rogue49

HEY!

Does anybody else other than Sparhawk,
have any more examples than the inital four people given?

Come people, think.

I'll come up with mine as soon as I get home.

Sparhawk

Some more Republicans I respect a great deal:

Bob Dole
Colin Powell
Anthony Zinni
George H.W. Bush
Wesley Clark (heehee!)
John McCain (I agree that he belongs on this list)

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mystmarimatt

Abraham Lincoln....though i bet that one is a bit outdated. hehe.

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Sparhawk

Warren Rudman should also be added to this list (R, New Hampshire) who, along with Gary Hart (D, Colorado) had the foresight, long before September 11, to call for a much tougher stand against terrorism, and Al Qaeda in particular.

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mrbuck12000

Any of those cheese-ball republican hardball radio guys. I was listening to a guy named shawn hannity. Who let this nazi on the air??

mr b

Endymon32

I wasnt aware that Hannity killed 12 million people.

Tophat665

You didn't hear about that trial in Rwanda where they put three media execs in prison for incitement to murder? Hannity will have his moment against the wall when the revolution comes. /channeling Strange Famous


Good point.
Republicans I respect:
Abraham Lincoln
Olympia Snow
Connie Morella
Wesley Clarke
Dwight Eisenhower
Jim Jeffords
Lowell Weiker
Quentin Kendall (GWB's Virginia campaign manager, and only because I know the man personally and am 100% certain that he was hoodwinked by his iron sense of honor.)

Democrats I respect:
Robert Byrd (At this point he's too old to have anything to lose by doing anything but speaking his mind. Let me suggest that one can safely ignore his bigoted past at this point; I really think he has left it behind him.)
Chris Dodd
Gary Hart
Walter Cronkite
Jimmy Carter
Howard Dean
John Edwards
John Kerry (Not enough to vote for him, though)
Dick Gephardt (Ditto)
Molly Ivins
Al Gore
Bartcop

Republicans I have no respect for:
John Breaux (as with Wesley Clark, I'm going with the party of the heart here, not the party of record.)
Tom Delay
Pat Buchanan
Pat Robertson
Jerry Falwell
George W. Bush and everyone in his administration except Colin Powell
Elizabeth Dole (Media whore. What was that Iran thing? Worry not, the Dems get theirs later.)
Ronald Reagan (Poetic Justice)
Robert Bork
Bill Bennett
Antonin Scalia
Chief Justice Rhenquist
Clarence Thomas
Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
The list could continue for pages, suffice it to say that if I didn't list them as respected there's better than an 80% chance it's because I haven't got any for them.)

Democrats I have no respect for:
Joe Lieberman
Hillary Clinton (Not that I wouldn't vote for her if she were nominated)
Carol Mosely Braun
Barbara Boxer
Henry Waxman
... All the rest that think that gov't is your daddy
Al Sharpton (Clown. Racist one at that.)

And one who fits in every one of those categories: Bill Clinton

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Ustwo

It might be more meaningful if you WHY you respected/didn't respect someone. Otherwise its rather pointless.

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Endymon32

tophat,

why would you vote for a person you have no respect for?

Sparhawk

Ustwo and Endymon32, 18 posts in this thread between the two of you, with exactly 0 "Good and Bad, Republicans and Democrats".

It might be more meaningful if YOU actually contributed. Otherwise, it's rather pointless.

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Endymon32

I respect

Bush
Cheney
Powel
Ashcroft

For doing what should have been done, doing it the right way. And making the world safer in the process

I do not respect

Howard Dean
for pandering to fear and saying what he thinks will get him support even though he is clearly wrong and knows it ( "the world is not safer")
For ignoring his states atomic energy commision and then claiming to be for the enviroment, for giving tax cuts for the rich and claiming he is for the poor of vernmont.

Al Sharpton nuff said

Micheal Moore for just plain lying every time he breaths

Wesly Clark, for never answering a question, and for ording our troops to fire on allies, for hanging out with wanted war criminals instead of turning him in, as was his duty.

Hilary Clinton for being a carpet bagger opportunist that failed at ever public responciblity she ever held ( where is my universal health care you were apointed to get?)
She gives nice speaches, but why does she not stand behind her words?

nanofever

I really wish you were kidding and yet I know you aren't.

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Originally Posted by Norseman on another forum:
"Yeah, the problem with the world is the stupid people are all cocksure of themselves and the intellectuals are full of doubt."

Endymon32

Why? Please cite examples to explain your postion.

Ustwo

Ashcroft is the devil, didn't you know that?

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Tophat665

That's two party politics for you. In order for the people who I do respect most to have maximum effect, it seems reasonable to me to support what otherwise might be some pretty awful folks. Joe Lieberman is another one who I might find myself forced to support at some point, even though I think the difference between him and Dubya are a haircut and one old dead hippy. Will I like it? No. Would I vote for a Republican? While I can envision circumstances in which that might be a viable action for me to take, in the current climate, polarized as it is, I do not see how those circumstances could come about in the next twenty years.

Now, as for why I respect or don't respect some of these folks:
Olympia Snow, Connie Morella, Lowell Weiker, and Jim Jeffords have been willing to tell their party (which I believe to have he wrong vision for this country) that it was wrong on occasion, and Jeffords even had the balls to back it up.

Dwight Eisenhower was a general, so he has the defense of country in the last meaninful war in which we were involved in his favor, but he recognized and spoke about the dangers of the "Military Industrial Complex. You hear that phrase so much from fringe leftists these days that it's easy to forget it's Ike's.

Abraham Lincoln kept the country whole.

Quentin Kendall has personal honor in spades.

Now, as for Clark, I respect his shrewdness in seeing that another Republican would be a viable alternative to Bush, but that he needed to challenge from the Democratic side to stand a chance of winning. I don't think it's a big chance, but I would vote for him if it came up. Further, it seems to me that Kosovo remains a pointful and successful operation, pretty well carried out. He has been plain spoken and direct, and able to change his mind when better ideas occurred or were presented him before, but, as his early poll performance has show, that doesn't play so well , so he has changed his style to suit. Frankly, I think he would make a fine Secretary of Defense.

That covers Republicans I respect, but that's as much time as I want to spend on it at the moment. Perhaps more later.

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nanofever

Citing example that ashcroft is a douche, what fun this will be...

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0148/hentoff.php
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in512021.shtml
http://baltimorechronicle.com/perspective_dec01.html http://archive.aclu.org/congress/l101701a.html
http://archive.aclu.org/news/2002/n032002b.html
http://www.talkleft.com/archives/004058.html
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/313/1/3/
http://www.aclu-em.org/newslett/2001libe/aclurepo/
http://www.aclj.org/news/nationalsec...u_denounce.asp
http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/sep03/170277.asp
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0315-04.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views/122800-102.htm
http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/John_Ashcroft_Drugs.htm
http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/John...t_Abortion.htm
http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/John...d_Security.htm
http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/John...vil_Rights.htm
http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/John_Ashcroft_Crime.htm
http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/John..._Education.htm

Actually I could list every issues2002 with ashcroft, he's that much of a douche, but in the interest of time I'll stop there.

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/02/features-mikulan.php

Attacks on Civil liberties, believes christanity should be the required national religion, put chong in jail, put cloths on a topless statue in justice department... the list goes on and on, Ashcroft is the biggest douche ever.

*mods forgive the gratatious use of the word of "douche" but ashcroft is a really big douche

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Originally Posted by Norseman on another forum:
"Yeah, the problem with the world is the stupid people are all cocksure of themselves and the intellectuals are full of doubt."

Ustwo

Of the handful of non-leftwing/ far-leftwing, sites, all were opinion pieces except for the Liberian bit.

Since its Ashcroft’s job to enforce the laws the the land not MAKE the laws, and the patriot act IS the law of the land, Ashcroft would be an asshat for NOT following it. Its not his job to decide which laws are 'worthy', unlike say, a left wing judge who thinks it is.

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Sparhawk

lol

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nanofever

1. So what if they are left-wing, ad homs are bad.
2. So what if they are opinion pieces, it goes to show other people believe ashcroft is a douche too. also an ad hom
3. Issues2000 is straight from congress/statements, no spin
4. Ashcroft does create law by influencing bush, who might I add is a puppet of rums/cheny since he gets all of his info from them.

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Originally Posted by Norseman on another forum:
"Yeah, the problem with the world is the stupid people are all cocksure of themselves and the intellectuals are full of doubt."

Endymon32

Bush doesnt make laws either.

nanofever

To believe that the president doesn't have a massive influence on the legislature is at best naive, at worst grossly ignorant.

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Originally Posted by Norseman on another forum:
"Yeah, the problem with the world is the stupid people are all cocksure of themselves and the intellectuals are full of doubt."

MuadDib

Good:
John McCain (R)
Chuck Hagel (R)
Mark Dayton (D)
Dennis Kucinich (D)
Late Paul Welstone (D)

Bad:
Ben Nelson (D)
Christopher Dodd (D)
Joseph Lieberman (D)
Bill Frist (R)
Orrin Hatch (R)
Trent Lott (R)

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Endymon32

And Bush still doesnt make laws. Congress does.

filtherton

Not for lack of trying. wink wink guantanamo bay, wink wink easing restrictions on coal power plants, wink wink, more arsenic for everybody.

Endymon32

Somthing in your eyes?

Strange Famous

All Republians and Democrats are far to the right of me politically

but I would say

American Democrat I like - Howard Zinn
American Democtat I dont like - Bill Clinton, John Kennedy

American Republican I like - Joseph Lieberman (if I had to pick one)
American Republican I hate - Dubya, Rice

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debaser

I used to be a big MM fan. I thought he did a good job of Roger and Me. I started to watch his TV Nation religiously (Karen Duffy was hawt!). Then one night he did a feature on the Michigan Militia. Now, don't get me wrong, I despise the whole militia movement, and sympathize with them not at all. What I saw though, was a pompous, holier-than-thou prick goading a bunch of simple, poor, uneducated guys who were down on their luck and pissed off. He degraded them on national TV for 15 heavily edited minutes, and they never caught on to what he was doing. I haven't watched any of his rubbish since.

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SecretMethod70

He's a democrat, but you're not from here so that's ok

He's also the reason I came to this thread. Did a search in Tilted Politics for Lieberman and found his name mentioned here. So I'll add my 2c and say that every single time I see Joe Lieberman this presidential campaign I gain more and more respect for him. He's the only Democratic candidate with reasonable views, and he's also a class-A gentleman.

He's near the top of my list of potential people I'd vote for in November (haven't seen who the third-party candidates are yet so I can't say he's at the top).

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