NRA. Worth Joining? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

strife · 11-04-2003, 09:22 PM

Well, to the members of the NRA, is it worth joining? (I'm new the to Firearm world so bear with me if my questions are n00bish/lame

) What's so good about being in the NRA?

John Falcon · 11-05-2003, 06:40 AM

You get a sticker and a substandard magazine subscription. Then they bug you for more money every week.

At least that was my experience.

kel · 11-05-2003, 08:22 AM

You support the people who bug congress to protect your rights.
They do gun rights propoganda that for the most part just pisses off people who haven't formed an opinion yet.

The NRA is too extreme for a moderate like me. I support them anyway because if you want to get shit done you have to be louder and more committed then the other guy. A moderate is as useless as someone with no opinion.

Moonduck · 11-05-2003, 09:54 AM

I'm a life member. They've been told not to call me, I throw the vast majority of their mail in the trash, and I instructed them to donate my subscription to a library. You ask why I joined? In the end, they do good work. They are the single most effective body when it comes to protecting my rights as a gun-owner.

I find it very easy to avoid their propaganda while still supporting them as the parts that I find bothersome aren't core NRA policy.

strife · 11-05-2003, 03:27 PM

I think maybe I'll wait till I get more into firearms to join up. Have a little more understanding knowledge of the area.

What's the magazine subscription about? Does it just talk about current events that the NRA is working on and what not?

cluster · 11-05-2003, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by strife
I think maybe I'll wait till I get more into firearms to join up. Have a little more understanding knowledge of the area.

What's the magazine subscription about? Does it just talk about current events that the NRA is working on and what not?

son... you wait long enough and the only thing you will be able to own will be a flintlock!
"for sporting uses only " my ass !!!

there are many org out there GOA JPFA NRA.. join one join em all ...

.. dont think ive ever heard of the NRA as too extreme

and always remember .. .
the 2nd Amend has squat to do with duck hunting!

do not fall for thier " what are you going to hunt with THAT?" line.

Elegant Holmes · 11-05-2003, 06:53 PM

I agree that the mail and costant fundraising is annoying, but they do have good resources for firearm related questions and they teach great courses in gun safety to kids. They help promote some cool events. Most importantly they send a message to organizations like HCI and other idiots who decide that guns are bad and make people into killers.
But I swear if I gotta hear CH say "from my cold dead hand" one more time I might just quit. Nah, I am an annual member since 1980.

seretogis · 11-05-2003, 08:35 PM

I've been a lifetime member of the NRA since six years old, when I got my first .22 rifle. Yes, there is a lot of hounding for money, but they keep you very up-to-date on gun-related issues and so I think it is worth the membership fee. They are a good organization, regardless of what people who don't understand it will claim.

Aesik · 11-05-2003, 09:55 PM

In a word, yes. very much worth joining up. Make your voice heard!

mtsgsd · 11-06-2003, 07:44 AM

Yes. They are annoying, and you'll wonder why they squander so much money on fund raising mail that insults your intelligence, but they are the only advocate we have out there with their kind of influence.

On a practical note, if you even get into competition with pistol or rifle, you'll need to be a member to attend registered matches and obtain a classification anyway.

Elegant Holmes · 11-06-2003, 05:34 PM

On a related note, I caught the 60 Minutes version of the NRA. They did an absolutley horrible piece of journalistic crap. The "unbiased reporting" had nothing good to say and the bad stuff was mostly Heston holding the flintlock and saying "from my cold dead hand". They had several interviews with people who were in other anti-NRA organizations and one person who was with the NRA.
I know this is not the "media sucks" forum, but don't believe everything you hear on the TV as fact.

PS- The Media hates guns because they fear anyone with power.

txlovely · 11-06-2003, 05:36 PM

The media does not hate guns. The media simply reports on the topics that your elected politicians are propping. Blaming media is a copout. And a pitiful one at that.

strife · 11-06-2003, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by mtsgsd

On a practical note, if you even get into competition with pistol or rifle, you'll need to be a member to attend registered matches and obtain a classification anyway.

Oooh, I didn't know that. STUFF COSTS TOO MUCH MONEY!!!
Rawr! Minimum wage sucks!

seretogis · 11-07-2003, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by txlovely
The media does not hate guns. The media simply reports on the topics that your elected politicians are propping. Blaming media is a copout. And a pitiful one at that.

Sorry, but you are mistaken.

LINKY LINKY

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Outgunned: How The Network News Media Are Spinning...

At a press conference at the National Press Club, the MRC`s Brent Bozell said that the media`s treatment of the firearms issue is "hardly what any news observer would call unbiased." NRA Director and broadcaster Oliver North called the network news` bias "A frontal assault on our Second Amendment liberties."

How The Network News Media
Are Spinning The Gun Control Debate

A new study by the Media Research Center proves that the anti-gun bias of television network news is worse than ever.
In a two-year period, anti-gun stories outnumbered pro-gun stories by a ratio of nearly 10-to-1.
BY GEOFFREY DICKENS,
Senior Media Analyst, Media Research Center

During the past two years, television network news viewers have been inundated with tragic images of students running away from gunfire. With every new incident, from Pearl, Miss., to Littleton, Co., the networks have had a reflexive reaction. They blame guns and wonder if more gun control laws aren`t an obvious solution.

With school shootings claiming more and more network air time, Media Research Center analysts reviewed two years of news reports through the MRC`s News Tracking System on gun control policy for four evening shows (ABC`s World News Tonight, CBS Evening News, CNN`s The World Today, and NBC Nightly News) and three morning broadcasts (ABC`s Good Morning America, CBS`s This Morning, and NBC`s Today) from July 1, 1997, through June 30, 1999. Not included were numerous stories on the families` grief or crime scene investigations that did not include statements relating to gun policy.

Methodology

To assess the tilt of stories, analysts counted the number of pro- and anti-gun statements by reporters in each category. Pieces with a disparity ratio of greater than 1.5-to-1 were categorized as either for or against gun control. Stories closer than the ratio were deemed neutral. Among statements recorded as anti-gun rights: Violent crime occurs because of guns, not criminals; And gun control prevents crime. Categorized as arguments for gun rights: Gun control would not reduce crime; Criminals, not guns, are the problem; Americans have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms; Right-to-carry concealed carry laws caused a drop in crime. Using this story-angle method demonstrates that even in pieces where the "talking head" count is balanced, reporters` statements can often end up tilting the angle of the entire story.

Using these criteria, analysts found a dramatically tilted debate in favor of gun control. In 653 gun policy stories, those advocating more gun control outnumbered stories opposing gun control by 357 to 36, or a ratio of nearly 10-to-1, while 260 were categorized as neutral. Anti-gun soundbites were twice as frequent as pro-gun ones--412 to 209--while 471 soundbites were neutral. Gun control advocates appeared on the morning shows as guests on 82 occasions, compared with 37 for gun-rights activists and 58 neutral spokesmen.

When these numbers were combined with the results of a 1997 study of two years of gun policy stories using the same parameters, MRC analysts found that in 897 gun policy stories from July 1, 1995, to June 30, 1999, the networks aired 514 anti-gun stories to 46 pro-gun stories, or a ratio of more than 11-to-1.

Evening News Findings

American TV viewers were bombarded by evening news stories promoting gun control. Out of 300 evening news segments, anti-gun stories outnumbered pro-gun stories by 164 to 20 (with 116 neutral segments), or an 8-to-1 ratio. Talking heads were slanted toward gun control by a 2-to-1 ratio (296 for gun control vs. 150 for gun rights) with 319 neutral spokesmen. ABC and CNN provided the worst evening news slant, while NBC was the closest to fairness--and it wasn`t close.

ABC`s World News Tonight was the most biased in favor of gun control, airing 43 anti-gun stories to only three pro-gun segments with 24 neutral reports. Within that sample, the talking head ratio matched the overall average of 2-to-1, with 125 gun control soundbites, 62 for gun rights and 120 neutral clips.

CNN`s The World Today slanted in the direction of gun-control in 50 stories, compared with only seven having more arguments in favor of gun rights (34 were neutral). CNN`s selection of talking heads advocating more gun control was the most disproportionate (98 to 40 with 79 neutral).

CBS Evening News stories promoted gun control 28 times and favored gun rights on three occasions (22 were neutral). CBS had the closest ratio of talking heads with 59 for gun control, 35 opposed and 74 neutral.

NBC Nightly News was the least imbalanced, albeit with a tilt of 5-to-1: 43 anti-gun rights stories vs. eight pro-gun rights stories with 36 neutral pieces. But three of the pro-gun stories came on one night (April 30, 1999). By a ratio of nearly 2-to-1, NBC aired gun control exponents with a count of 130 advocates to 72 opponents (and 24 neutral voices).

The network morning shows were flooded with visually arresting images from shootings. Out of 353 gun policy segments, anti-gun stories outnumbered pro-gun stories by 193 to 15, or a ratio of more than 13-to-1 (145 were neutral or balanced). Analysts counted both morning news reports and interviews.

Morning Show Findings

ABC`s Good Morning America ran a total of 92 reports supporting gun control compared with just one that favored the gun-rights defense (51 were neutral).

CBS`s This Morning offered 19 stories slanted toward gun control solutions to four against (with 27 neutral offerings).

NBC`s Today had the greatest number of segments leaning toward gun rights--10, or two-thirds of the morning show total--but also pushed for gun control in 82 segments (88 were neutral).

Guests

Morning shows were nearly twice as likely to feature a gun control advocate than one opposed to more gun control. Gun control supporters appeared on the live morning shows 82 times, compared with 37 gun rights spokesmen. Another 58 held no pro- or anti-gun views in gun policy segments.

On Good Morning America, 33 guests professed a belief in more legislation limiting gun rights, while only eight opposed such measures, with 212 neutral guests.

NBC`s Today booked three times more gun-rights guests than ABC with 24, but still invited far more gun control advocates (40), with 24 neutral spokesmen.

CBS`s This Morning aired the least interviews, but was the most balanced with just nine guests for gun control, five against and 13 neutral.

The school-shooting phenomenon created both a desirable political and commercial environment for network producers, whose programs advanced gun control at the same time that these dramatic events drew higher-than-average ratings.

WarWagon · 11-07-2003, 11:55 AM

The insurance through the NRA alone is worth the cost. I'm a competitive 3p smallbore shooter, and our rifles can be VERY pricey ($2000-$3000). A friend of mine who also shoots had a problem with his rifle, and the wood stock cracked. They took it to a gunsmith so it was declared "unfixable" and given an approximate dollar amount it would take to replace it. If you're in the NRA, all your guns are insured, so the NRA covered the cost of the brand new rifle stock, which cost about $1200.

Elegant Holmes · 11-07-2003, 05:32 PM

Wow and thanks seratogis! On my way to work this morning I heard two back to back stories of a gun "going off". One was two kids finding a loaded shotgun and playing with it when it went off. The other was of two men struggling over a gun when it went off. GUNS DON"T JUST "GO OFF"!!!!
Guns require a direct action to discharge. People pull the trigger. If guns just "went off" I would be in favor of more gun control.
Join the NRA!!!!!!

Elegant Holmes · 11-07-2003, 05:33 PM

BTW TXLOVELY, the radio is media. I work in the medium of television. They hate guns.

txlovely · 11-07-2003, 08:20 PM

Quoting biased websites does not impress nor inform. Find some real statistics that were not collected by some militant organization, and I'll buy in. I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-ignorance. Don't waste my time.

seretogis · 11-07-2003, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by txlovely
Quoting biased websites does not impress nor inform. Find some real statistics that were not collected by some militant organization, and I'll buy in. I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-ignorance. Don't waste my time.

Apparently you are not anti-ignorance, if you didn't even bother to read who gathered the data. The NRA hosts the article, but the data was compiled by "Media Research Center", a third-party fairness-in-media watchdog group.

Feel free to remove your foot from your mouth, or wherever else it may be cleverly placed, at any time.

Have you read this, and you still think that the souce is "biased" and "militant"? Try these:

http://i2i.org/SuptDocs/Crime/MediaBias.htm

http://www.aim.org/publications/brie...02/jul30a.html

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/t...20030701.shtml

http://www.ncpa.org/iss/cri/2003/pd080803e.html

http://www.fair.org/articles/gun-control.html

http://www.compleatheretic.com/pubs/columns/pronra.html

debaser · 11-08-2003, 11:02 AM

I used to be a member, then the NRA fucked me in the ass by not opposing the assault weapons ban.

To hell with 'em...

seretogis · 11-08-2003, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by debaser
I used to be a member, then the NRA fucked me in the ass by not opposing the assault weapons ban.

To hell with 'em...

Which ban is this, that went unopposed by the NRA?

eribrav · 11-08-2003, 04:49 PM

Outstanding work seretogis. If anyone thinks the media are not anti-gun, THEY are the ones deluding themselves. The media have been surveyed about their political leanings and they consistently and inevitably fall far left of the center of American politics. It's not just our impression; ask the media and they tell you themselves.

I would advocate joining for the political clout that you give the organization for joining. I do find the fund reaising irritating. Particularly earlier this year, when they used an NRA mailing to hype a book by Wayne LaPierre......he obviously stood to profit personally if you bought the book.

And finally next time you pull up next to some anti-choice smart aleck you get the pleasure of seeing them huff and puff and grumble when they see your NRA sticker proudly displayed in your window.

debaser · 11-09-2003, 05:50 AM

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Originally posted by seretogis
Which ban is this, that went unopposed by the NRA?

The NRA basicly rolled over on the 1994 AWB. I still have not recieved a satisfactory answer for why this was done, not that I think there is one. And now the NRA says they will not actively fight the resigning of te bill when it sunsets next year.

As an assault weapon owner, why should I give a damn about the NRA?

Menoman · 11-17-2003, 01:40 AM

Because next you won't have any weapons...

Peetster · 11-17-2003, 10:35 AM

Moved to Politics due to the political nature of this discussion.

Sparhawk · 11-17-2003, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by seretogis
Apparently you are not anti-ignorance, if you didn't even bother to read who gathered the data. The NRA hosts the article, but the data was compiled by "Media Research Center", a third-party fairness-in-media watchdog group.

Just for fun I followed this link, and it took me two seconds to read this line:

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The Leader in Documenting, Exposing and
Neutralizing Liberal Media Bias

Wow, doesn't sound like an unbiased third party group anymore, now does it.

irateplatypus · 11-17-2003, 01:49 PM

my father is a member on principle. like other people posting, he likes what the NRA does as far as lobbying goes, but avoids the propaganda. I think he reads the magazine everyonce in a while. As far as I know, there haven't been any phone calls. I've been a student for a while... so I'm not around much to gauge it though.

I'm a decent marksman and enjoy hunting when i have the opportunity. I'm not an avid gun enthusiast, but there is a good chance I'll support them on similar grounds as previous posters have. Maybe when the student loans are paid off.

seretogis · 11-17-2003, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by Sparhawk
Wow, doesn't sound like an unbiased third party group anymore, now does it.

Yeah, I noticed that too which is why I edited and added more sources. :P It's a shame that txlovely never even bothered to respond though. The claim that the NRA was a "militant" organization had me in stitches.

captain · 11-17-2003, 02:30 PM

The NRA is a great organization. Most people don't know it but they train most law enforcement officers in gun safety and weapons handling.

The only organization that trains more people on gun handling and safety is the military.

Sparhawk · 11-17-2003, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by seretogis
Yeah, I noticed that too which is why I edited and added more sources. :P It's a shame that txlovely never even bothered to respond though. The claim that the NRA was a "militant" organization had me in stitches.

He probably lost it when it was moved to politics. It's always so very easy to see which threads start out of politics and end up in it, as opposed to those that actually start in here.

Randerolf · 11-17-2003, 07:12 PM

I'm a life memeber of the NRA. They have tucked their tails between there legs a few times and I wonder if a membership to the Gun Owners of America would have been better spent.

I get magazines every month though (that I hardly have time to read

).

Elegant Holmes · 11-18-2003, 11:31 AM

The NRA is a good organization, especially when one considers the many opportunisic and biased orgs (including the major media) who will do anything to get their special interest group diatribe heard. Believe in people, believe in freedom, and believe in the rights of the people.

Sho Nuff · 11-26-2003, 11:04 AM

I joined because they have an NRA gun club in my area and the facilities are cheaper for members. The magazine is good toilet reading, they dont have my home number anymore and the mail they send goes in the trash.

The.Lunatic · 11-26-2003, 05:56 PM

NRA is stupid if some asshat congress bill gets passes saying that i can't have whatever guns i want in the future i'll leave the country. However thats very unlikely as it says right in my constitution that I can have a gun. Therefor they can go suck a lemon.

Other than that unless you've got a really small penis don't bother its a waste of money.

Nothing wrong with going to the shooting range, or frequenting gun shows. And especially not going hunting with your budies/dog/son all three whatever, but NRA dumb.

crewsor · 11-26-2003, 07:39 PM

I think the NRA appeals to people who think the GUVMENT is coming to take all their guns away.
The reasons for regulation are to try to keep a lid on the accessability of firearms used with CRIMINAL intent.
Nobody wants to take guns away from law abiding citizens, but people have been brainwashed by groups like the NRA into believing the evil GUVMENT is coming to take their weapons away so they can do God knows what.
I think some people actually believe there is some sort of conspiracy to eliminate guns from the general public so the GUVMENT can have their way with them without fear of retaliation.
Please. Gimme a break.
Somebody please fill me in as to why you think people want guns regulated other than crime prevention.

Elegant Holmes · 11-26-2003, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by crewsor

Nobody wants to take guns away from law abiding citizens

I do believe you are incorrect. Several organizations such as Handgun Control Incorporated would do just that. Consider the fact that it against the law to own many of the H+K weapons offered, and the FN's, etc. If I were a crimminal I would have a more difficult time stealing one or buying one black market (which is a good thing), but I could find a way to get one.
I am a law abiding citizen and I can never have one (Again, not that I need it), but I see no reason why I should be forced to wait to buy a handgun. I cannot buy a handgun out of state under the current laws without an enormous amount of favors and red tape.
If I were to visit Texarkana and for some reason needed to pawn a gun on the Arkansas side I could not go pick it up under our current system without paying a person with a FFL to have it shipped.
It's stupid things like that which require an organization to lobby for common sense in our knee-jerk over sensitive burocratic society.
And think of all those stupid "cash for guns" programs. They don't even care if you bring in stolen guns because nobody asks questions, you just produce a gun and get some crack money.

Elegant Holmes · 11-26-2003, 10:01 PM

Here's the shorter version: I believe lobby groups are like lawyers in that if there wasn't one, you would never need another.

11-04-2003, 09:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
strife Insane Location: Chi-Town	NRA. Worth Joining? Well, to the members of the NRA, is it worth joining? (I'm new the to Firearm world so bear with me if my questions are n00bish/lame ) What's so good about being in the NRA? __________________ You are what you love, not what loves you. strife

11-05-2003, 08:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
kel WARNING: FLAMMABLE Location: Ask Acetylene	You support the people who bug congress to protect your rights. They do gun rights propoganda that for the most part just pisses off people who haven't formed an opinion yet. The NRA is too extreme for a moderate like me. I support them anyway because if you want to get shit done you have to be louder and more committed then the other guy. A moderate is as useless as someone with no opinion. __________________ "It better be funny"

11-05-2003, 03:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
strife Insane Location: Chi-Town	I think maybe I'll wait till I get more into firearms to join up. Have a little more understanding knowledge of the area. What's the magazine subscription about? Does it just talk about current events that the NRA is working on and what not? __________________ You are what you love, not what loves you. strife

11-05-2003, 08:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	I've been a lifetime member of the NRA since six years old, when I got my first .22 rifle. Yes, there is a lot of hounding for money, but they keep you very up-to-date on gun-related issues and so I think it is worth the membership fee. They are a good organization, regardless of what people who don't understand it will claim. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

11-06-2003, 05:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
txlovely Insane Location: ...We have a problem.	The media does not hate guns. The media simply reports on the topics that your elected politicians are propping. Blaming media is a copout. And a pitiful one at that. __________________ Cruel words erode self-esteem like the ocean eats away the shore.

11-05-2003, 06:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
John Falcon Psycho Location: New York, CA	You get a sticker and a substandard magazine subscription. Then they bug you for more money every week. At least that was my experience.

11-05-2003, 09:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	I'm a life member. They've been told not to call me, I throw the vast majority of their mail in the trash, and I instructed them to donate my subscription to a library. You ask why I joined? In the end, they do good work. They are the single most effective body when it comes to protecting my rights as a gun-owner. I find it very easy to avoid their propaganda while still supporting them as the parts that I find bothersome aren't core NRA policy.

11-05-2003, 06:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
Elegant Holmes Crazy Location: "TX"	I agree that the mail and costant fundraising is annoying, but they do have good resources for firearm related questions and they teach great courses in gun safety to kids. They help promote some cool events. Most importantly they send a message to organizations like HCI and other idiots who decide that guns are bad and make people into killers. But I swear if I gotta hear CH say "from my cold dead hand" one more time I might just quit. Nah, I am an annual member since 1980.

11-05-2003, 09:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
Aesik Tilted	In a word, yes. very much worth joining up. Make your voice heard!

11-06-2003, 07:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
mtsgsd Addict Location: Wisconsin, USA	Yes. They are annoying, and you'll wonder why they squander so much money on fund raising mail that insults your intelligence, but they are the only advocate we have out there with their kind of influence. On a practical note, if you even get into competition with pistol or rifle, you'll need to be a member to attend registered matches and obtain a classification anyway.

11-06-2003, 05:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
Elegant Holmes Crazy Location: "TX"	On a related note, I caught the 60 Minutes version of the NRA. They did an absolutley horrible piece of journalistic crap. The "unbiased reporting" had nothing good to say and the bad stuff was mostly Heston holding the flintlock and saying "from my cold dead hand". They had several interviews with people who were in other anti-NRA organizations and one person who was with the NRA. I know this is not the "media sucks" forum, but don't believe everything you hear on the TV as fact. PS- The Media hates guns because they fear anyone with power.

11-07-2003, 11:55 AM	#15 (permalink)
WarWagon Loser	The insurance through the NRA alone is worth the cost. I'm a competitive 3p smallbore shooter, and our rifles can be VERY pricey ($2000-$3000). A friend of mine who also shoots had a problem with his rifle, and the wood stock cracked. They took it to a gunsmith so it was declared "unfixable" and given an approximate dollar amount it would take to replace it. If you're in the NRA, all your guns are insured, so the NRA covered the cost of the brand new rifle stock, which cost about $1200.

11-07-2003, 05:32 PM	#16 (permalink)
Elegant Holmes Crazy Location: "TX"	Wow and thanks seratogis! On my way to work this morning I heard two back to back stories of a gun "going off". One was two kids finding a loaded shotgun and playing with it when it went off. The other was of two men struggling over a gun when it went off. GUNS DON"T JUST "GO OFF"!!!! Guns require a direct action to discharge. People pull the trigger. If guns just "went off" I would be in favor of more gun control. Join the NRA!!!!!!

11-07-2003, 05:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
Elegant Holmes Crazy Location: "TX"	BTW TXLOVELY, the radio is media. I work in the medium of television. They hate guns.

11-07-2003, 08:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
txlovely Insane Location: ...We have a problem.	Quoting biased websites does not impress nor inform. Find some real statistics that were not collected by some militant organization, and I'll buy in. I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-ignorance. Don't waste my time. __________________ Cruel words erode self-esteem like the ocean eats away the shore.

11-08-2003, 11:02 AM	#20 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	I used to be a member, then the NRA fucked me in the ass by not opposing the assault weapons ban. To hell with 'em... __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

11-08-2003, 04:49 PM	#22 (permalink)
eribrav Junkie Location: upstate NY	Outstanding work seretogis. If anyone thinks the media are not anti-gun, THEY are the ones deluding themselves. The media have been surveyed about their political leanings and they consistently and inevitably fall far left of the center of American politics. It's not just our impression; ask the media and they tell you themselves. I would advocate joining for the political clout that you give the organization for joining. I do find the fund reaising irritating. Particularly earlier this year, when they used an NRA mailing to hype a book by Wayne LaPierre......he obviously stood to profit personally if you bought the book. And finally next time you pull up next to some anti-choice smart aleck you get the pleasure of seeing them huff and puff and grumble when they see your NRA sticker proudly displayed in your window.

11-17-2003, 10:35 AM	#25 (permalink)
Peetster Right Now Location: Home	Moved to Politics due to the political nature of this discussion.

11-17-2003, 01:49 PM	#27 (permalink)
irateplatypus can't help but laugh Location: dar al-harb	my father is a member on principle. like other people posting, he likes what the NRA does as far as lobbying goes, but avoids the propaganda. I think he reads the magazine everyonce in a while. As far as I know, there haven't been any phone calls. I've been a student for a while... so I'm not around much to gauge it though. I'm a decent marksman and enjoy hunting when i have the opportunity. I'm not an avid gun enthusiast, but there is a good chance I'll support them on similar grounds as previous posters have. Maybe when the student loans are paid off. __________________ If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. ~ Winston Churchill

11-17-2003, 02:30 PM	#29 (permalink)
captain Crazy	The NRA is a great organization. Most people don't know it but they train most law enforcement officers in gun safety and weapons handling. The only organization that trains more people on gun handling and safety is the military. __________________ captain

11-17-2003, 07:12 PM	#31 (permalink)
Randerolf Fireball Location: ~	I'm a life memeber of the NRA. They have tucked their tails between there legs a few times and I wonder if a membership to the Gun Owners of America would have been better spent. I get magazines every month though (that I hardly have time to read ).

11-18-2003, 11:31 AM	#32 (permalink)
Elegant Holmes Crazy Location: "TX"	The NRA is a good organization, especially when one considers the many opportunisic and biased orgs (including the major media) who will do anything to get their special interest group diatribe heard. Believe in people, believe in freedom, and believe in the rights of the people.

11-26-2003, 11:04 AM	#33 (permalink)
Sho Nuff Addict Location: Harlem	I joined because they have an NRA gun club in my area and the facilities are cheaper for members. The magazine is good toilet reading, they dont have my home number anymore and the mail they send goes in the trash. __________________ I know Nietzsche doesnt rhyme with peachy, but you sound like a pretentious prick when you correct me.

11-26-2003, 05:56 PM	#34 (permalink)
The.Lunatic Psycho Location: Somewhere just beyond the realm of sanity...	NRA is stupid if some asshat congress bill gets passes saying that i can't have whatever guns i want in the future i'll leave the country. However thats very unlikely as it says right in my constitution that I can have a gun. Therefor they can go suck a lemon. Other than that unless you've got a really small penis don't bother its a waste of money. Nothing wrong with going to the shooting range, or frequenting gun shows. And especially not going hunting with your budies/dog/son all three whatever, but NRA dumb. __________________ Proud memeber of the Insomniac Club.

11-26-2003, 07:39 PM	#35 (permalink)
crewsor Women want me. Men fear me. Location: Maryland,USA	I think the NRA appeals to people who think the GUVMENT is coming to take all their guns away. The reasons for regulation are to try to keep a lid on the accessability of firearms used with CRIMINAL intent. Nobody wants to take guns away from law abiding citizens, but people have been brainwashed by groups like the NRA into believing the evil GUVMENT is coming to take their weapons away so they can do God knows what. I think some people actually believe there is some sort of conspiracy to eliminate guns from the general public so the GUVMENT can have their way with them without fear of retaliation. Please. Gimme a break. Somebody please fill me in as to why you think people want guns regulated other than crime prevention. __________________ We all have wings, some of us just don't know why.

11-26-2003, 10:01 PM	#37 (permalink)
Elegant Holmes Crazy Location: "TX"	Here's the shorter version: I believe lobby groups are like lawyers in that if there wasn't one, you would never need another.