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LINKY

The only thing I want to know is why she'd stay with a cheater? Wanna bet that's not in the book. Doesn't matter, I know the answer. She's a weak woman. Period.

You dude, you have a woody right now?

The_Dude

i think somebody already answered that question on tfp.

cuz that's good for her political image.

i really remember this, would you rather wanna be known as the ex-wife of ex-prez or wife of ex-prez, w/ the ex-prez campaigning for you?

sorry i cant credit the author cuz i dont remember the name (and i'm too lazy to search)

anyway, she's a smart woman.



besides, how many couples in the country do you think have a spousal affiar and still are together?

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sixate

If she had any self respect she'd rather be the ex-wife of the lying cheating ex-president. She has zero respect for herself so I have none for her either.

To answer the second question.... Too god damn many. Just cause people do it doesn't make it right.

The_Dude

dude, it's THEIR life, let them live however you want.

you shouldnt be the moral judge of what is right and wrong for other people.

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Phaenx

We are. If they want votes they'd better straighten up.

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The_Dude

i'd vote for her!

i like her because of her liberal views, she's a stauch women-rights activist and does many other things that i think is great.


i think y'all just hate her cuz she's a woman and you dont want a woman running the country.























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sixate

But it's OK for you to be a moral judge about how we treat some damn terrorist kids that are in Quantanamo??? And it's OK to be a moral judge about the war in Iraq? Those are all other people. Why are you trying to decide what's right or wrong for them? Make up your mind Dude.

The_Dude

that's different.

those kids down there are NOT free = does NOT have liberties.

these are 2 diff situations that are non-comparable


i never morally judged the war in iraq

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sixate

What kind of example does she set for women when she can't even stand up to her asshole husband? You have to be kidding.

I just don't want a weak woman who can't even stand up to an asshole who cheats on her running my country. What makes me think she could ever stand up to any other man?

sixate

Now all of a sudden you sing a different tune cause it's something you belive in. That's funny. You have never supported the war and have only had bad things to say. You do morally judge it wether you think so or not. We all do. I don't have any problems with the war morally. You can't say that can you. I didn't think so. I think I just proved my point....

Can I say I just love talking about this kind of shit with you. I'll give you credit for never backing down.

Phaenx

I wouldn't, if she wants my vote she has to show me she's competent, charismatic, and strong. It's well within my rights to be a moral judge, If I don't like her, I'm not voting for her, it's that simple. It's her job to change her lifestyle to fit the needs of the voters, I am in no way obligated to change my way of thinking because it infringes on her right to be someone I don't like.

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Liquor Dealer

"i think y'all just hate her cuz she's a woman and you dont want a woman running the country."

There are women that are capable of running the country - there are several women capable of running the country - This is not one of them.

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weedline

Her books should have been named:
It Takes a Village to Raise a Drunken Wastrel.
Invitation to Sack the White House.
Dear Sox Dear Buddy Why Are You Locked Basement?
A Lying History.
Or A Lying His Story?

The_Dude

going to war has nothing to do w/ anybody's personal lives.

i said i dont judge anybody's personal lives.

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SaltPork

Agreed. Hillary Clinton is out for herself and no one else. You can afford to be that way if you're not a politician, otherwise, you work for the people and you need to act accordingly. Of course, many male politicians fall under the same umbrella as her, but she seems to do a lot less to hide it.

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sixate

You have to be kidding me. Tell that to the people of Iraq, and tell that to the families who have people serving in the military. I just don't get you sometimes. I see you avoided answering a question I asked. I'll ask again.

You do morally judge the war wether you think so or not. We all do. I don't have any problems with the war morally. You can't say that can you?

darksparkles

we don't know she didn't stand up to her husband. it's their private life. you know they definitely talked about it, it's hard NOT to. standing up to her husband doesn't nessicarily mean leaving him.

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sixate

Well, that's just a huge difference of opinion we have. Any woman who stays in an abusive realtionship is weak and has no self respect as far as I'm concerned.

Simple_Min

And I suppose Mrs. George W Bush fits the American image of a woman?

"Indeed, Mrs. Bush is in many ways most noteworthy for her intensely admirable inclination to allow her husband to methodically overshadow each and every element of her unfortunately female being. Such is the way and the path of a goodly Republican first lady. "

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Liquor Dealer

You took a chunk out of the White House.org. website - if anyone is interested in reading the rest it is here:

http://www.whitehouse.org/administration/laura.asp

Mrs. Bush has no interest in politics. She never has had any interest in politics other than trying to push her special agenda for education. I know of no president's wife who was in a position to hold public office with any ability of her own - including Hillary.

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Mr. Mojo

I would never vote for Hillary for anything. She's getting by on name recognition alone. So far, she's done nothing for NY, that wasn’t going to happen anyway.

A women I would vote for President - <a target=new href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/PoliticalNation/profile_rice.html"><b>Dr. Condoleezza Rice</b> </a> She's one tough lady, who doesn’t take any shit. If you see her on some Sunday talk show, I suggest you watch. She would blow Hillary away in a debate on anything…

But I'm sure lots of people are going to have problems with her. She worked for Chevron (she had a tanker named after her, that’s since been renamed) Charles Schwab; Transamerica Corp., and was a Prof at Stanford. But I want some one who made money in the real world and has had a job. I don’t want fuck-ups who never tried anything in the real world leading me.

So, my choices are a women who rides her husbands coat-tails (she has to ride the tails, as there always some else on the front of the garment)*, or a self made women who hold more degrees than I can count…tough call.


* Thanks To Dennis Miller for that line.

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sixate

Did I say that. Nope, sure didn't. Thank you very much.

Cynthetiq

I for one did not vote for Hillary. I call her office in NYC all the time to express my outrage in how she just follows Sen. Shumer's party line. She's a faking carpet bagger. She's not done anything for the state of NY that is worth anything her website credits her with making sure that the NYPD has gas masks. Have you seen them with all the crap on their belts already? add a gas mask to that... and a gas mask that doesn't necessarily help them with 99% of their day to day or even IF a BIO weapon is deployed. It does however hamper them when running after hoodlums.

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Liquor Dealer

When a state is willing to let an outsider waltz into their state and run for national office and then turn out and give that outsider enough votes to win, then that state has absolutely positively no bitch coming about the job the bitch isn't doing. What did the people of New York think, if they did at all, that this thing could give them that people who actually lived in, and cared about New York could not give. If notoriety was all they wanted then they got what they paid for - if they expected anything else, then theyre getting what they paid for in that instance also!

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The_Dude

since when was having an affair considered abuse?

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weedline

It is abuse of there vows.
It is abuse of trust.
It is abuse of there childrens trust.
It is abuse of there partners health S.T.D. are nasty.
It is abuse of friends and family they are involed in the cover up.
It is evil and if you do not understand that the real world will not be a fun place if you any standards.
If you throw your name in the gutter do not cry when it's pissed on!!

hiredgun

I agree with all of those things weedline, but families can work these things out sometimes. I'm sorry but neither you nor I really know anything about their most private affairs, and I don't think we should all just assume Hilary stayed with him to pursue her own political goals.

An affair isn't always the end of marriage.

sixate

I assume that if you've ever had a girlfriend that you'd stay with her is she was sucking other dick and taking it in the ass from another dude?

Anyway, go read weedline's response again. Maybe you'll learn something. Sometimes your age is very obvious.

KillerYoda

Hey! I was born in 1983 too!

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Kadath

Christ, this headline might as well have been "Flame on." I don't give a rat's ass about Hillary. She did what she did because it was politically expedient. If staying with my cheating gf bought me fame and fortune, I'd consider it. I certainly wouldn't touch her, though.
I think black and white is the right way to look at abuse. Anyone who doesn't show sympathy for the plight of abused women is a heartless bastard. See how ludicrous that is?

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sixate

Why should I feel sorry for someone who doesn't even feel sorry for herself? Let's not forget about the example that she sets for her daughter. Their kid is who I feel sorry for. Not the asshole dad and dumb weak bitch of a mom. Their kid never had a choice in the situation. Her mom did. She chose to stay and let herself look like a fucking fool. You can feel sorry for her.... I won't!

Wile E

The state IS allowed to bitch, if in fact they were not part of the ones who voted for her. Cynthetiq nailed it perfectly on how most New Yorkers feel about her. The whole Monica Lewinsky thing was the best thing that ever happened to this woman. She exploited the situation to its fullest, and is now a household name because she "stood by her man". I personally had no ill feelings towards this woman until she became my senator. How can someone who never lived here, know what we need? Know what its like to be a New Yorker, and to do things in our best interest? She doesn't. She has a falsified New York address, in which she never stays, and lives full time in DC. She used New York as a stepping stone for her political career, in which she wouldn't have one if it wasn't for her blow job seeking husband.

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The_Dude

i cant comment on the fact that she's running from NY.

anyway, one afffair is not the end of the marriage!

how do you know they havent worked out anything and bill has not "changed" ?

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sixate

It would end my marraige when/if I ever get married. Would you stay with someone that you couldn't trust? I couldn't. All my friendships are based on trust and if that trust is ever lost then I'm done with that person. I'm very loyal and expect the same in return and won't tolerate anything less.

George W Bush

please God make her go away.

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The_Dude

well, me personally would do the same, but i can definately understand some people not doing that and i respect their decisions.

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Kadath

We really have to synchronize our swatches, 5 hours between responses takes all the vitriol out of things.
You think an abused woman doesn't feel sorry for herself? You say she should leave like walking out the door is as simple as breathing. She likely has no job, no money of her own, and lives with the fear that if she leaves her husband will find and kill her. I think saying that she looks like a fool is not really thinking that deeply about the situation. I suspect it is easy for you to take this stance because the woman we are talking about will never be real for you. It's easy not to care in that case.

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Phaenx

Afraid to leave because your husband is an ass, a model of weakness foolishness, just like he said. It's not as hard as you think, get up and leave, call the damn police first if you think there's going to be a problem with the ass. Move out, take out a loan, get a temporary job at McDonalds (they're hiring you know), go on welfare or move in with your parents, build from those meager begginings and live happily. There's nothing physically holding you there, unless you count your husband, and in that case, the police will gladly hold him, in prison. You just have to be competent enough to tell on him.

A lovely subject, but off topic. Unless of course you count the context of his anology and your statement as a logical synergy of sorts. Bill hunting down and killing Hillary doesn't do much for crushing dissent.

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sixate

So you're saying the reason Hellary stayed with the asshole is because she can't take care of herself. That I can belive. Thank you for putting this into perspective for me.