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Conclamo Ludus · 01-09-2004, 09:28 AM

Its interesting that given the same privileged information that Bush was given, Clinton believes that Iraq had WMD's too. Hopefully this won't turn into a Clinton vs. Bush bashing thread.

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Friday January 9, 4:18 PM
Clinton believes Iraq had weapons of mass destruction: Portugal PM

Former US president Bill Clinton said in October during a visit to Portugal that he was convinced Iraq had weapons of mass destruction up until the fall of Saddam Hussein, Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Manuel Durao Barroso said.

"When Clinton was here recently he told me he was absolutely convinced, given his years in the White House and the access to privileged information which he had, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction until the end of the Saddam regime," he said in an interview with Portuguese cable news channel SIC Noticias.

Clinton, a Democrat who left office in 2001, met with Durao Barroso on October 21 when he travelled to Lisbon to give a speech on globalization.

The US justified going to war against Iraq last year citing the threat posed by Baghdad's weapons of mass destruction.

Republican President George W. Bush used Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programmes and Saddam Hussein's ties to terrorism as the main case to the United Nations for the US-led war against Iraq.

But since the US occupation of Iraq, American forces have failed to uncover any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons since the war. Hundreds of experts are still scouring Iraq in the hunt.

An influential Washington think-tank said Thursday the Bush administration "systematically" inflated the threat from Iraq's weapons programmes in a bid to strengthen its push for military action against Iraq last year.

In its report, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace also said it was unlikely that Iraq could have destroyed, hidden or moved out of the country hundreds of weapons of mass destruction without Washington detecting some sign of activity.

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It looks to me that its poor intelligence, not a case of presidents lying.

Lebell · 01-09-2004, 10:13 AM

So many too reply to, I'll just say that nothing I've seen posted since my last post has caused me to change my mind.

All I've seen is opinion, which everyone is welcome to have.

Hasta.

Lebell · 01-09-2004, 10:16 AM

BTW, I also mistyped; I meant West Berlin and during the 60's airlift.

I believe we can also take most of the responsibility for the collapse of all those communist governments back in the 90's.

Hasta.

Dragonlich · 01-09-2004, 12:12 PM

Might I point out that not everybody on this side of the pond "hates" the US? In fact, I'd say many Dutch people agree with the US' attack on Iraq, just like many oppose it. I'd say that'd be the general feeling all over Europe. Claiming everyone hates the US because *you* hate the US is just wishful thinking.

floydthebarber · 01-09-2004, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Dragonlich
Might I point out that not everybody on this side of the pond "hates" the US? In fact, I'd say many Dutch people agree with the US' attack on Iraq, just like many oppose it. I'd say that'd be the general feeling all over Europe. Claiming everyone hates the US because *you* hate the US is just wishful thinking.

I don't know if you are responding to me or to Sty, but I never used the word "hate". I used "don't like or respect" which IMO is different.
I personally could care less what people think of America just as some Americans here don't seem to give a shit what the rest of the world thinks of them.

Dragonlich · 01-09-2004, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by floydthebarber
I don't know if you are responding to me or to Sty, but I never used the word "hate". I used "don't like or respect" which IMO is different.
I personally could care less what people think of America just as some Americans here don't seem to give a shit what the rest of the world thinks of them.

Okay, but if I replace "hate" with "don't like or respect", I still have the same message: not everybody has that feeling all over Europe, as some people seem to be claiming. Just because many people protest the war, doesn't mean that everyone that does not go out to protest suddenly agrees with them.

Sparhawk · 01-10-2004, 09:09 AM

The most support Bush has in Europe is in Britain, with a favorability rating around 25%. It is less in other countries. I haven't met any Europeans that actually dislike or hate Americans though, just the administration.

01-09-2004, 10:13 AM	#42 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	So many too reply to, I'll just say that nothing I've seen posted since my last post has caused me to change my mind. All I've seen is opinion, which everyone is welcome to have. Hasta. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

01-09-2004, 10:16 AM	#43 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	BTW, I also mistyped; I meant West Berlin and during the 60's airlift. I believe we can also take most of the responsibility for the collapse of all those communist governments back in the 90's. Hasta. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

01-10-2004, 09:09 AM	#47 (permalink)
Sparhawk Dubya Location: VA	The most support Bush has in Europe is in Britain, with a favorability rating around 25%. It is less in other countries. I haven't met any Europeans that actually dislike or hate Americans though, just the administration. __________________ "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

01-09-2004, 12:12 PM	#44 (permalink)
Dragonlich 42, baby! Location: The Netherlands	Might I point out that not everybody on this side of the pond "hates" the US? In fact, I'd say many Dutch people agree with the US' attack on Iraq, just like many oppose it. I'd say that'd be the general feeling all over Europe. Claiming everyone hates the US because you hate the US is just wishful thinking.