Weasels crawl out of my anus"?

Haha! Either way this looks bad for anyone who supports Bush. It's really a dime in one hand and ten pennies in the other.

Agreed. Either you think Robertson is telling the truth, in which case bush is nuts, or you believe Robertson is insane, in which case Bush is taking weekly advice from a nutjob. Either way, It's a mark on Bush.

MSD · 10-22-2004, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

We are talking about Pat Robertson here, a person who the left thinks of as a nut job.

Except if he says something that might be bad for Bush, then he is speaking the Gods honnest truth.

I still think he's a nutjob, I just can't figure out what his motive might be for making that statement.

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Originally Posted by Kadath

So it's your contention that a man who declares that God told him something is delusional?

In a word: Yes.
In two words: Yes, schizophrenia.

joe69 · 10-22-2004, 11:45 AM

go bush. go bush.

filtherton · 10-22-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

We are talking about Pat Robertson here, a person who the left thinks of as a nut job.

Except if he says something that might be bad for Bush, then he is speaking the Gods honnest truth.

I don't know what motivates Robertson, I don't know if he is all there, hell he might have THOUGHT he heard it, but since the idea is so fucking stupid the only question is what the hell is up with Pat Robertson, he might have well have said 'weasels crawl out of my anus' on national television. It has nothing to do with Bush.

I don't think robertson is a liar, i just think he is a fucking moron. One doesn't imply the other, although in the case of our president i think both are true. There is a difference between having delusions of one's own importance in the eyes of god and being a liar. Indeed, i think robertson is telling the truth because he thinks he is acting on behalf of god. That means he thinks whatever he does is ordained by god, just like your man bush. Since robertson is never up for reelection, he doesn't have to worry about sucking the cock of special interests and can therefore say whatever the hell he feels needs to be said.

wnker85 · 10-22-2004, 12:38 PM

Could it also be someone out to discredit both Mr. Bush and Robertson? Reporters are ruthless and most likely took Robertson out of context. I bet that he thought there would not be too many casualties, and Robertson forgot that tiny detail in the interview. And, how he talks to God; could it be prayer? Most people Christians talk to God this way and no one thinks that they are crazy.

But, I do not like Robertson or respect him. I think he has “gross arrogance, a misplaced sense of entitlement and failing to live up to Christian values” He is playing on people's faith to gain money and power for himself. He is trying to become the Pope of the Protestant peoples

The simplest answer is usually the right one.

pan6467 · 10-22-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Superbelt

That's disingenuous. Of course most of us would NOT believe him on general principle. But Bush is his preference, and to him Kerry is hellbound. Why would he sabotage his own interests?

That's the BIG question and noone seems to be able to answer it. All people on here can say is "Pat Robertson is a nut job." NO SHIT, but the man has one of the largest most loyal followings of ANY public figure in the US. It's also funny how the right will point to him and try to appease him and Falwell when they are "good GOP Christians" but the second something like this is said those same old GOPer's turn their back and say, "always knew he was nuts." Then why does Bush consult him?

This is just a wild guess at maybe why Robertson would say something that could sabatoge Bush..... Perhaps, they decided to try to make Bush look not so religious that even some right winged religious zealots disagree with Bush. But if that were the case I would think they'd look at a minor issue.

P.S. My aunt, who was a cartoonist for H&B in the late 60's through 80's, is/was a bigwig in the CBN/700 Club animation department. Know it was big when they had a cable channel and did a bunch of religious cartoons. think they are all straight to video and sold through church catalogues now. I don't know much. Haven't talked to her in a few years, invited her to the wedding but she declined, but sent money.

Just remember when I was stationed in Norfolk she gave me a tour of CBN. And when I was a kid I would get H&B cels of cartoons like Hong Kong Phooey and Laff Olympics and so on. Still have them somewhere at my mom's.

Sorry for the thread jack but I thought it interesting to tell.

pan6467 · 10-22-2004, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wnker85

Could it also be someone out to discredit both Mr. Bush and Robertson? Reporters are ruthless and most likely took Robertson out of context. I bet that he thought there would not be too many casualties, and Robertson forgot that tiny detail in the interview. And, how he talks to God; could it be prayer? Most people Christians talk to God this way and no one thinks that they are crazy.

But, I do not like Robertson or respect him. I think he has “gross arrogance, a misplaced sense of entitlement and failing to live up to Christian values” He is playing on people's faith to gain money and power for himself. He is trying to become the Pope of the Protestant peoples

The simplest answer is usually the right one.

I thought the same thing when I heard this. Then I heard PR had said it on camera and had not denied saying it or that it had been taken out of context. Sooooo......

This election just keeps getting stranger and stranger. I want Kerry to win and am voting for him but I'm at the point where I just want the shit to end.

wnker85 · 10-22-2004, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

I thought the same thing when I heard this. Then I heard PR had said it on camera and had not denied saying it or that it had been taken out of context. Sooooo......

This election just keeps getting stranger and stranger. I want Kerry to win and am voting for him but I'm at the point where I just want the shit to end.

Well I am fresh out of ideas

DJ Happy · 10-24-2004, 04:32 AM

Maybe they're both nutjobs.

maximusveritas · 10-24-2004, 01:33 PM

Of course, President Bush didn't literally mean there would be zero casualties.
No, its much worse than that.
The problem with President Bush and his supporters is that they refuse to face the reality of the cost of this war: more than 1000 American soldiers dead, thousands more maimed, and thousands of Iraqi civilians dead. They don't want to hear the names of these people, they don't want to see their pictures on TV, they just want to pretend that they never existed. I'm sorry, but I just can't do that.

Xenomorph · 10-24-2004, 01:42 PM

Some twat wants attention, attributes outrageous yet unverifiable quote to celebrity figure.

News at 11.

10-21-2004, 03:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Thats to nutty to be true, sorry. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-21-2004, 03:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	That GW would have predicted no casualties. Doesn't wash. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-21-2004, 04:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
jonjon42 Psycho Location: inside my own mind	The question I'm asking if Pat Robertson lied is WHY? why the hell would he call out Bush when Mr. Robertson has been such a huge supporter. It makes no sense. Maybe Mr. Robertson is losing it a little? I just don't know what to think. The alternative is that the President has no connection to reality....wait a sec __________________ A damn dirty hippie without the dirty part....

10-21-2004, 04:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	If you want people to start bringing in the numbers from previous wars again, they would show that technically we haven't had any casualties. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

10-21-2004, 04:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	I predict...... This will be the ONLY time a liberal would trust what Pat Robertson says. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-21-2004, 03:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	PS - That nonesense of bushrelativesforkerry.com is almost embarrassing. Sheesh... that's all the Democrats need. Some off the wall support from long distant cousins of Bush! LOL Mr Mephisto

10-21-2004, 04:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	So does that mean you don't think it happened? I don't know myself, obviously, so I can't really say either way. I'd be surprised if this guy was lying. Mr Mephisto

10-21-2004, 04:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Bush could have said that. He didn't know our specific plans for invasion until right before the attack. He probably thought that we'd just stay on our boats and planes and bomb from a far, and when the dust settled we'd go in and make sure everything was dead. Just like the WMDs, he could have been missinformed.

10-21-2004, 05:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	I'm making no judgement on the veracity of his comments at all. I don't even know who he is. The point of the thread, which may have not been clear, is why do members believe he came out and said this now, especially as he is meant to be a supporter of Bush? Mr Mephisto

10-21-2004, 06:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Good question Mephisto I asked myself that when I read it. Obviously, the GOP on here would rather do their usual and laugh and try to change the topic, rather than ask why, a religious right leader (probably the second biggest in the US, behind Fallwell) would drop something like this. Especially when the man has been preaching Armegeddon's coming for the past 20 years. You'd think he would finally be happy it was here. It makes no sense unless he truly doesn't want Bush elected. Or he thinks Iraq is going to be a bloodbath (and he is quoted as saying as much.) Course when anyone says, "God talked to ME and said...." I tend to wonder about the person's sanity. Of course I've always wondered about Pat Robertson's sanity. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 10-21-2004 at 06:16 PM..

10-21-2004, 08:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	You lost me after "The Lord told me that ..." The guy is obviously delusional and is probably not accurately recalling the event that he is describing. Even if he is remembering somehting that Bush did say, he is probably not remembering it verbatim.

10-22-2004, 05:19 AM	#18 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I also am having a very hard time believing that Bush would say there would be no casualties. Heck, even in peacetime, an army has casualties just from doing army things... __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

10-22-2004, 05:31 AM	#19 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Lebell, we have this: -Robertson said that God told him Bush will win in a landslide. Has repeatedly said that Bush is his man and wants him to win because he will push for the same goals. At the very least he Emphatically wants Bush over John Kerry. WHY would he do something that can be used against Bush? This kind of comment, to anyone, makes Bush look like the delusional amateur that some already believe he is. What POSSIBLE reason would you say Pat would have for making this statement? Pat also made this statement in February of 2003 by the way, about how he expressed concerns to Bush over casualties. You guys can continue to assert to yourselves that Bush wouldn't say this, but noone can come up with a reason for Pat's statements.

10-22-2004, 05:42 AM	#21 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Heh! Then how poorly does that reflect on Bush, who on a weekly basis consults with Robertson over domestic and foreign policy?

10-22-2004, 06:02 AM	#23 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	I really feel sorry for you that the best you think you can do is to (hold your nose) and vote for Bush. Why aren't you considering a third party vote? You appear to believe both candidates are the evil. So why not vote anti-evil? Do you really think Kerry is that much worse for america than someone who gets counselled by Robertson and Falwell? At the very least you could see a Kerry Presidency as one of divided government. A divided government always seems to mitigate bad decisions. You can't build a viable third party without voting for them. It has to start somewhere. Last edited by Superbelt; 10-22-2004 at 06:05 AM..

10-22-2004, 06:48 AM	#24 (permalink)
Killconey Crazy Location: Various places in the Midwest, all depending on when I'm posting.	This is a perfect example of why I have never liked Pat Robertson. If have ever been morbidly curious enough, bored or flipping through channels and caught the 700 Club, you'll notice that they have a section devoted to faith healings where the members will randomly talk about some obscure ailment, say that that person is being cured and hope that they are right. I figure Robertson was doing the same thing here: talk boldly first, wait to find out if you're right later. __________________ Look out for numbers two and up and they'll look out for you.

10-22-2004, 07:47 AM	#25 (permalink)
aliali Insane Location: Missouri	Let's get a list of people who honestly believe that the conversation occurred as Pat described and then we can see which of his other statements over the years they agree with or believe.

10-22-2004, 08:01 AM	#26 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	That's disingenuous. Of course most of us would NOT believe him on general principle. But Bush is his preference, and to him Kerry is hellbound. Why would he sabotage his own interests?

10-22-2004, 08:12 AM	#27 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	you would think that everything about this story would be a deep embarrassment to bush. that the conversation is even possible should be an embarrassment. i am agnostic on the matter of whether it did or did not occur in fact--but that such a conversation is plausible, that questions of sending a country to war are being debated, even hypothetically, across the question of messages from some god is amazing. if bush's "resoluteness" is a function of his getting messages from god, then what good is it? why and for whom does this kind of information function as reassuring? __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

10-22-2004, 08:57 AM	#28 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	We are talking about Pat Robertson here, a person who the left thinks of as a nut job. Except if he says something that might be bad for Bush, then he is speaking the Gods honnest truth. I don't know what motivates Robertson, I don't know if he is all there, hell he might have THOUGHT he heard it, but since the idea is so fucking stupid the only question is what the hell is up with Pat Robertson, he might have well have said 'weasels crawl out of my anus' on national television. It has nothing to do with Bush. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-22-2004, 09:14 AM	#29 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	The man you plan to vote in as President listens to the POLICY advice, weekly of a man you believe is likely to say "Weasels crawl out of my anus"? Haha! Either way this looks bad for anyone who supports Bush. It's really a dime in one hand and ten pennies in the other.

10-22-2004, 11:45 AM	#32 (permalink)
joe69 Upright	go bush. go bush.

10-22-2004, 12:38 PM	#34 (permalink)
wnker85 Registered User	Could it also be someone out to discredit both Mr. Bush and Robertson? Reporters are ruthless and most likely took Robertson out of context. I bet that he thought there would not be too many casualties, and Robertson forgot that tiny detail in the interview. And, how he talks to God; could it be prayer? Most people Christians talk to God this way and no one thinks that they are crazy. But, I do not like Robertson or respect him. I think he has “gross arrogance, a misplaced sense of entitlement and failing to live up to Christian values” He is playing on people's faith to gain money and power for himself. He is trying to become the Pope of the Protestant peoples The simplest answer is usually the right one.

10-24-2004, 04:32 AM	#38 (permalink)
DJ Happy Psycho	Maybe they're both nutjobs.

10-24-2004, 01:33 PM	#39 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	Of course, President Bush didn't literally mean there would be zero casualties. No, its much worse than that. The problem with President Bush and his supporters is that they refuse to face the reality of the cost of this war: more than 1000 American soldiers dead, thousands more maimed, and thousands of Iraqi civilians dead. They don't want to hear the names of these people, they don't want to see their pictures on TV, they just want to pretend that they never existed. I'm sorry, but I just can't do that.

10-24-2004, 01:42 PM	#40 (permalink)
Xenomorph Crazy Location: St. Louis, MO	Some twat wants attention, attributes outrageous yet unverifiable quote to celebrity figure. News at 11. __________________ The facehugger is short-lived outside the egg which normally protects it. Armed with a long grasping tail, a spray of highly-concentrated acid and the single-minded desire to impregnate a single selected prey using its extending probe, it will fearlessly pursue and attack a single selected target until it has succeeded in attachment or it or its target is dead