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MSD · 09-13-2004, 07:22 PM

This one deserves its own thread. Journeyman posted a link to this in my "Fuck CNN" thread

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http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a393009843f7b.htm
The story U.S. Senator Feinstein was promoting at the anti-gun news conference made all the big papers and TV networks. But you had to be there to see the incident that stole the show.

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Forth Worth Star-Telegram columnist Jill Labbe wrote, “Guns (are) nowhere as dangerous as liberals who can’t handle them. There stood Dianne Feinstein, the anti-gun senator from California, posing for all the nation’s media to capture on Kodachrome, holding an AK-47 with her finger firmly planted on the trigger. Here’s a woman so concerned about the supposed recklessness of gun manufacturers…who wouldn’t know firearm safety if it bit her in the end of her upturned San Franciscan nose.”

The reporters, dignitaries and innocent bystanders packed into the room were too ignorant to be terrified as Feinstein swept the crowd with the muzzle of the automatic rife, bold closed, finger on the trigger, high-capacity magazine locked in place.

San Francisco resident William A. Levinson wrote a certified letter to Mayor Willie Brown, Jr., demanding legal action against the blatant gun safety violations of the illustrious “Ms. Gun Control,” who holds a rare California concealed weapons permit.

When asked earlier why she carried that .38 Smith & Wesson concealed in her purse while promoting gun control for the rest of us, Feinstein answered, “I know the urge to arm yourself because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. I’d walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me.”

Only a couple of months earlier, however, Feinstein has gone on 60 Minutes to announce, “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out-right ban…I would have done it.”

It's sadly ironic that the vast majority of anti-gun legislators (and celebrities) carry concealed weapons and are surrounded by armed guards.

It's bad enough that she would get an AK-47 to promote a law that does not cover that weapon, but to sweep it across the crowd is inexcusible. Reckless endangerment is the least of what she did there. If I walked in at that moment and saw an AK-47 pointed directly at me by someone with her finger on the trigger, my instantaneous assessment of the situation would be that my life (not to mention the lives of dozens of others in the room) is in immediate danger.

Seaver · 09-13-2004, 08:24 PM

1) Treat every weapon as if it was loaded.
2) Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
3) Always be sure of your target and what is behind it.
4) Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire.

How fucking hard is it to follow these instructions? She wants to take guns away from people who know these by heart, while it's perfectly ok for her to carry it herself when she doesnt even know ONE of the damn rules.

Ustwo · 09-13-2004, 08:44 PM

The hypocrisy of the Democratic party is limitless.

To quote the late Frank Herbert, 'every liberal is a closet aristocrat'. The ‘common man’ shouldn’t have access to such things, but you see they are special and they need it to protect themselves. They are exempt from their own laws because they are much smarter then you and they know better.

Journeyman · 09-13-2004, 08:46 PM

Yeah I read that back in the day. The rexes in the article were the actual photos of Sen. Feinstein with her finger on the trigger.

Oh, here we go.

Rekna · 09-13-2004, 08:48 PM

And the hypocrisy of the republicans is????? Let's make sure everyone can have guns..... after all the 2nd amendment says people should be able to have assualt rifles. But let's take away everyones privacy rights through the patriot act. While were at it lets try and make a patriot 2 act that allows the US government to strip anyones citizenship from them without due process.

seretogis · 09-14-2004, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

To quote the late Frank Herbert, 'every liberal is a closet aristocrat'. The ‘common man’ shouldn’t have access to such things, but you see they are special and they need it to protect themselves. They are exempt from their own laws because they are much smarter then you and they know better.

Agreed, yet I don't see the Republicans doing much better in this department.. Neither the Republican or Democrat parties are about individual freedom anymore.

MSD · 09-14-2004, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by seretogis

Agreed, yet I don't see the Republicans doing much better in this department.. Neither the Republican or Democrat parties are about individual freedom anymore.

Yeah, what he said. Politicians are self-interested and out of touch with the common man. I'd like to see this change in my lifetime.

FoolThemAll · 09-14-2004, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rekna

And the hypocrisy of the republicans is????? Let's make sure everyone can have guns..... after all the 2nd amendment says people should be able to have assualt rifles. But let's take away everyones privacy rights through the patriot act. While were at it lets try and make a patriot 2 act that allows the US government to strip anyones citizenship from them without due process.

That's kinda a stretch if you're looking for hypocrisy. Good if you're looking for bad ideology in action, but I'm not seeing a link here.

Ustwo · 09-14-2004, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by seretogis

Agreed, yet I don't see the Republicans doing much better in this department.. Neither the Republican or Democrat parties are about individual freedom anymore.

I basicly agree with you BUT who let the assault ban expire

hrdwareguy · 09-14-2004, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

I basicly agree with you BUT who let the assault ban expire

That would be the democrats. They didn't want to force a vote and have it pass then have everyone get pissed and vote republican in November.

Back to Feinstein, I believe that is a class A felony pointing a firearm for each and every person in the room whom was swept.

crthiel · 09-14-2004, 08:50 AM

Post deleted due to the pointless conversation that would have resulted.

onetime2 · 09-14-2004, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hrdwareguy

That would be the democrats. They didn't want to force a vote and have it pass then have everyone get pissed and vote republican in November.

Back to Feinstein, I believe that is a class A felony pointing a firearm for each and every person in the room whom was swept.

Can you explain how it is the Democrats would have gotten that through Congress and Bush?

Superbelt · 09-14-2004, 09:30 AM

Because it is a scare tactic bill that many legislators, Democrats and Republicans are afraid to vote against.

"My opponent voted to allow deadly assault weapons on our streets. Now your children are less safe and more likely to be brought down in a hail of gunfire. Vote for me and I will work to ensure your safety by pushing for a new ban on Assault weapons. I don't want these dangerous weapons to fall in the hands of terrorists."

And Bush is on record saying that if a renewal of the ban passes his desk he will sign it.

Superbelt · 09-14-2004, 09:54 AM

Some Democrats and several police leaders said President Bush should try to persuade Congress to renew the ban. Bush has said he would sign such a bill if Congress passed it.

_________________________
Ashcroft: "It is my understanding that the president-elect of the United States has indicated his clear support for extending the assault weapons ban, and I will be pleased to move forward with that position." [Confirmation Hearing, Senate Judiciary Committee, 1/17/01]

_________________________
If you've been longing for your very own assault rifle and 30-round magazine for the next holiday season, you're in luck.

President Bush, sidestepping a promise, is allowing the ban on assault rifles and oversized clips to expire on Sept. 14.

...President Bush promised in the last presidential campaign to support an extension of the ban, which was put in place in 1994 for 10 years. "It makes no sense for assault weapons to be around our society," Mr. Bush observed at the time.

These days Mr. Bush still says that he'll sign an extension of the ban if it happens to reach his desk. But he knows that the only way the ban can be extended on time is if he actually urges its passage, and he refuses to do that.LINK

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Both Presidential candidates are morons in relation to the Assault Weapons Ban. And these links shows Bush can pander and flip-flop for votes with the best of them. What IS his position on "Assault" Weapons anyway? Does he have one?

Ustwo · 09-14-2004, 10:44 AM

Which party controlls congress

Which canidate is slamming the other for letting the ban expire

Which party is supported by the NRA

So either the republicans let it expire.........

Or

The democrats let it expire so they can blame Bush for it expiring......

Choose as you wish.

Lebell · 09-14-2004, 11:03 AM

Please.

The democrats are the majority supporting the renewel of the ban.

We all know it.

To say otherwise is just playing sophist word games.

Superbelt · 09-14-2004, 11:07 AM

Answers to Ustwo's questions.

1) Republicans

2) Kerry and GWBush '00 are both slamming GWBush '04 actually.

3) Both, Though overwhelmingly Republican in party donations.

Some Republicans are letting it expire and many Democrats are happy with this as well. If there was a concerted effort by the Democrats to bring this to a vote I guarantee you would find a sizeable majority voting in favor of the ban, and Bush's signature.

Hell, Even the conservative messiah, Ronald Reagan Supported the Assault Weapons Ban in 1994
Not just that, he lobbied for the law.

Lebell, I think we would all be surprised to see where people really lay on this issue. Many who are personally against it might only vote for it because of recent polling that 71% of americans are in favor of it's continuation. Other than that I don't think there is any real difference between the parties outside of the more bombastic leaders.

davik · 09-14-2004, 11:19 AM

It's amazing how most people (especially those who are anti-gun) have absolutely no concept of gun safety; I grew up with guns, learned to shoot young, and alot of my friends shoot. Two of my friends here carry all the time, and I feel a hell of a lot safer for having them around. That being said, as much as I value the right to own guns I'd rather gnaw my own arm off at the wrist than vote republican, which isn't to say the democrats are much better, but atleast they won't be shoving their religion down my throat. If only the libertarians had a chance of getting in to office.

Shameless · 09-14-2004, 11:25 AM

The expression of the woman in the background of the picture of Feinstein seems to be one of bottomless despair and disenchantment smothered in spicy concern sauce. I think that would be my emotional reaction, rather than any real fear. I don't see the AK the Sen. holds putting holes in anything except her rhetoric.

And I don't see the outcry against her for committing this felony going much further than internet forums and rarely-watched half-hour political analysis shows.

Big Cholla · 09-14-2004, 11:39 AM

The AWB was one of those "little bites" out of the 2nd Amendment that the liberals like to take hoping that it will lead to a much bigger bite later on. In this case it didn't lead to much of anything. Contrary to what the liberal media and a couple of anti-gun Senators want you to believe the following items have been legally available to the American public in one form or another for the entire span of the AWB; black rifles with box magazines, rifles with pistol grips, magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds, folding and/or collapsing stocks, rifles with bayonet lugs, rifles with flash hiders and rifles with threaded barrels. In addition to those items, the American public can and could legally buy and use full auto weapons (in most states), sound suppressors (known as silencers), and short barreled rifles and shotguns. They just have to live in the right state, have the money, be eligible legally and follow the Tax law and BATF rules.

Lebell · 09-14-2004, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Superbelt

Lebell, I think we would all be surprised to see where people really lay on this issue. Many who are personally against it might only vote for it because of recent polling that 71% of americans are in favor of it's continuation. Other than that I don't think there is any real difference between the parties outside of the more bombastic leaders.

I personally wouldn't be surprised because I followed the votes in congress quite closely this summer, particularly when they attached the renewal as a rider to the gun manufacturer's liability bill.

Without digging the numbers up, the support was overwhelmingly democrat with enough repubs joining in to attach the rider...and then the entire bill was torpedoed by both sides.

Yes, Bush has publically stated he would sign a bill, but he has also been very silent towards congress about getting such a bill to his desk. In otherwords, he's playing politics. He can say to the gun grabbers, "see, I supported your bill" without overly pissing off the NRA (although he still has done that).

Strange Famous · 09-14-2004, 12:32 PM

I have to say I do find the philistine strand of right wing politics as disturbing as the "ivory towers" that they attack.

Lebell · 09-14-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

I have to say I do find the philistine strand of right wing politics as disturbing as the "ivory towers" that they attack.

I have to confess that this left me scratching my head.

In what way do you mean "philistine" and what "strand"?

And what "ivory tower(s)"?

(btw, I like your new sig line.)

seretogis · 09-14-2004, 01:09 PM

It doesn't matter who "let the AWB expire" -- GWB would have signed it, and that is very disturbing. Aren't Republicans supposed to be against gun control legislation which doesn't serve any purpose?

At least locally, the seeds of panic that the media/Democrats have sown over the AWB expiration are being paired up with reasonable people revealing the AWB as the political do-nothing nonsense which it is. That's a good sign that maybe the general populace has smartened up about gun control and it will be left alone for a while.

hrdwareguy · 09-15-2004, 06:47 AM

OK, I just found this out, but it should also be pointed out that this article is from June of 2000. It seems we are a bit behind the times here.

09-13-2004, 08:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	The hypocrisy of the Democratic party is limitless. To quote the late Frank Herbert, 'every liberal is a closet aristocrat'. The ‘common man’ shouldn’t have access to such things, but you see they are special and they need it to protect themselves. They are exempt from their own laws because they are much smarter then you and they know better. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

09-14-2004, 08:50 AM	#11 (permalink)
crthiel Upright	Post deleted due to the pointless conversation that would have resulted. Last edited by crthiel; 09-14-2004 at 08:57 AM..

09-14-2004, 09:54 AM	#14 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Some Democrats and several police leaders said President Bush should try to persuade Congress to renew the ban. Bush has said he would sign such a bill if Congress passed it. _________________________ Ashcroft: "It is my understanding that the president-elect of the United States has indicated his clear support for extending the assault weapons ban, and I will be pleased to move forward with that position." [Confirmation Hearing, Senate Judiciary Committee, 1/17/01] _________________________ If you've been longing for your very own assault rifle and 30-round magazine for the next holiday season, you're in luck. President Bush, sidestepping a promise, is allowing the ban on assault rifles and oversized clips to expire on Sept. 14. ...President Bush promised in the last presidential campaign to support an extension of the ban, which was put in place in 1994 for 10 years. "It makes no sense for assault weapons to be around our society," Mr. Bush observed at the time. These days Mr. Bush still says that he'll sign an extension of the ban if it happens to reach his desk. But he knows that the only way the ban can be extended on time is if he actually urges its passage, and he refuses to do that.LINK -------- Both Presidential candidates are morons in relation to the Assault Weapons Ban. And these links shows Bush can pander and flip-flop for votes with the best of them. What IS his position on "Assault" Weapons anyway? Does he have one? Last edited by Superbelt; 09-14-2004 at 09:59 AM..

09-14-2004, 10:44 AM	#15 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Which party controlls congress Which canidate is slamming the other for letting the ban expire Which party is supported by the NRA So either the republicans let it expire......... Or The democrats let it expire so they can blame Bush for it expiring...... Choose as you wish. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

09-14-2004, 11:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	Please. The democrats are the majority supporting the renewel of the ban. We all know it. To say otherwise is just playing sophist word games. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

09-13-2004, 08:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	1) Treat every weapon as if it was loaded. 2) Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot. 3) Always be sure of your target and what is behind it. 4) Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire. How fucking hard is it to follow these instructions? She wants to take guns away from people who know these by heart, while it's perfectly ok for her to carry it herself when she doesnt even know ONE of the damn rules.

09-13-2004, 08:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
Journeyman Like John Goodman, but not. Location: SFBA, California	Yeah I read that back in the day. The rexes in the article were the actual photos of Sen. Feinstein with her finger on the trigger. Oh, here we go.

09-13-2004, 08:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	And the hypocrisy of the republicans is????? Let's make sure everyone can have guns..... after all the 2nd amendment says people should be able to have assualt rifles. But let's take away everyones privacy rights through the patriot act. While were at it lets try and make a patriot 2 act that allows the US government to strip anyones citizenship from them without due process.

09-14-2004, 09:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Because it is a scare tactic bill that many legislators, Democrats and Republicans are afraid to vote against. "My opponent voted to allow deadly assault weapons on our streets. Now your children are less safe and more likely to be brought down in a hail of gunfire. Vote for me and I will work to ensure your safety by pushing for a new ban on Assault weapons. I don't want these dangerous weapons to fall in the hands of terrorists." And Bush is on record saying that if a renewal of the ban passes his desk he will sign it.

09-14-2004, 11:07 AM	#17 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Answers to Ustwo's questions. 1) Republicans 2) Kerry and GWBush '00 are both slamming GWBush '04 actually. 3) Both, Though overwhelmingly Republican in party donations. Some Republicans are letting it expire and many Democrats are happy with this as well. If there was a concerted effort by the Democrats to bring this to a vote I guarantee you would find a sizeable majority voting in favor of the ban, and Bush's signature. Hell, Even the conservative messiah, Ronald Reagan Supported the Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 Not just that, he lobbied for the law. Lebell, I think we would all be surprised to see where people really lay on this issue. Many who are personally against it might only vote for it because of recent polling that 71% of americans are in favor of it's continuation. Other than that I don't think there is any real difference between the parties outside of the more bombastic leaders. Last edited by Superbelt; 09-14-2004 at 11:11 AM..

09-14-2004, 11:19 AM	#18 (permalink)
davik Irradiation for fun and profit Location: Controlled access area	It's amazing how most people (especially those who are anti-gun) have absolutely no concept of gun safety; I grew up with guns, learned to shoot young, and alot of my friends shoot. Two of my friends here carry all the time, and I feel a hell of a lot safer for having them around. That being said, as much as I value the right to own guns I'd rather gnaw my own arm off at the wrist than vote republican, which isn't to say the democrats are much better, but atleast they won't be shoving their religion down my throat. If only the libertarians had a chance of getting in to office. __________________ "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform." -- Mark Twain

09-14-2004, 11:25 AM	#19 (permalink)
Shameless Upright Location: Born in hell, but now I have a nice little condo in purgatory	The expression of the woman in the background of the picture of Feinstein seems to be one of bottomless despair and disenchantment smothered in spicy concern sauce. I think that would be my emotional reaction, rather than any real fear. I don't see the AK the Sen. holds putting holes in anything except her rhetoric. And I don't see the outcry against her for committing this felony going much further than internet forums and rarely-watched half-hour political analysis shows.

09-14-2004, 11:39 AM	#20 (permalink)
Big Cholla Upright Location: Las Vegas, Nevada	The AWB was one of those "little bites" out of the 2nd Amendment that the liberals like to take hoping that it will lead to a much bigger bite later on. In this case it didn't lead to much of anything. Contrary to what the liberal media and a couple of anti-gun Senators want you to believe the following items have been legally available to the American public in one form or another for the entire span of the AWB; black rifles with box magazines, rifles with pistol grips, magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds, folding and/or collapsing stocks, rifles with bayonet lugs, rifles with flash hiders and rifles with threaded barrels. In addition to those items, the American public can and could legally buy and use full auto weapons (in most states), sound suppressors (known as silencers), and short barreled rifles and shotguns. They just have to live in the right state, have the money, be eligible legally and follow the Tax law and BATF rules.

09-14-2004, 12:32 PM	#22 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	I have to say I do find the philistine strand of right wing politics as disturbing as the "ivory towers" that they attack. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

09-14-2004, 01:09 PM	#24 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	It doesn't matter who "let the AWB expire" -- GWB would have signed it, and that is very disturbing. Aren't Republicans supposed to be against gun control legislation which doesn't serve any purpose? At least locally, the seeds of panic that the media/Democrats have sown over the AWB expiration are being paired up with reasonable people revealing the AWB as the political do-nothing nonsense which it is. That's a good sign that maybe the general populace has smartened up about gun control and it will be left alone for a while. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

09-15-2004, 06:47 AM	#25 (permalink)
hrdwareguy "Officer, I was in fear for my life" Location: Oklahoma City	OK, I just found this out, but it should also be pointed out that this article is from June of 2000. It seems we are a bit behind the times here. __________________ Gun Control is hitting what you aim at Aim for the TFP, Donate Today