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European Son · 01-24-2004, 04:41 PM

You have my condolences, I am not saying that 9/11 was irrelevant, just that it is in no way equal to ww2 or the civil war. Thus, i don't really think that this should be used as a excuse for reducing personal freedom. At wartime, the government might have to seize less democratic forms of control for a while, but a few acts of terrorism does not require such actions. I am sorry if I have unintentionally disrespected your loss, but I hope you agree that emotional factors such as this can't choke the debate.

It is not sure that the threat of terror is any greater now than pre-9/11, it might very well be smaller. The only difference is that they succeded this time. Yet, laws are passed as if the threat of terror is increasing. Ironically, many of the actions taken seems to initiate even more hatred and terror.

Lebell · 01-24-2004, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by smooth
/scratches head

Well, the usual response is that he would need to kill a carjacker.

Or, save an old lady from a mugger.

These are the usual responses from the gun crowd--don't know why they aren't holding to their usual mantra now.

How would he be able to get a trigger lock off a gun in time to be a hero?

The guy had a license to carry and he put it in his console. We don't know whether the child was in a car seat or whether he was too big to be in one. I wonder if all you gun carriers stick the thing in your pants whenever you run into 7-11?

Anyway, a little senstivitiy is in order--the guy lost his son because of an accident. It's an accident that would have been prevented had he placed a trigger lock on his gun or left it at home. Yet, whenever I mention such a restriction in various other threads the gun crowd wails that they won't be able to whip it out and kill a criminal in enough time.

It's also an accident that would have been prevented had he not been allowed to have a gun at all.

I'm fine with any of these suggestions, yet it isn't the "anti" gun crowd yelling about the right and duty to carry lethal weapons at the ready...

Well as a member of the "gun crowd" all of those responses would be good.

But what's the point?

The idiot fucked up as surely as looking down the barrel himself and pulling the trigger.

I'm sorry, but I'm not here to defend stupidity.

Edited to add: It's also an accident that would have been prevented if he had just followed basic gun safety, i.e., CCW holders don't let their guns out of their presence/control. And yes, that's EXACTLY what he should have done, stuck the gun in his pocket and gone into the 7/11.

wipeout · 01-26-2004, 01:23 PM

the father should be jailed--anyway who carries a gun in their car console unless they are a drug dealer

hrdwareguy · 01-26-2004, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by pocon1
Supermidget, I agree about teaching children proper gun control, but the child was three. At that point, they don't understand what they are doing.

I have to agree with both you and Supermidget. The child being 3 may not have understood what they were doing, but that was the parents fault. I have a son who is 2.5 years old. About a month ago, I started teaching him handgun safety.

He does not know where I keep my guns and he never sees me get them out or put them away. The gun is always unloaded whenever he and I look at it. Before he gets to hold it, we go through the firearm safety info. Never point it at anyone. Never point it at the animals...etc, etc, etc. He then gets to hold it under careful supervision. As long as he does not do anything unsafe with it, I don't have a problem.

The last time I showed him a gun, he accidently pointed it toward me. I quickly took the gun away and told him no. You could see the disappointment in his eyes as he knew he had done something wrong. He didn't completely understand what it was that was wrong, but he new it was something. We talked about it so I knew he knew exactly what he had done for me to take it away from him. After we talked about it, he got to hold it again and he was more careful with it. I fully intend to take him shooting when he is 4.

hrdwareguy · 01-26-2004, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by MichaelFarker
A kid can get out of anything (except Duck Tape) really quickly.

True, my kid does this, but he has learned only to do it with permission.

hrdwareguy · 01-26-2004, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by smooth
/scratches head

The guy had a license to carry and he put it in his console. We don't know whether the child was in a car seat or whether he was too big to be in one. I wonder if all you gun carriers stick the thing in your pants whenever you run into 7-11?

Actually, Yes. The only place I don't carry are places that strictly prohibit it. Hell, I sit at my desk at work and clean guns. Both my own and the ones that belong to other people in my office.

hrdwareguy · 01-26-2004, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Lebell
Edited to add: It's also an accident that would have been prevented if he had just followed basic gun safety, i.e., CCW holders don't let their guns out of their presence/control. And yes, that's EXACTLY what he should have done, stuck the gun in his pocket and gone into the 7/11.

I hadn't given this much thought prior to this, but in the future when I get to a place where I am not allowed to carry, I believe i will leave the gun in the car and stick the magazine in my pocket. Unless of course I'm going into a government building in which case I'll think of something better to do.

In Oklahoma you can leave your concealed carry gun in your car while it is parked on a college campus. I have done this many many times. Vehicle was locked and no one else was in it. No big deal. Like I said, guess I'll have to put the bullets in my pocket.

hrdwareguy · 01-26-2004, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by wipeout
the father should be jailed--anyway who carries a gun in their car console unless they are a drug dealer

/me raises hand

I do, and I'm no drug dealer.

Tophat665 · 01-26-2004, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Ustwo
Problems with gun saftey tend to be democrat issues.

Guess who?

Kerry? Couldn't be. Must be Clinton. Looking right down the barrel with the bolt closed. For a Rhodes scholar, he sure did have his shining moments of stupidity, didn't he? Right down the barrel! Jeezus! Well, I suppose he had some sympathy for Monica anyway.

Lebell · 01-26-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Tophat665
Kerry? Couldn't be. Must be Clinton. Looking right down the barrel with the bolt closed. For a Rhodes scholar, he sure did have his shining moments of stupidity, didn't he? Right down the barrel! Jeezus! Well, I suppose he had some sympathy for Monica anyway.

Just an FYI,

There's no magazine in that rifle.

Not that there couldn't be one in the chamber, but in all fairness, there might be more to that picture than it indicates.

debaser · 01-27-2004, 03:57 AM

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Originally posted by Ustwo
Problems with gun saftey tend to be democrat issues.

Guess who?

It is Al Gore. The picture was taken in Vietnam. Where was GW?

merkerguitars · 01-30-2004, 07:08 PM

Yeah...anybody that has kids or has been around them knows they will play with anything that they can get their hands on....load gun was a bad idea.....hell that kid could of killed him self with a knife left in the car too....

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European Son Banned Location: Norway	You have my condolences, I am not saying that 9/11 was irrelevant, just that it is in no way equal to ww2 or the civil war. Thus, i don't really think that this should be used as a excuse for reducing personal freedom. At wartime, the government might have to seize less democratic forms of control for a while, but a few acts of terrorism does not require such actions. I am sorry if I have unintentionally disrespected your loss, but I hope you agree that emotional factors such as this can't choke the debate. It is not sure that the threat of terror is any greater now than pre-9/11, it might very well be smaller. The only difference is that they succeded this time. Yet, laws are passed as if the threat of terror is increasing. Ironically, many of the actions taken seems to initiate even more hatred and terror.