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Superbelt · 03-25-2004, 05:37 AM

Can't forget 'conspiracy theorist' Karen Kwiatkowski. Or Valerie Plame and her husband Joe Wilson.

How do so many Anti-bush people infiltrate that Administration and then go and tell many of the same exact, independent lies about him to the media?

onetime2 · 03-25-2004, 11:28 AM

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How did they get to the same independent conclusions though?

It's amazing how many high level members of the Bush administration have resigned and come out saying how fucked up things are there.

Diullo
Beers
O'Neil
Clarke

And a lot of the stuff is corroboration upon corroboration.
If Clarke, a registered republican and Reagan appointee, wanted to just make money he would write his book exclusively as a tell all trashing Clinton and his terrorism response.
Clinton bashing books have the luxury of being backed by far right financiers like Richard Melon Scaife who purchase the book in huge bulk quantities. It's why Ann Coulter can make a living writing books. Her sales get artificially propped up and then the inflated bestseller ranking can take it from there.
(see also Hannity, Sean; Savage, Michael)

No way in hell would a Clinton bashing book get the same press coverage that his Bush bashing book has in the last week. You can't buy the amount of publicity he's gotten. And the kicker is, it's all been free.

The money is there for Bush bashing, it's not there for Clinton bashing right now because that's what the market (and newspeople) crave.

When someone finds a story that sells, it's amazing how many of those stories suddenly appear.

james t kirk · 03-25-2004, 11:37 AM

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You're right, there is something there. Lots of money being thrown at people to write books to capitalize on all the conspiracy theories out there.

Sorry, too simplistic.

onetime2 · 03-25-2004, 11:53 AM

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Sorry, too simplistic.

Yes I'm sure it must be a nice complicated conspiracy.

Superbelt · 03-25-2004, 12:06 PM

Doesn't have to be a complicated conspiracy.
The simple explanation is like what I posted in the *other* thread.

The man is passionate about securing america from terrorists.

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I don't think he is sensationalizing it to improve sales. We all know the man was rabidly pursuing terrorism. That he was preceived as unhinged before 9/11. The guy actually unsettles me a bit in his insistance that we need to curtail some civil liberties to get all the terrorist.

I think his book is really his honest analysis of this nations terrorist response, both present and past. He sees this as his opportunity to open Americas eyes to the threat we face and the need to take steps to combat it.

I think that is a much better explanation of why he wrote this book. And why he wrote it the way he did.

onetime2 · 03-25-2004, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
Doesn't have to be a complicated conspiracy.
The simple explanation is like what I posted in the *other* thread.

The man is passionate about securing america from terrorists.

I think that is a much better explanation of why he wrote this book. And why he wrote it the way he did.

Alright, let's assume you are correct that he isn't in it for the money. If, as you say, he's been seen as "rabidly pursuing terrorism" do you not think he could/would distort things to generate the support he feels is necessary to "protect the country"?

Superbelt · 03-25-2004, 01:06 PM

Could he? Of course he could. But he doesn't just retell stories in his book. There is plenty of documentation that he provides backing up his claims.

Would he? That requires you to decide for yourself, after taking it all in, the state of his data. For me, the broad concensus between him and the other whistle blowers and the supporting documents have thus far given me the picture that what he is saying is largely true.

03-25-2004, 05:37 AM	#41 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Can't forget 'conspiracy theorist' Karen Kwiatkowski. Or Valerie Plame and her husband Joe Wilson. How do so many Anti-bush people infiltrate that Administration and then go and tell many of the same exact, independent lies about him to the media?

03-25-2004, 01:06 PM	#47 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Could he? Of course he could. But he doesn't just retell stories in his book. There is plenty of documentation that he provides backing up his claims. Would he? That requires you to decide for yourself, after taking it all in, the state of his data. For me, the broad concensus between him and the other whistle blowers and the supporting documents have thus far given me the picture that what he is saying is largely true.