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Giuliani to replace Cheney on ticket?
Bush camp considers switch leading to NYC convention
Posted: June 9, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Joseph Farah
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


Rudy Giuliani

WASHINGTON – There are whispers among high-level political advisers to President Bush suggesting the possibility of replacing Dick Cheney with former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani as the vice presidential running mate prior to the Republican National Convention in New York beginning Aug. 30.

Cheney, who has no aspirations to run for president in 2008 and has had well-publicized heart problems, has been involved in the discussions and is open to the idea if it strengthens the ticket and helps position a viable Republican candidate to succeed Bush, sources tell WND.

Originally, Cheney was asked by Bush to lead the effort to find the best running mate in 2000. After months of interviews and offering advice, Bush surprised many by picking Cheney.

Giuliani, as well as New York Gov. George Pataki, has been expected to play a starring role at the convention. Both are also considered possible presidential candidates in 2008. Securing the vice presidential nomination, however, would instantly make Giuliani the front-runner among all potential Republican candidates.

"There is some thinking at the very highest political levels that this move could add some late sizzle to the campaign, steal any thunder generated by the Democrats in Boston and even potentially put the state of New York in play for the president," said one source close to both Giuliani and the White House.

No one is talking on the record, and the plan is not yet set in stone.

So far, the only people who have speculated publicly about such a move are Democrats.

"They'll probably play Rudy heavier than any other part of the convention," former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo told the Associated Press last week. "So Rudy will go up and people will start talking about him replacing Cheney or him running for president. It'll be very, very good for Rudy."

Giuliani became a national star in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks that brought down the World Trade Center towers, killing almost 3,000 people. He became known as "America's mayor."

"They'll make the most of 9-11, the most of Rudy," Cuomo said. "He is now still iconic, you saw that in 9-11 and that's it," the Democrat added. "He's received a stature which is, for the time being, absolutely unshakable."

Giuliani has said he may return to elective politics as early as 2006 by running either for governor, should Pataki call it quits after three terms, or for U.S. Senate against Democratic incumbent Hillary Rodham Clinton. In the face of prostate cancer, Giuliani withdrew from the 2000 Senate race won by Clinton.

By beating Clinton in 2006, Giuliani would not only position himself as a leading candidate for president in 2008, he would have eliminated the Democrats’ No. 1 contender. But it's a risky proposition for Giuliani. If he can't topple the popular Democratic incumbent, his chances of becoming president, or even winning the nomination in 2008, would be slim indeed.

There is little love lost between Pataki and Giuliani. Giuliani angered many Republicans in 1994 when he crossed party lines to endorse Cuomo's bid for a fourth term. Pataki beat Cuomo in that election.

The only potential political danger in replacing Cheney with Giuliani, said a source close to Bush, is that it would create problems with the president's right flank. Giuliani is widely perceived as less conservative than Cheney, and by elevating him to front-runner in 2008, Bush could anger many conservatives.

Giuliani is also being considered as a replacement for George Tenet as director of the Central Intelligence Agency. However, Bush appears to be in no rush to fill that slot. It's possible, one source said, it could be held open for Cheney.
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tecoyah

Regardless of the respect I hold for Rudy.....Even he cannot make Bush look good.

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Averett

Oh my GOD I am so SICK of Giuliani. He'll be riding 9/11 until he dies. Yes it was a horrible thing, yes he did a great time as Mayor during it. But Jesus, get over it, and get over yourself while you're at it.

Not that I was considering voting for Bush anyway, but as Giuliani as his running mate, I sure as hell wouldn't.

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Bill O'Rights

^^^^*snicker* She's from New York, y'know.

And, yeah...not even Giuliani is going to sweeten the Bush ticket. But, then again, I'm in Nebraska. Nebraska always goes Republican, so Bush already has this state locked. It's not even a question.

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Averett

Yup Not NYC granted, but still, up in here in Albany I'm sick of him.

And Pataki is an asshat as well.

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onetime2

I think it's an interesting scenario looking out to the 2008 election. Should Giuliani join this year's Presidential ticket and get elected, if Hillary goes for the Presidency in 2008 that would make for one hell of a race. If anyone thinks this year's election has negative ads that one would probably be exponentially worse.

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losthellhound

oh my.. thats alot of ego on one ticket

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absorbentishe

My friends and I have been talking about this. The only way it will happen is if Cheney steps down due to health issues. If he does that, then the door is open.

Wax_off

What about the scandle with his wife and the mistress living in the governers mansion before the divorce was final and so on. Doesn't that make him lacking the moral fiber needed to be attractive to true hard core conservatives?

dy156

There's been talk of this for a long time. I think it might be good for Bush, but doubt it will happen. Bush has the same quality as James Carville of being almost too loyal. Cheney should not have been allowed to be V.P. anyway, since the Constitution forbids both P. and V.P. from the same state, and even if Cheney claims he's from Wyoming, that wasn't where he was at the time. But no one really cared. Plus, Poppa Bush stuck with Quayle, who was even more of a liability than Cheney. We'll see.

MSD

Shhh .... maybe they won't figure it out.

This doesn't change my vote in any way. The entire Bush adminstration has done far too much that goes against what I believe in, and against federal and interantional law, for me to consider flipping their switch in the voting machine.

Daval

First. I don't support GWB or Dick Cheney. I would vote Democrat if I was an American.


But. This would in my opinion be an absolutely brilliant move by the Republicans to choose such a hugely star candidate. This man is revered throughout the US and would push a lot of the swing votes to GWB.

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Bobaphat

Quayle was assasination insurance. Who would knock off George Sr. if they knew Quayle was next in line?

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DelayedReaction

Where does the Constitution forbid the President and VP from being from the same state?

Still wouldn't change my vote.

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Paq

I'd hate to see guiliani's name/rep dragged down by Bush antics..

sorry, just not goin for it..

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Scipio

The interesting point to me is that a change of running mate would constitute a concession of weakness or potential for loss on the Bush side. They might just stick it out with Cheney for that reason. It plays into a strategy that Karl Rove used of "looking like the winner."

Someone above noted that Cheney would leave for health reasons only. I think he would, but he would also leave the ticket if it were necessary to ensure victory.

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BoCo

A Bush-Giuliani ticket absolutely has my vote.

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Averett

Why? Did Bush have your vote in the first place? Would you vote for the Bush-and a Bush (i'm clever ) ticket?

Or would having Giuliani has Bush's running mate sway your vote?

I'm just curious to see what effect Giuliani could have on people who are on the fence.

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Paq

I don't normally speak for people, but Boco wasnt' exactly on the fence. at least, not from the impression i get...


Heck, Bush/Satan would probably still have Boco's vote...

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Lebell

"President Guilliani" has a nice ring to it.

I could see Cheney stepping down for "health reasons" and Bush picking someone else.

Guilliani definitely has the star cache.

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Don't think it will help. Which is a good thing.

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i want a bush-powel ticket

yay who's with me

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onetime2

I guess I can't say I am because I would be voting for Bush anyway. Apparently that's a deal breaker for having an opinion.

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Paq

umm..powell is on the outs with bush right now, i don't see them as patching things up enough to run together..

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jcookc6

I think it would be a good move for Cheney to get off the ticket. But I don't think Rudy would be a good choice. He has too much baggage. Someone from the Midwest would be a better choice.
I would wait until Kerry announces who his choice is.

BoCo

I was never on the fence--Bush already had my vote. But I would take Giuliani over Cheney in a heartbeat if I had the choice.

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dy156

It doesn't exactly forbid them from being from the same state, but if they are their home state's electors can't vote for them both.

Can be found here, among other places.

http://www.archives.gov/national_arc...nts_11-27.html

It's in the first couple of lines. The electors aren't supposed to vote for two people from their state. So, if Cheney was from Texas, Texas electors' votes technically should not have counted. There was a lawsuit, but it was thrown out pretty much because, well, who gives a shit about where he's from, and people were far more worried about Florida.

mml

This is an interesting proposition, we discussed it a few months back and most people felt there was no way this was going to happen. I still think it is a long shot. My cousin worked for the Bush-Cheney campaign in 2000, then for the RNC and now he is working in Iraq for Bremer and will be coming home soon to help with the 04 campaign. A few months ago he told me the rumor he was hearing from friends in the RNC is that if Cheney goes, and he would only go if he felt it would ensure a Bush victory, their first choice would be to put Tom Ridge in as V.P. and possibly put Guliani in at Homeland Security.

Who knows, but it is fun to speculate, and the right person could really give the ticket a lift.

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BigGov

Hmm...If McCain is so intent on Bush being re-elected...Bush-McCain '04?

That would push me over the fence.

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felixn

Rudy's centerist positions on the social issues hurt Bush with his base. If they stay home on election day, Bush is cooked.

Macheath

I guess you can talk of Guliani being perceived as a mainstream "star" asset by some people; just as Powell used to be perceived.

On the the other hand, the movers and shakers within the administration - Cheney, Rumsfeld and, of course, Ashcroft - all have their own well known liabilities and controversies. If you say "Let's get rid of all these controversial figures and put together some kind of contrived centerist dream machine", then you're really taking the heart out of everything they've done the past four years, for better or worse.

I think Scipio makes a good point about "sticking with what they have" at the moment. That's their record, that's what they should run on.

Hwed

Powell-Rice in 08 baby!

That said, I think Bush has done one thing extremely well, and that's stick to his guns. While Kerry has waffled and taken both sides of every issue, Bush has held firm and stayed with his vision 100%. I don't see him dumping his VP for a bump in the polls.

However, if Cheney quits for health reasons, I think Guiliani would be an acceptable alternative, and it positions him for the 08 battle of the century against the crazy woman who wants to triple our healthcare costs and stifle all future medical research and development.

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and the poster's comment on the original link?

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Stompy

What a nice illusion.

The Vice Pres. doesn't really do much of anything, so why would people care if Guiliani was in that position? It's still Bush calling the shots.

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Although.. I guess more people would rather have Guilani as president if Bush were to get assassinated? Hm.. that might not be a bad idea

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Paq

As they were saying last night when contemplating whom kerry is going to pick for a VP...your choice can't really help you, but it can hurt you quite a bit...

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