filtherton

Oooh, ooooh, i have another:

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0011/02/se.05.html


I guess we all know how solid bush's aversion to nation building actually was. At least he didn't precede his statement with "read my lips".

tritium

Who hijacked this thread? I thought this was about presidential lies and not who won Florida. Man, this thread got WAY off topic.

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nanofever

Hate to burst your bubble but you can't really prove that you don't have something...

I mean how exactly was Saddam suppost to prove he didn't have weapons ?

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Originally Posted by Norseman on another forum:
"Yeah, the problem with the world is the stupid people are all cocksure of themselves and the intellectuals are full of doubt."

Endymon32

He was to lead the weapon inspectors to the site where they were destroyed. Instead he led them on a wild goose chase. He could have handed the inspectors the documentation, and then led them to the dump, but instead he choose 12 years of starvation for his people. Good Riddance.

prb

Clean Air Initiative.
Clean Water Initiative.
I chocked on a pretzel.
If elected, I will be a uniter, not a divider. The U.S. will not be an arrogant nation among nations.
Mission accomplished.
Buckle your seatbelts! Saddam has WMD! And he'll be coming after us!
Yellow cake.
Drones.
I want to get to the bottom of the Valerie Plame scandal. This is not how this administration operates.
Leave no child behind.
I don't know Kenneth Lay and have never talked with him. (You mean Kenny Boy?)

/Just a partial list.

MSD

I think that the ballot itself was flawed in such a way that it was easier to make a mistake when intending to vote Democrat than when intending to vote Republican. Had the Republican and Democrat spots on the ballot been switched, I think that the same mistakes would have been made in favor of Gore.

The issue is that the ballot is poorly designed, and should be replaced with a system that is easier to understand at a glance, clearly displays which candidate a vote is cast for, and allows the vote to be changed before it is registered wihtout invalidating the ballot.

Quote:

More Fuel For Fla. Election Fire WASHINGTON, June 5, 2001 (Photo: AP) Blacks were nearly 10 times as likely as whites to have their ballots rejected. (AP) A divided U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has concluded that minority voters were unjustly penalized by the way the 2000 presidential election was conducted in Florida. A draft version of a commission report was made available to a number of news outlets Monday evening — prior to being provided to all commission members. Three newspapers said the report, which is expected to be formally released at a commission meeting Friday, criticizes Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Secretary of State Katherine Harris for not making sure election procedures — including the types of voting machines and ballots used — did not discriminate against certain voters. But the commission inquiry found no "conclusive evidence" that officials "conspired" to disenfranchise minority and disabled voters, the report added. The Washington Post, one of the papers that obtained an advance copy of the draft report, quoted R. Doug Lewis, director of the Houston-based Election Center, as saying Bush and Harris had little control of the 67 county voting supervisors in Florida and that the commission showed "a lack of understanding about how the process works." The two Republican appointees to the eight-member commission told The New York Times they had not been consulted and suggested that providing parts of the report early could overshadow the full report when it is issued later. One of the two, Russell Redenbaugh, told the Times the report's conclusions of discrimination were not supported by the evidence and that its early release of the report was intended to further the political agenda of the chairwoman, Mary Frances Berry, who supported former Vice President Al Gore in the presidential election. "There are a number of people who are so displeased with the outcome of the election that they would do almost anything to cast a cloud over the legitimacy of the election and the legitimacy of this administration," said Redenbaugh. "Sometimes people who believe that their cause is a correct one lose sight of the procedural violations and believe that the means they pursue are justified by the goodness of the ends they desire." A spokesman told the Times that Berry declined to comment, saying she could not discuss the report before its formal release, since all the commissioners had not received a copy. The advisory commission has no enforcement authority and the Los Angeles Times, one of the papers that got an advance report, noted in its account that the Florida Legislature has already passed laws addressing a number of the commission's complaints. Unequal access to modern voting equipment and "overzealous efforts" to purge state voter lists most harshly affected blacks in the state that decided the November election for President Bush, the commission said. Fifty-four percent of votes rejected during the Florida election were cast by black voters, according to the report. Blacks accounted for 11 percent of voters statewide. Advisers tGov. Bush and Harris were angered by the report's early release. Harris' spokesman, David Host, told the Post the leak was "both fraudulent and shameful" because Harris' response is not due until later this week. The commission held three days of hearings, interviewed 100 witnesses and reviewed 118,000 documents. Some of the key findings: Blacks were nearly 10 times as likely as whites to have their ballots rejected. Poor counties populated by minorities were more likely to use voting systems that rejected larger percentages of ballots than more affluent counties. Some Hispanic and Haitian voters were not provided ballots in their native languages, and physical barriers sometimes kept disabled voters from entering polling sites.

Endymon32

I posted why the black voters were rejected and how they had six weeks to clear up the mess BEFORE the election, the people that ignored the mailings were rejected at the polls when it was too late to fix the problem.
In Florida convicted felons can not vote. All people that could not vote were sent a letter explaining why they were on that list. If it was not them, they had six weeks to mail back the flyer so the problem could be fixed. The blacks that were turned down at the polls didnt return the flyer, and it was too late to fix the problem.
Just as non registered voters can not vote, In Florida you have to return the flyers that say there may be a problem with your registration. Dont blame the polls when it was advertised on TV that you had six weeks to return the flyers, in the Newspapers and IN YOUR MAIL.
This is just one of the mistruths that Moore and those like him have been harping on, only telling half the story. Why did Blacks and Hispanics not return the flyers more than whits? I dont know. Go ask them.

Carlo Marx

Have his country invaded by a foreign nation playing policeman to the world and then have them search the country for over a year looking for WMD and come up with the same thing that the UN weapons inspectors did.................Nothing.


I don't support "President" Bush at all, however I do believe Sadam Hussien was a very bad man, and that the world is better place without him in power. Could "President" Bush of just said that instead of there is an imment threat from Iraq using WMD.


My Favorite Bush Administration Lie:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

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EeOh1

Like him or not, don't put quotations around President. It's insulting. Whether you like or not, that's precisely what he is.

And as Endymon pointed out, all Saddam had to do was hand over the proper documentation. He failed to account for all of his weapons, and that is what lead us to this war.

Iraq produced tons of weapons: 550 artillery shells filled with mustard gas, 107,500 casings for chemical weapons, 157 aerial bombs filled with germ agents, 25 missile warheads containing germ agents (like anthrax), and other stuff I don't care to list; this is all stuff they've admitted to having. Iraq never properly told us, to our satisfaction, where these weapons went.

If this weren't enough, the Bush administration uncovered what they thought to be new threats of "weapons of mass destruction." Considering we haven't found anything yet, might this information have been false? Yeah, definately. But would it have been reckless and irresponsible of America not to react to this intelligence? Definately. "Well, we've received information that they've got weapons that could blow us out of the water, but considering we haven't actually been hit by any of it, shouldn't we just wait?" No, no, and no.

Side-tracked? Oh yeah, baby, but I don't much care for this thread's original use anyway.

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BigGov

Did Saddam have WMD's at one point in time? Yes, of course, we gave him many.

Did Saddam have scientists capable of producing WMD's? Yes.

Did Saddam cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors? No.

Besides, look at how far Iraq has came in the past few months. It has been less than a year and Saddam has been ousted and captured, his sons are dead, and an Iraqi government is starting to form.

That is A LOT of work.

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SLM3

Lots of work, indeed.


Tens of thousands dead, 16 hour power outages in many areas, millions still unemployed, etc, etc, etc

But it's justified because Saddam was an imminent threat who was going to attack the US any day now.

That's yesterday's rhetoric, though. It's gone from imminent 45 minute danger to potential programs perhaps being run by people who might intend to use them on Americans or their allies.


SLM3

Endymon32

99% of schools opened (

90% of power and water.

Salaries up 12 to 17 times

Real estate values up

Over 80% democratically elected local leaders

Less deaths this year than any other year in Saddam's reign, ( funny the safest year was the year the Evil Americans invaded)

Foriegn buisnesses investing in Iraq

Not bad in a few months.

I am proud of my President for taking the hard choice and standing up to a corrupt UN.

SLM3

sources? I'd love to learn more.



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nanofever

I could swear Saddam produced a 1000 some-odd page showing just that but the point I was trying to make is that it is impossible to prove a negative. I mean Endymon logically prove that you don't have WMD in your basement.

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Originally Posted by Norseman on another forum:
"Yeah, the problem with the world is the stupid people are all cocksure of themselves and the intellectuals are full of doubt."

Endymon32

But I Didnt sign a treaty that said i would provide the documents to show you that i had gotten rid of the WMD and give you full and unfettered access to all the information you need to verify this.

And its not proving a negative, its proving a postive. Looking for the ruins of what existed is still a positive. Take what every leftie claims we sold them, put it in heap, and lead the UN inspectors to that heap. Then hand over the documents that go with it.

That was never done.

SSJTWIZTA

I have a clip of a video called "unpresidented" on my NoFX-The war on errorism cd. It shows how the polls were rigged in fla durring the election. And I like the lie bush told about putting money into the school systems. He's spent billions on this war and where the fuck is my education!?!

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madp

Right. . .noFX is about as credible as Baghdad Bob when it comes to politics.

I can show you statistics from various websites that allege that all the anti-war protests were staged by communists and muslim terrorist-sympathizers. . . that doesn't make it true.

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Ustwo

He spent billions on education too. Now get your education like the rest of us and pay for it.

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silent_jay

some sources would be nice or are we to take you on your word.
of course foriegn businesses are building iraq there all bush's buddies. it's still like a boys club.

your info seems a little off from what is being said on the news

as for salaries up 12-17% why are people still dying when they proteset they haven't been paid in months?

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nanofever

You misunderstood, the salaries are for the US businessmen who got no-bid contracts.

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Originally Posted by Norseman on another forum:
"Yeah, the problem with the world is the stupid people are all cocksure of themselves and the intellectuals are full of doubt."

Ustwo

Thats 12-17 TIMES, big difference.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/G...on_031102.html
Mmmmm google is good.

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silent_jay

ah the rich getting richer, or is it the boy's club?

that's great for the teachers but what about the rest of the people. thier still rioting because some haven't been paid for months

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Ustwo

The teachers were the first ones I grabbed, I'm not here to do your homework for you.

Also if you did your homework you would know who was protesting and why. Its not 'the rest of the people', but two specific groups. Please go look them up.

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Endymon32

Granted by Clinton, not Bush see the Haliburton didnt profit thread.

silent_jay

yes mom the other groups are the police officer, the military that was disbanded talk about a brainfart, the merchants, the doctors, anyone else i should mention. I can't express my views w/o calling names and cheers had to edit me

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reconmike

Get a job and pay for it, why the hell should I have to be taxed to GIVE YOU an education?

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Ustwo

To bad I missed it

Anyways, there was a protest over some of the ex-army not getting their onetime payout of $40, and there was another protest by the police for only getting $60 a month when promised $120. All the reports I found were on the protest, no follow up stories of course to see if they got paid or not.

I looked and the only other thing I could find was a blurb about doctors on the socialist workers website. You can take that for what its worth.

If you have any current links please post them.

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silent_jay

you didn't miss much i was in a bad mood at the time sorry for that even though you didn't see it. i'll take a look for links.

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Dilbert1234567

to many lies to chose from...

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Sparhawk

"The vast majority of my tax cut goes to those at the bottom end of the spectrum, by far."

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almostaugust

My favourite lies are that 'Saddams WMDs can be armed and used agasinst us within 40minutes'. The truth of the matter is that Iraq has been known as a 'contained threat' since 1994, and was one of the weakest countries in the Gulf area, with as yet no WMD's found. Im also in stunned admiration of the way that he rhetorically twisted 'all out war and agression' to 'pre-emptive strike'.

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One bush lie is the economy is getting better.

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Mojo_PeiPei

Willful delusion at its finest.

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2wolves

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Conflicts with the Patriot Act(s) so I don't know if this qualifies as a lie.

2Wolves

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Not That It Was Reported, but Gore Won
Of course, this is all nice and dandy for voters that could actually vote, but for far too many, that simply wasn't the case. As the BBC reporter, Greg Palast, discovered and detailed in the 1st chapter of his book, _The Best Democracy Money Can Buy_, over 90,000 voters, mostly Blacks and Hispanics, were wrongly barred from voting in the Florida election by Florida Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, and Jeb Bush in an election "officially" determined by only 537 votes. Too bad the U.S. corporate media didn't find this fit to print either...

http://www.gregpalast.com/contents.htm

hammer4all

This should provide a good summary:

The Bush Administration's Top 40 Lies about War and Terrorism

hammer4all

Here is my favorite Bush lie:

"Let me finish please. But by far the vast majority of my tax cuts go to the bottom end of the spectrum. And this language about Governor Bush's only has tax cuts for the rich, sounds exactly like Al Gore." -- Bush on February 15, 2000, South Carolina presidential debate

Of course in private, he knew better:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...le592330.shtml

You can learn about the tax cuts and how much they did(or didn't) affect you here: http://www.ctj.org