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Scipio · 02-14-2004, 08:37 PM

If the election were held today, how would you characterize the vote you might cast?

Some democrats aren't energized by their candidate, but would vote to vote against Bush. Likewise, some Republicans aren't excited by or pleased with Bush, but will vote for him because he's better than a Democrat.

I hate doing polls, but I was curious.

mystmarimatt · 02-14-2004, 10:21 PM

I'm a Dean person, m'self, and since that's not likely to happen now, i'll take whatever i can get, as long as it's not Bush or Cheney.

JamesS · 02-15-2004, 12:36 AM

I don't care for the current crew, so they will not be getting my vote or, for that matter, the votes of my parents - staunch Republicans. I expected a moderate furthering the reforms of Clinton - I got a man with no coherent foreign policy (campaigning against "nation building" and humanitarian intervention, and then getting us bogged down in Iraq - which had nothing to do with 9/11).

As for domestic policy, the tax cuts and increased social spending have been taken too far - our accounts need to be put in order, and I don't see team Bush having a firm hand in that area. It pisses me off that, every year, communist China and other foreign creditors are claiming more and more of our increasing national debt.

I have no particular affinity for some Democratic programs, so I do not know how I will vote in particular- only that GWB will not factor into the equation.

Strange Famous · 02-15-2004, 04:50 AM

Well, I wont be voting, since I am not American, but in the current situation I would chose "the lesser of two evils" and vote for Bush's most credible opponent, if I had a vote.

floydthebarber · 02-15-2004, 11:19 AM

I never vote against a party, but rather for the party that reflects my views.

Tophat665 · 02-15-2004, 11:39 AM

I sincerely hope that there will come a day when the Republican who is running is not so purely evil or totally incompetant (or both like this year) that I can in good conscious vote FOR the Democrat, rather than AGAINST the Republican, but that opportunity hasn't been there since Eisenhower, and, with the increasing polarization of the active American electorate, the increasingly aggressive cynicism and apathy amongst the inactive electorate, and the pathetic quality of citizenship training in schools, I don't know if that opportunity will present itself in the next 8 to 15 presidential elections I figure I'll be around for. (Of course, if the Bush Bund decides to go for a coup before they're driven from office, all bets may be off.)

Boo · 02-15-2004, 12:48 PM

I don't believe that we need to change leadership in the middle of our current crisis. We just need to be ready when the new taxes come out.

If we did decide to change, Kerry is NOT the person that I put my faith in.

I would like to see Dean/Edwards in 2008.

Scipio · 02-15-2004, 01:03 PM

Dean's candidacy is over. It's just a matter of time until he opts out.

The same is basically true for Edwards, though he has the luxury of staying in for what will become (and already is) a two man race.

The main advantage Kerry has is his decision to opt out of federal financing.

pinklily · 02-15-2004, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Strange Famous
in the current situation I would chose "the lesser of two evils" and vote for Bush's most credible opponent.

i second that, but i am an american, and will be voting

mml · 02-15-2004, 11:37 PM

I don't think this will come as much of a surprise, but I am supporting Senator Kerry. I am not sure Senator Edwards will be his V.P., but I like the ticket. If for some reason Kerry implodes and is not the nominee, I will vote for the Democrat (unless Hell freezes over and Kuchinich or Sharpton get the nomination). I am not a fan of the Bush administration and I really believe we need to move on and put the Bush behind us.

edited for poor grammar and I am probably not done.

billege · 02-16-2004, 01:58 AM

Bush is a fascist.

1984 scared me less than this man. I will vote for whoever has a chance of stopping him.

Benny · 02-16-2004, 04:54 AM

Hi Folks I'm new around here, but not new to being very unhappy with the current administration. I made this last night, it pretty much sums it up.

FoolThemAll · 02-16-2004, 07:17 AM

Due to the Patriot Act's controversial provisions, lack of fiscal conservatism, and (to a much lesser extent) the position against gay marriage, I'll be voting against the democrats more than voting for Bush.

Kadath · 02-16-2004, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FoolThemAll
Due to the Patriot Act's controversial provisions... I'll be voting against the democrats more than voting for Bush.

This is an odd phrasing. I take it that you are pleased with the Patriot Act's "controversial provisions"? I would imagine you'd want to choose a more complimentary adjective.

FoolThemAll · 02-16-2004, 09:53 AM

I disagree with the controversial provisions. Thus, my vote becomes less of a vote for what Bush stands for and more of a vote against what democrats stand for.

Sorry for the confusion.

archer2371 · 02-16-2004, 02:21 PM

I'll be voting for Bush. Big surprise huh?

FaderMonkey · 02-16-2004, 02:29 PM

I can't think of many people that could run against Bush that I wouldn't vote for.

scrappmittens · 02-16-2004, 06:30 PM

GO KERRY

Boo · 02-16-2004, 07:26 PM

yes please and far away too.

Paq · 02-16-2004, 08:14 PM

I have to say
it's not bush that i'd vote against...it's his whole freaking entourage. Bush isn't satan..he's just controlled by satan. He's a puppet, period, plain and simple, he really is just pushing through what everyone tells him to push through. Sometimes, it's a good thing to have a puppet president...now...i'd have to say no. Seriously, his "handlers' are more controlling than britney spears' handlers. mmm...handling britney spears...mmm..ok, back on topic. He's only allowed to speak when they say he can. Don't you find it odd he's currently the recordholder for least amount of press time of any president in modern times (since tv press conferences anyway). Seriously, they dont' let him speak too often when it's not highly scripted, edited and practiced. Who knows, i may even like the "real" bush if he would ever come around...

So, with that said, i'll agree with another poster and say, there really aren't too many people i wouldn't vote for over bush. Not bc of my particular hatred of bush, but for everyone surrounding him. Heck, i would just vote against anyone Karl Rove is associated.

Dostoevsky · 02-16-2004, 10:01 PM

I will vote for whoever is most likely to decrease the size of government. Although GWB has not done this, Republicans are still a better bet than Democrats. So I will vote for him once again. After looking at the Democratic candidates, I feel pretty confident about his chances of re-election.

I would love for the Republican party to go back to its roots and start supporting smaller government again. Lower taxes, fewer social programs, no trade barriers, competitive markets for everything. That would be great. It seems to me that Republicans have moved left and Democrats have moved a little right and have basically become the same party.

mrbuck12000 · 02-17-2004, 02:40 PM

Was this what you thought it would be??

mr b

Paq · 02-17-2004, 06:50 PM

i must say that right now, 33 to 18 with democrats winning is NOT what i expected. Seriously, not even close, i was expecting a bit more of a balance between the two.

HarmlessRabbit · 02-17-2004, 07:24 PM

Good poll, nice discussion so far. Nice work, scipio.

As stated already in this thread, I'm voting against Bush's policies: largest government ever, Patriot act, faith-based charities, appeasement of large health-care organization, mortgage of our future with tax cuts for the rich, needless going-it-alone in the Iraq war, ruinous foreign relations, and, finally, Ken Lay is still free.

I would vote for a potted plant right now if I thought it could beat Bush.

theusername · 02-17-2004, 08:26 PM

I guess im voting against Kerry. Would vote for Edwards. But i have a strong disliking for both Bush and Kerry just that I like Bush's go get them stance on national defense, i know a lot dont agree...

Im hoping Edwards wins the nomination.

buffto · 02-17-2004, 09:24 PM

my paramount priority is getting bush out.

Scipio · 02-17-2004, 10:28 PM

So far:

anti-bush vs pro-dem 2:1

anti-dem vs pro bush 1:2

There's some incumbency advantage going on, but interesting and not unexpected.

Paq · 02-17-2004, 11:19 PM

hmm..it took me a minute to realize what you're saying...

really, i think it's more troubling when looking at it that way

It used to be that people would vote for bush, they genuinely liked him/whatever, and he's pissed off enough that more people dislike him and his party vs liking the opposite party/candidate.

Like others have said, would vote for a flower pot vs putting bush back in...

that is really kinda scary..

View Poll Results: If the election were held today, how would you characterize your vote?
FOR the Democratic ticket (assume Kerry/Edwards)	13	20.97%
FOR the Republican ticket (Bush/Cheney)	13	20.97%
AGAINST the Democratic ticket	6	9.68%
AGAINST the Republican ticket	30	48.39%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

02-14-2004, 08:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Scipio Mencken Location: College	Vote for, or vote against? If the election were held today, how would you characterize the vote you might cast? Some democrats aren't energized by their candidate, but would vote to vote against Bush. Likewise, some Republicans aren't excited by or pleased with Bush, but will vote for him because he's better than a Democrat. I hate doing polls, but I was curious. __________________ "Erections lasting more than 4 hours, though rare, require immediate medical attention." Last edited by Scipio; 02-14-2004 at 08:40 PM..

02-14-2004, 10:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
mystmarimatt Omnipotent Ruler Of The Tiny Universe In My Mind Location: Oreegawn	I'm a Dean person, m'self, and since that's not likely to happen now, i'll take whatever i can get, as long as it's not Bush or Cheney. __________________ Words of Wisdom: If you could really get to know someone and know that they weren't lying to you, then you would know the world was real. Because you could agree on things, you could compare notes. That must be why people get married or make Art. So they'll be able to really know something and not go insane.

02-15-2004, 12:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
JamesS Crazy Location: Land of the Hanging Chad	I don't care for the current crew, so they will not be getting my vote or, for that matter, the votes of my parents - staunch Republicans. I expected a moderate furthering the reforms of Clinton - I got a man with no coherent foreign policy (campaigning against "nation building" and humanitarian intervention, and then getting us bogged down in Iraq - which had nothing to do with 9/11). As for domestic policy, the tax cuts and increased social spending have been taken too far - our accounts need to be put in order, and I don't see team Bush having a firm hand in that area. It pisses me off that, every year, communist China and other foreign creditors are claiming more and more of our increasing national debt. I have no particular affinity for some Democratic programs, so I do not know how I will vote in particular- only that GWB will not factor into the equation. __________________ The tragedy of life is what dies inside a man while he lives. -- Albert Schweitzer

02-15-2004, 04:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Well, I wont be voting, since I am not American, but in the current situation I would chose "the lesser of two evils" and vote for Bush's most credible opponent, if I had a vote. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

02-15-2004, 11:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
floydthebarber Insane Location: ?	I never vote against a party, but rather for the party that reflects my views. __________________ wish you were here

02-15-2004, 11:39 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tophat665 Minion of the scaléd ones Location: Northeast Jesusland	I sincerely hope that there will come a day when the Republican who is running is not so purely evil or totally incompetant (or both like this year) that I can in good conscious vote FOR the Democrat, rather than AGAINST the Republican, but that opportunity hasn't been there since Eisenhower, and, with the increasing polarization of the active American electorate, the increasingly aggressive cynicism and apathy amongst the inactive electorate, and the pathetic quality of citizenship training in schools, I don't know if that opportunity will present itself in the next 8 to 15 presidential elections I figure I'll be around for. (Of course, if the Bush Bund decides to go for a coup before they're driven from office, all bets may be off.) __________________ Light a man a fire, and he will be warm while it burns. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

02-15-2004, 12:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
Boo Leave me alone! Location: Alaska, USA	I don't believe that we need to change leadership in the middle of our current crisis. We just need to be ready when the new taxes come out. If we did decide to change, Kerry is NOT the person that I put my faith in. I would like to see Dean/Edwards in 2008. __________________ Back button again, I must be getting old.

02-15-2004, 01:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
Scipio Mencken Location: College	Dean's candidacy is over. It's just a matter of time until he opts out. The same is basically true for Edwards, though he has the luxury of staying in for what will become (and already is) a two man race. The main advantage Kerry has is his decision to opt out of federal financing. __________________ "Erections lasting more than 4 hours, though rare, require immediate medical attention."

02-15-2004, 11:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	I don't think this will come as much of a surprise, but I am supporting Senator Kerry. I am not sure Senator Edwards will be his V.P., but I like the ticket. If for some reason Kerry implodes and is not the nominee, I will vote for the Democrat (unless Hell freezes over and Kuchinich or Sharpton get the nomination). I am not a fan of the Bush administration and I really believe we need to move on and put the Bush behind us. edited for poor grammar and I am probably not done. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams

02-16-2004, 01:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	Bush is a fascist. 1984 scared me less than this man. I will vote for whoever has a chance of stopping him. __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend."

02-16-2004, 04:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
Benny Upright Location: Deep South	Hi Folks I'm new around here, but not new to being very unhappy with the current administration. I made this last night, it pretty much sums it up.

02-16-2004, 07:17 AM	#13 (permalink)
FoolThemAll Walking is Still Honest Location: Seattle, WA	Due to the Patriot Act's controversial provisions, lack of fiscal conservatism, and (to a much lesser extent) the position against gay marriage, I'll be voting against the democrats more than voting for Bush. __________________ I wonder if we're stuck in Rome.

02-16-2004, 09:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
FoolThemAll Walking is Still Honest Location: Seattle, WA	I disagree with the controversial provisions. Thus, my vote becomes less of a vote for what Bush stands for and more of a vote against what democrats stand for. Sorry for the confusion. __________________ I wonder if we're stuck in Rome.

02-16-2004, 02:21 PM	#16 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	I'll be voting for Bush. Big surprise huh? __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

02-17-2004, 02:40 PM	#22 (permalink)
mrbuck12000 Psycho Location: wisCONsin	Was this what you thought it would be?? mr b __________________ "There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, it's probably in Tennessee --that says, fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me ... You can't get fooled again." - G.W. Bush quoted by the Baltimore Sun - Oct 6, 2002

02-16-2004, 02:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
FaderMonkey Psycho Location: Orlando, FL	I can't think of many people that could run against Bush that I wouldn't vote for.

02-16-2004, 06:30 PM	#18 (permalink)
scrappmittens Upright Location: Upstate NY	GO KERRY Last edited by scrappmittens; 02-16-2004 at 06:44 PM..

02-16-2004, 07:26 PM	#19 (permalink)
Boo Leave me alone! Location: Alaska, USA	yes please and far away too. __________________ Back button again, I must be getting old.

02-16-2004, 08:14 PM	#20 (permalink)
Paq Junkie Location: South Carolina	I have to say it's not bush that i'd vote against...it's his whole freaking entourage. Bush isn't satan..he's just controlled by satan. He's a puppet, period, plain and simple, he really is just pushing through what everyone tells him to push through. Sometimes, it's a good thing to have a puppet president...now...i'd have to say no. Seriously, his "handlers' are more controlling than britney spears' handlers. mmm...handling britney spears...mmm..ok, back on topic. He's only allowed to speak when they say he can. Don't you find it odd he's currently the recordholder for least amount of press time of any president in modern times (since tv press conferences anyway). Seriously, they dont' let him speak too often when it's not highly scripted, edited and practiced. Who knows, i may even like the "real" bush if he would ever come around... So, with that said, i'll agree with another poster and say, there really aren't too many people i wouldn't vote for over bush. Not bc of my particular hatred of bush, but for everyone surrounding him. Heck, i would just vote against anyone Karl Rove is associated. __________________ Live. Chris

02-16-2004, 10:01 PM	#21 (permalink)
Dostoevsky Psycho Location: Macon, GA	I will vote for whoever is most likely to decrease the size of government. Although GWB has not done this, Republicans are still a better bet than Democrats. So I will vote for him once again. After looking at the Democratic candidates, I feel pretty confident about his chances of re-election. I would love for the Republican party to go back to its roots and start supporting smaller government again. Lower taxes, fewer social programs, no trade barriers, competitive markets for everything. That would be great. It seems to me that Republicans have moved left and Democrats have moved a little right and have basically become the same party. __________________ Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own highest value and, like all of man’s values, it has to be earned. It is not advisable, James, to venture unsolicited opinions. You should spare yourself the embarrassing discovery of their exact value to your listener. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

02-17-2004, 06:50 PM	#23 (permalink)
Paq Junkie Location: South Carolina	i must say that right now, 33 to 18 with democrats winning is NOT what i expected. Seriously, not even close, i was expecting a bit more of a balance between the two. __________________ Live. Chris

02-17-2004, 07:24 PM	#24 (permalink)
HarmlessRabbit Junkie Location: San Jose, CA	Good poll, nice discussion so far. Nice work, scipio. As stated already in this thread, I'm voting against Bush's policies: largest government ever, Patriot act, faith-based charities, appeasement of large health-care organization, mortgage of our future with tax cuts for the rich, needless going-it-alone in the Iraq war, ruinous foreign relations, and, finally, Ken Lay is still free. I would vote for a potted plant right now if I thought it could beat Bush.

02-17-2004, 08:26 PM	#25 (permalink)
theusername Insane	I guess im voting against Kerry. Would vote for Edwards. But i have a strong disliking for both Bush and Kerry just that I like Bush's go get them stance on national defense, i know a lot dont agree... Im hoping Edwards wins the nomination.

02-17-2004, 09:24 PM	#26 (permalink)
buffto Crazy Location: Missouri	my paramount priority is getting bush out.

02-17-2004, 10:28 PM	#27 (permalink)
Scipio Mencken Location: College	So far: anti-bush vs pro-dem 2:1 anti-dem vs pro bush 1:2 There's some incumbency advantage going on, but interesting and not unexpected. __________________ "Erections lasting more than 4 hours, though rare, require immediate medical attention."

02-17-2004, 11:19 PM	#28 (permalink)
Paq Junkie Location: South Carolina	hmm..it took me a minute to realize what you're saying... really, i think it's more troubling when looking at it that way It used to be that people would vote for bush, they genuinely liked him/whatever, and he's pissed off enough that more people dislike him and his party vs liking the opposite party/candidate. Like others have said, would vote for a flower pot vs putting bush back in... that is really kinda scary.. __________________ Live. Chris