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Mojo_PeiPei · 03-21-2004, 08:55 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...sin/index.html

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(CNN) -- Hamas founder and spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was killed in an apparent airstrike by Israeli forces Monday morning as he was being driven from a mosque, Hamas and Palestinian security sources told CNN.

Five others were killed in the strike, sources said.

Yassin's car and the cars carrying his bodyguards were hit by three rockets as they left the mosque after prayers.

Thousands of angry Palestinians gathered around his minutes after the attack, calling for revenge against Israel.

In September, Yassin, who used a wheelchair, was lightly wounded in an Israeli missile strike in Gaza City. At the time he vowed "jihad will continue."

Thousands of Palestinian Hamas supporters marched through the streets in support of Yassin after the strike last year.

Yassin founded Hamas in 1987, during the Palestinian intifada. Hamas is a fundamentalist Islamic organization whose military wing, Izzedine al Qassam, has carried out attacks on Israeli civilian and military targets. The U.S. State Department and Israel consider Hamas a terrorist organization.

An Israeli court convicted Yassin in 1989 of ordering Hamas members to kidnap and kill two Israeli soldiers.

He was sentenced to life in prison, but was freed in 1997 under the terms of a deal arranged by the late King Hussein of Jordan, who asked Israel to release Yassin in exchange for two Israeli Mossad agents, who attempted to assassinate Khalid Mishaal, a Hamas leader in Jordan.

The Palestinian Authority has placed Yassin under house arrest on a number of occasions since his release, most recently in December, 2001, after a series of terror attacks that killed 25 Israelis.

That detention triggered demonstrations and clashes with Palestinian police.

Yassin was born in 1938 in what was then the British mandate of Palestine. His family became refugees in Gaza during the violence that followed Israel's creation in 1948.

On September 15, twin suicide bombings jointly claimed by Hamas and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades killed 10 people in the Israeli port city of Ashdod.

Immediately after the terrorist bombings, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon canceled a planned meeting with Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qorei.

The scheduled talks were an attempt to revive the so-called "road map" to Mideast peace.

The plan, backed by the United States, European Union, United Nations and Russia, calls for steps by both sides aimed at ending the conflict and establishing an independent Palestinian state by 2005.

All I have to say is about fucking time. This guy was a goon. This is a testament to the war on terror. This guy and his organization were about one thing only death and destruction. He would "broker peace deals" long enough so that his terrorist organization could come up with funds and materials, then in a heart beat turn back on his word. Goes to show that people like him can't be dealt with in a reasonable way. Granted Israel probably pissed off a lot of people doing this, whose to say if it will make the situation better.

HarmlessRabbit · 03-21-2004, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
[B] All I have to say is about fucking time. This guy was a goon. This is a testament to the war on terror. This guy and his organization were about one thing only death and destruction.

And killing him and a bunch of others through assassination is.... what? Yassin was an Israeli citizen and a quadrapeligic. Shooting him with missiles was the only way to deal with him? Israel must have some pretty sad cops and armed forces if that is the case.

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He would "broker peace deals" long enough so that his terrorist organization could come up with funds and materials, then in a heart beat turn back on his word.

I don't know much about Yassin's history. Source? URL? Background?

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Goes to show that people like him can't be dealt with in a reasonable way.

Israel hitting him with missiles goes to show that he can't be dealt with in a reasonable way???? I'm missing the connection.

I'm just glad the terrorism in Israel will end now that he is dead.

nanofever · 03-21-2004, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...sin/index.html

All I have to say is about fucking time. This guy was a goon. This is a testament to the war on terror. This guy and his organization were about one thing only death and destruction. He would "broker peace deals" long enough so that his terrorist organization could come up with funds and materials, then in a heart beat turn back on his word. Goes to show that people like him can't be dealt with in a reasonable way. Granted Israel probably pissed off a lot of people doing this, whose to say if it will make the situation better.

No offense, but you are pretty blind if you don't see that Isreal equally shares blame with palastine. Both groups are being asses and this killing is just going to continue the process. This murder is far from something to be commended.

Edit: Btw I'm putting 1:3 odds on an isreali cabnet member dying this week.

pan6467 · 03-21-2004, 10:56 PM

So killing someone without a trial and bragging over the deed is different than the other side how?

ChrisJericho · 03-21-2004, 11:04 PM

Did this guy probably deserve to die? .... yeah

Will a helluva lot more Israeli citizens die becuse of this? ....yeah

It will never end.

Scipio · 03-22-2004, 01:07 AM

Yeah, they might have been right to kill him, and the guy before him, and the other guy before him, and the guy even further back in time, and so on...

tecoyah · 03-22-2004, 04:41 AM

I think I missed the trial......guess it wasnt televised.

Tophat665 · 03-22-2004, 04:43 AM

Wish they'd been a bit more subtle that this, but, really, 'bout frickin' time. If he was a terrorist, then he was regrettably killed during apprehension, but, if he was a freedom fighter in an assymentrical war, then he was the bloody generalissimo, and I don't understand why it took Israel this long to remove him from the board, and why they used their army rather than the vaunted Mossad to do it.

TheKak · 03-22-2004, 05:43 AM

Sad to say, that the only way there will be peace in that area is when there is no one around to fight anymore.

Bookman · 03-22-2004, 05:57 AM

This really sheds a "poor" light on the whole conflict.
He was killed for what he promotes, not in action just in thought and statement.
Hmmm, how many other figures in the world could be killed for this exact reason??
A WHOLE FRICKIN' LOT OF PEOPLE!!!!

This Middle East mess is becoming more & more disgusting by the death.

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-22-2004, 06:15 AM

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Originally posted by nanofever
No offense, but you are pretty blind if you don't see that Isreal equally shares blame with palastine. Both groups are being asses and this killing is just going to continue the process. This murder is far from something to be commended.

Edit: Btw I'm putting 1:3 odds on an isreali cabnet member dying this week.

I agree with you. All I'm saying is that this guy was was marked for justifyed reasons. Also killing him probably doesn't help much seeing as to Hamas is more popular then Arafat or his Fatah. It still is a solid move I think. Obviously knocking off all the small fries wasn't working to well. If your trying to kill something why stab it a few times, when you cut its head off?

filtherton · 03-22-2004, 08:36 AM

If christianity has taught us anything it is that killing the leader can make a movement a million times stronger. Maybe palestine can respond in kind by assassinating some obstructionists in the israeli goverment. Eye for an eye.

popo · 03-22-2004, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by Bookman
This really sheds a "poor" light on the whole conflict.
He was killed for what he promotes, not in action just in thought and statement.
Hmmm, how many other figures in the world could be killed for this exact reason??
A WHOLE FRICKIN' LOT OF PEOPLE!!!!

This Middle East mess is becoming more & more disgusting by the death.

What do you mean "not in action"? This guy was the founder of Hamas and it's leader. He's often referred to as the "spiritual leader" because he focuses on the religious duty of Palestinians to kill as many Jews as possible.

Next we're gonna hear about how wrong it is to kill someone in a wheelchair.

Bookman · 03-22-2004, 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by popo
What do you mean "not in action"? This guy was the founder of Hamas and it's leader. He's often referred to as the "spiritual leader" because he focuses on the religious duty of Palestinians to kill as many Jews as possible.

Next we're gonna hear about how wrong it is to kill someone in a wheelchair.

Supposedly he was in wheelchair from a very young age.
Just to be clear..he was a spiritual leader.
Palestinians (if it is true) are not the only people who want to exterminate people on the other side.

damianjames · 03-22-2004, 11:46 AM

The Fox News web site has a poll up -

The leader of Hamas was killed Monday in an Israeli missile strike. Which best describes your opinion?

-This is good and will help end violence in long run.
-This is bad and will lead to more bloodshed in Israel.
-This is bad and could lead to more bloodshed beyond borders of Israel.
-The U.S. should get more involved as the situation is deteriorating.
-None of the above

They should've included:
-This is a good thing but it may lead to an all out war.

I want to give Palestinians the benefit of the doubt, but after hundreds of civilian Israeli deaths from kids strapped with bombs, I feel like some retribution is justified. Arafat then gets on the T.V. and says that the attack "crossed all the red lines". When a jackoff sells his kid as a suicide bomber to kill people just living their lives exactly which color line does that cross?

(edited for grammar)

thejoker130 · 03-22-2004, 11:50 AM

I've said it before and i'll say it again there will never be peace in the middle east....ever.....period

Dragonlich · 03-22-2004, 12:29 PM

I fully support the killing of this monster. However, I fear for the resulting slaughter of Jews. OTOH, there would have been a slaughter of Jews anyway, just spaced out more evenly over the months and years.

As for the claims that this is unlawful: if Yassin would have been arrested, put on trial and then executed, the end result would have been exactly the same. How much evidence do you need to assume that someone is guilty? Everyone knew that this guy was one of the founders of Hamas, a terror group whose sole aim seems to be to kill as many Jews as possible. Everyone knew that this guy was personally spreading hatred amongst the Palestinians. And everyone knew he was personally responsible for each and every Israeli that Hamas killed. Just because a judge didn't order his death does not mean it's unjustified...

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-22-2004, 12:37 PM

For the record he was already arrested and sentenced to life in prison.

JRG · 03-22-2004, 12:42 PM

Sure yassin was a bad guy and AFTER a trial he may have been executed, but what really gets me is he was just assassinated using missiles without any tye of trial. Israel can no longer claim the higher ground and try to paint their actions as part of the war on terror. They have stooped to the level of the terrorists and two terrorist organizations will never make peace with each other.

Bookman · 03-22-2004, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by JRG
Sure yassin was a bad guy and AFTER a trial he may have been executed, but what really gets me is he was just assassinated using missiles without any tye of trial. Israel can no longer claim the higher ground and try to paint their actions as part of the war on terror. They have stooped to the level of the terrorists and two terrorist organizations will never make peace with each other.

Said it better than I ever could.

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-22-2004, 01:04 PM

I don't think a trial was needed in this case. Not like it would've done any good anyways, it all would've been a conspiracy by the evil moussad and zionist agenda.

As I stated before he was already tried and convicted for murder, he was the founder of one of the worlds' premere terrorist organizations... needless to say he got released on a technicality.

pan6467 · 03-22-2004, 01:13 PM

So it is better to kill a personand brag and show excitement than to give a man his civil and humane rights.

Isreal made a martyr of this man and unfortunately more deaths will be the outcome.

Perhaps, just perhaps, if Isreal and the US gave these terrorists a trial and showed the world that we do in fact treat people fairly and not just kill them, the world would see who truly was righteous. BUT to kill just to kill and then to brag is just as evil and causes more hatred.

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-22-2004, 01:25 PM

He was an animal, he had long since forsaken his humanity and washed it away with the blood of the thousands of deaths he is responsible for. And who is bragging? Israel certainly is not, they are just doing their job. This guy was a murderous asshat who had it coming, they executed their policy of dealing with people like him, the order came from the top. End of story.

Xell101 · 03-22-2004, 01:35 PM

I don't think it is right they just said, "Whoop there he is! Let's explode him," and missile fire ensued, that is not right, JRG is dead on with that, Israel is now officially in my mind engaged in a duel of whomping, not wits, not diplomacy, just bashing foreheads seemingly hoping to cause the hated enemy to pull a sad indian and write their equivellent of "I will Fight No More Forever"

filtherton · 03-22-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
He was an animal, he had long since forsaken his humanity and washed it away with the blood of the thousands of deaths he is responsible for. And who is bragging? Israel certainly is not, they are just doing their job. This guy was a murderous asshat who had it coming, they executed their policy of dealing with people like him, the order came from the top. End of story.

Sounds like you know him personally.

I want to see what kind of animal replaces him.

Anyways, i thought assassination was something that terrorists do. Five other people were killed to get this guy. That's what timothy mcveigh called "collateral damage". I think that both sides should stop whining about dead innocents until both sides decide to kill no more innocents.

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-22-2004, 01:54 PM

Yeah 5 other members of Hamas... big loss.

tecoyah · 03-22-2004, 02:21 PM

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Yeah 5 other members of Hamas... big loss.

Were they proven guilty of murder as well? or were they just collateral?

pan6467 · 03-22-2004, 02:23 PM

this is something I wrote in another forum that covers this issue pretty well..............................
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I don't understand something. While not forgotten why is the Holocaust brought up to justify everything Isreal does? 6 Million died, yes but the governments responsible and the people responsible were tried and are no longer relevant in anyone sane's life let alone any government.
And by the by, there were a lot of CATHOLICS, HOMOSEXUALS, SCHOLARS, AND SO ON KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST NOT JUST JEWS.

Isreal would be nothing if not for US and UK support, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR AND NOTHING IN RETURN EXCEPT HATRED FROM THE REST OF THE MIDDLE EAST, WHO BELIEVE WE ARE OUT TO CONQUER THE WORLD, AND HATRED FROM ISREAL, WHO BELIEVES WE NEED TO DO MORE. Yet, despite all our help, they keep killing instead of trying terrorists. The US and UK turn blind eyes and Isreal just makes the situation worse by creating martyrs.

Not trying to sound anti-semitic, because I'm truly not, but killing people and treating people as sub-citizens as they do to the Palestinians, is that not what Hitler's Germany and Holocaust did to the Jews? If they were truly a peaceful people and wanting peace, would Isreal not strive for it?

I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned the US needs to pull out of the Middle East 100% AND THAT INCLUDES ISREAL and tend to ourselves. We need and want the oil, ok we make trade agreements but no more interfering in ANYONE'S POLITICS OVER THERE UNTIL THEY ALL START ACTING LIKE ADULTS AND NOT CHILDREN WITH DEADLY WEAPONS BEATING UP ON EACH OTHER.

It's like how some police officers describe answering most domestics. The man or woman can be beating the other to Hell, but as soon as the officer gets there they stop and turn the anger onto him/her. That's what we have in that region and it since it won't end, WE NEED TO JUST STOP SUPPORTING IT BY NOT SENDING ANY TAX DOLLARS THERE.

Have a feeling, within a year of no US/UK monies coming in the Isreali government will be making sure there is peace over there.
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I firmly believe taking away ALL AID AND MONEY and Isreal will truly show who they are. Friend or foe. Isreal will either strive for peace or turn on us.

I STRONGLY URGE EVERYONE TO READ JACK BERNSTEIN'S "AN AMERICAN JEW IN MARXIST-RACIST ISREAL". THE BEST READ OVER THIS SITUATION I HAVE EVER READ.

HERE'S A LINK: http://christianparty.net/sephardic.htm

BERNSTEIN WAS KILLED BY THE ISREALI MOSSAD AFTER THIS WAS WRITTEN AND I HAVE NOT FOUND ONE PERSON FROM ISREAL OR PRO-ISREALI WHO EVER DEBATED THIS. THEY JUST THROW OUT WORDS LIKE LIARS AND ANTI-SEMITE AND SO ON.

If someone here knows of a true rebuttal or has one, that is FACT BASED I am open to reading it and perhaps changing my opinion. But, I fear that will not come to light. I'll be attacked as flaming an argument, and pictured as an anti-semite spreading hateful anti semitic and anti-Isreali propaganda among other untruthful things AND/OR I and the challenge to show the truth will be ignored, either way it adds credence to the arguments made on my side.

james t kirk · 03-22-2004, 02:53 PM

IMHO, the Israelis just poured gasoline on the fire.

As pointed out, they made a martyr out of this guy.

Yes, he's a murdering scumbag, I agree.

But so is Sharon. He's a fat murdering scumbag too. One is as bad as the other.

It will never end.

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-22-2004, 03:19 PM

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Were they proven guilty of murder as well? or were they just collateral?

Guilt by association.

silent_jay · 03-22-2004, 03:42 PM

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I've said it before and i'll say it again there will never be peace in the middle east....ever.....period

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Sad to say, that the only way there will be peace in that area is when there is no one around to fight anymore.

this about sums it up

popo · 03-22-2004, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by pan6467

I STRONGLY URGE EVERYONE TO READ JACK BERNSTEIN'S "AN AMERICAN JEW IN MARXIST-RACIST ISREAL". THE BEST READ OVER THIS SITUATION I HAVE EVER READ.

HERE'S A LINK: http://christianparty.net/sephardic.htm

BERNSTEIN WAS KILLED BY THE ISREALI MOSSAD AFTER THIS WAS WRITTEN AND I HAVE NOT FOUND ONE PERSON FROM ISREAL OR PRO-ISREALI WHO EVER DEBATED THIS. THEY JUST THROW OUT WORDS LIKE LIARS AND ANTI-SEMITE AND SO ON.

Oh please. Are you really going down the Jack Bernstein road? One guy writes a nothing book criticizing Israel, goes missing and the entire Left conspiracy addicts go around saying that he was murdered by the Mossad. Others are supposed to do the homework for you to provide proof that he wasn't killed by a super-secret double agent? Why don't you provide proof that he was?

And careful... if the Mossad goes after every Joe Shmoe that writes bad stuff about Israel I'd be careful if I were you. After Chomsky, Shahak, etc, you might be next.

edit: BTW, there will be peace. Not long ago, it was thought to be impossible that France and England would have peace or England & the US. Who knows, there might be a day when Palestine is viewed as Israel's greatest ally.

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-22-2004, 04:26 PM

Your optimistic Popo, its tough to undo thousands of years of hate and conflict.

HarmlessRabbit · 03-22-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
He was an animal, he had long since forsaken his humanity and washed it away with the blood of the thousands of deaths he is responsible for. And who is bragging? Israel certainly is not, they are just doing their job. This guy was a murderous asshat who had it coming, they executed their policy of dealing with people like him, the order came from the top. End of story.

What point were you hoping to discuss here in this forum? Anything you want to talk about, or do you just want to shout your beliefs over and over and over again hoping you drown everyone else out?

popo · 03-22-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Your optimistic Popo, its tough to undo thousands of years of hate and conflict.

What do you mean? I've been told by the Left that this is just a territorial, and not a religious or cultural dispute.

I don't think I'm being optimistic about peace. There will be bumps in the road but I really believe that soon as Palestinian extremists (yes, just the Palestinian extremists) are stopped, peace will come quickly. Israeli extremists just don't matter as much as the Palestnian ones, Yigal Amir or no Yigal Amir.

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-22-2004, 04:53 PM

How sociopathic murderers who have it coming get theirs?

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-22-2004, 04:59 PM

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What do you mean? I've been told by the Left that this is just a territorial, and not a religious or cultural dispute.

I don't think I'm being optimistic about peace. There will be bumps in the road but I really believe that soon as Palestinian extremists (yes, just the Palestinian extremists) are stopped, peace will come quickly. Israeli extremists just don't matter as much as the Palestnian ones, Yigal Amir or no Yigal Amir.

Its tough when the whole Arab world is fanning the flames of hate. Not only does Israel have to deal with Hamas, Al Aqsa, and Hezbollah locally, as well as heavily disputed regions such as Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. Regionally You still have a very uneasy "peace" (if you can call it that) between Jordan/Syria/Lebanon, and hardline countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia stirring shit up. As said before, anything short of all out war will not help much.

popo · 03-22-2004, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Its tough when the whole Arab world is fanning the flames of hate. Not only does Israel have to deal with Hamas, Al Aqsa, and Hezbollah locally, as well as heavily disputed regions such as Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. Regionally You still have a very uneasy "peace" (if you can call it that) between Jordan/Syria/Lebanon, and hardline countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia stirring shit up. As said before, anything short of all out war will not help much.

Maybe. But I think that once the Pal situation is dealt with, the world (EU really) will have no way of walking the fence when it comes to anti-Israel terrorism. There will be no excuse. Of course, there was none before 1967 either but we'll ignore that for now.

Yakk · 03-22-2004, 05:11 PM

Anyone know the odds on a nuclear bomb going off in Isreal in the next 10 years?

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"I do not know with which weapons WWIII will be fought with, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."

smooth · 03-22-2004, 07:16 PM

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What do you mean? I've been told by the Left that this is just a territorial, and not a religious or cultural dispute.

I share the belief that it isn't religious or cultural. This dispute doesn't seem to be due to thousands of years of differences, it appears to only be about 60 years old.

Historically, Muslims have provided solace and sanctuary for Jews. In every region large Muslims exist, Jews have communities. They allowed Jews to immigrate during the Crusades and WW2. I don't know what else might be seperating the two cultures.

For one, while Israel claims to be some form of democracy, the people of Palestine aren't opposed to democracy. In fact, they claim to want a representative democracy. If anything, the rulers of the various nation-states are opposed to democracy--but we support them with military and monetary aid. But the people aren't opposed to democracy, so I can't see that being a reason to attack Isrealites.

03-21-2004, 10:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	So killing someone without a trial and bragging over the deed is different than the other side how? __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

03-21-2004, 11:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	Did this guy probably deserve to die? .... yeah Will a helluva lot more Israeli citizens die becuse of this? ....yeah It will never end. __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

03-22-2004, 01:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
Scipio Mencken Location: College	Yeah, they might have been right to kill him, and the guy before him, and the other guy before him, and the guy even further back in time, and so on... __________________ "Erections lasting more than 4 hours, though rare, require immediate medical attention."

03-22-2004, 04:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	I think I missed the trial......guess it wasnt televised. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

03-22-2004, 04:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
Tophat665 Minion of the scaléd ones Location: Northeast Jesusland	Wish they'd been a bit more subtle that this, but, really, 'bout frickin' time. If he was a terrorist, then he was regrettably killed during apprehension, but, if he was a freedom fighter in an assymentrical war, then he was the bloody generalissimo, and I don't understand why it took Israel this long to remove him from the board, and why they used their army rather than the vaunted Mossad to do it. __________________ Light a man a fire, and he will be warm while it burns. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

03-22-2004, 05:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
TheKak Insane Location: Virginia	Sad to say, that the only way there will be peace in that area is when there is no one around to fight anymore. __________________ Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm a schizophrenic and so am I.

03-22-2004, 05:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
Bookman Insane	This really sheds a "poor" light on the whole conflict. He was killed for what he promotes, not in action just in thought and statement. Hmmm, how many other figures in the world could be killed for this exact reason?? A WHOLE FRICKIN' LOT OF PEOPLE!!!! This Middle East mess is becoming more & more disgusting by the death.

03-22-2004, 08:36 AM	#12 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	If christianity has taught us anything it is that killing the leader can make a movement a million times stronger. Maybe palestine can respond in kind by assassinating some obstructionists in the israeli goverment. Eye for an eye.

03-22-2004, 11:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
damianjames Insane Location: Vancouver. No, the OTHER Vancouver	The Fox News web site has a poll up - The leader of Hamas was killed Monday in an Israeli missile strike. Which best describes your opinion? -This is good and will help end violence in long run. -This is bad and will lead to more bloodshed in Israel. -This is bad and could lead to more bloodshed beyond borders of Israel. -The U.S. should get more involved as the situation is deteriorating. -None of the above They should've included: -This is a good thing but it may lead to an all out war. I want to give Palestinians the benefit of the doubt, but after hundreds of civilian Israeli deaths from kids strapped with bombs, I feel like some retribution is justified. Arafat then gets on the T.V. and says that the attack "crossed all the red lines". When a jackoff sells his kid as a suicide bomber to kill people just living their lives exactly which color line does that cross? (edited for grammar) __________________ Visualize Whirled Peas.

03-22-2004, 11:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
thejoker130 Insane Location: slippery rock university AKA: The left ass cheek of the world	I've said it before and i'll say it again there will never be peace in the middle east....ever.....period __________________ WHAT MORE CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN? ------------------------------------- I like you. When the world is mine your death will be quick and painless.

03-22-2004, 12:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
Dragonlich 42, baby! Location: The Netherlands	I fully support the killing of this monster. However, I fear for the resulting slaughter of Jews. OTOH, there would have been a slaughter of Jews anyway, just spaced out more evenly over the months and years. As for the claims that this is unlawful: if Yassin would have been arrested, put on trial and then executed, the end result would have been exactly the same. How much evidence do you need to assume that someone is guilty? Everyone knew that this guy was one of the founders of Hamas, a terror group whose sole aim seems to be to kill as many Jews as possible. Everyone knew that this guy was personally spreading hatred amongst the Palestinians. And everyone knew he was personally responsible for each and every Israeli that Hamas killed. Just because a judge didn't order his death does not mean it's unjustified...

03-22-2004, 12:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	For the record he was already arrested and sentenced to life in prison. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

03-22-2004, 12:42 PM	#19 (permalink)
JRG Tilted	Sure yassin was a bad guy and AFTER a trial he may have been executed, but what really gets me is he was just assassinated using missiles without any tye of trial. Israel can no longer claim the higher ground and try to paint their actions as part of the war on terror. They have stooped to the level of the terrorists and two terrorist organizations will never make peace with each other.

03-22-2004, 01:04 PM	#21 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	I don't think a trial was needed in this case. Not like it would've done any good anyways, it all would've been a conspiracy by the evil moussad and zionist agenda. As I stated before he was already tried and convicted for murder, he was the founder of one of the worlds' premere terrorist organizations... needless to say he got released on a technicality. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

03-22-2004, 01:13 PM	#22 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	So it is better to kill a personand brag and show excitement than to give a man his civil and humane rights. Isreal made a martyr of this man and unfortunately more deaths will be the outcome. Perhaps, just perhaps, if Isreal and the US gave these terrorists a trial and showed the world that we do in fact treat people fairly and not just kill them, the world would see who truly was righteous. BUT to kill just to kill and then to brag is just as evil and causes more hatred. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

03-22-2004, 01:25 PM	#23 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	He was an animal, he had long since forsaken his humanity and washed it away with the blood of the thousands of deaths he is responsible for. And who is bragging? Israel certainly is not, they are just doing their job. This guy was a murderous asshat who had it coming, they executed their policy of dealing with people like him, the order came from the top. End of story. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition. Last edited by Mojo_PeiPei; 03-22-2004 at 01:29 PM..

03-22-2004, 01:35 PM	#24 (permalink)
Xell101 Junkie	I don't think it is right they just said, "Whoop there he is! Let's explode him," and missile fire ensued, that is not right, JRG is dead on with that, Israel is now officially in my mind engaged in a duel of whomping, not wits, not diplomacy, just bashing foreheads seemingly hoping to cause the hated enemy to pull a sad indian and write their equivellent of "I will Fight No More Forever"

03-22-2004, 01:54 PM	#26 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Yeah 5 other members of Hamas... big loss. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

03-22-2004, 02:23 PM	#28 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	this is something I wrote in another forum that covers this issue pretty well.............................. ============================================== I don't understand something. While not forgotten why is the Holocaust brought up to justify everything Isreal does? 6 Million died, yes but the governments responsible and the people responsible were tried and are no longer relevant in anyone sane's life let alone any government. And by the by, there were a lot of CATHOLICS, HOMOSEXUALS, SCHOLARS, AND SO ON KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST NOT JUST JEWS. Isreal would be nothing if not for US and UK support, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR AND NOTHING IN RETURN EXCEPT HATRED FROM THE REST OF THE MIDDLE EAST, WHO BELIEVE WE ARE OUT TO CONQUER THE WORLD, AND HATRED FROM ISREAL, WHO BELIEVES WE NEED TO DO MORE. Yet, despite all our help, they keep killing instead of trying terrorists. The US and UK turn blind eyes and Isreal just makes the situation worse by creating martyrs. Not trying to sound anti-semitic, because I'm truly not, but killing people and treating people as sub-citizens as they do to the Palestinians, is that not what Hitler's Germany and Holocaust did to the Jews? If they were truly a peaceful people and wanting peace, would Isreal not strive for it? I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned the US needs to pull out of the Middle East 100% AND THAT INCLUDES ISREAL and tend to ourselves. We need and want the oil, ok we make trade agreements but no more interfering in ANYONE'S POLITICS OVER THERE UNTIL THEY ALL START ACTING LIKE ADULTS AND NOT CHILDREN WITH DEADLY WEAPONS BEATING UP ON EACH OTHER. It's like how some police officers describe answering most domestics. The man or woman can be beating the other to Hell, but as soon as the officer gets there they stop and turn the anger onto him/her. That's what we have in that region and it since it won't end, WE NEED TO JUST STOP SUPPORTING IT BY NOT SENDING ANY TAX DOLLARS THERE. Have a feeling, within a year of no US/UK monies coming in the Isreali government will be making sure there is peace over there. ============================================== I firmly believe taking away ALL AID AND MONEY and Isreal will truly show who they are. Friend or foe. Isreal will either strive for peace or turn on us. I STRONGLY URGE EVERYONE TO READ JACK BERNSTEIN'S "AN AMERICAN JEW IN MARXIST-RACIST ISREAL". THE BEST READ OVER THIS SITUATION I HAVE EVER READ. HERE'S A LINK: http://christianparty.net/sephardic.htm BERNSTEIN WAS KILLED BY THE ISREALI MOSSAD AFTER THIS WAS WRITTEN AND I HAVE NOT FOUND ONE PERSON FROM ISREAL OR PRO-ISREALI WHO EVER DEBATED THIS. THEY JUST THROW OUT WORDS LIKE LIARS AND ANTI-SEMITE AND SO ON. If someone here knows of a true rebuttal or has one, that is FACT BASED I am open to reading it and perhaps changing my opinion. But, I fear that will not come to light. I'll be attacked as flaming an argument, and pictured as an anti-semite spreading hateful anti semitic and anti-Isreali propaganda among other untruthful things AND/OR I and the challenge to show the truth will be ignored, either way it adds credence to the arguments made on my side. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 03-22-2004 at 02:25 PM..

03-22-2004, 02:53 PM	#29 (permalink)
james t kirk Junkie Location: Toronto	IMHO, the Israelis just poured gasoline on the fire. As pointed out, they made a martyr out of this guy. Yes, he's a murdering scumbag, I agree. But so is Sharon. He's a fat murdering scumbag too. One is as bad as the other. It will never end.

03-22-2004, 04:26 PM	#33 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Your optimistic Popo, its tough to undo thousands of years of hate and conflict. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

03-22-2004, 04:53 PM	#36 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	How sociopathic murderers who have it coming get theirs? __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

03-22-2004, 05:11 PM	#39 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	Anyone know the odds on a nuclear bomb going off in Isreal in the next 10 years? =/ "I do not know with which weapons WWIII will be fought with, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones." __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.