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Stiltzkin · 10-14-2003, 05:55 PM

Does anyone else but me hate this stupid document? I had to read it and it really annoyed the shit out of me. It's like reading a highschool senior's persuasive essay on why the bourgeoisie is so fucking great. It really pissed me off. Either the original writer is a jack ass, or the person who translated it to English is a jack ass. Either way, there are too many jack asses in this world. That is all.

Mephisto2 · 10-14-2003, 05:59 PM

LOL

Well, it's one of the most influential political documents in history. Up there with "Property is theft" pamphlet, the American Constitution, the Magna Carter and the UN Declaration on Universial Human Rights.

You also have to remember the social context in which it was written. It wasn't really aimed at American college kids.

Mr Mephisto

Stiltzkin · 10-14-2003, 06:00 PM

I'd like to see the original version, and learn German. I don't think the original would be this jack-ass-like.

bundy · 10-14-2003, 06:02 PM

oh look...its the Communist Plot...

Mephisto2 · 10-14-2003, 06:04 PM

Check out the following translations:

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/cl...manifesto.html
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...festo/ch01.htm
http://csf.colorado.edu/psn/marx/Arc...848-CM/cm.html
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/tr...to/mancont.htm (this is from the English 1888 translation by Engels; not sure about the above links).
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/worl...er_2/marx.html

Mr Mephisto

wario · 10-14-2003, 06:05 PM

Santa Claus is a dead Communist?

Stiltzkin · 10-14-2003, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by Mr Mephisto
Check out the following translations:

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/cl...manifesto.html
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...festo/ch01.htm
http://csf.colorado.edu/psn/marx/Arc...848-CM/cm.html
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/tr...to/mancont.htm (this is from the English 1888 translation by Engels; not sure about the above links).
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/worl...er_2/marx.html

Mr Mephisto

I was just there. Thanks.

And yes, Santa Claus is *not* is a dead communist. Darn those communist yankees... ???

Mephisto2 · 10-14-2003, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by wario
Santa Claus is a dead Communist?

He wears red, doesn't he?!

Mr Mephisto

Stiltzkin · 10-14-2003, 08:16 PM

Apparently he also has a lot of praise for the proletariat. Reading it again...

Mephisto2 · 10-14-2003, 08:41 PM

Erm, that's the whole point.

sadatx · 10-14-2003, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by Stiltzkin
It's like reading a highschool senior's persuasive essay on why the bourgeoisie is so fucking great. It really pissed me off.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't think Marx thought the burgeoisie was great. He thought of them more as encapsulating everything that was wrong with the world.

You're not the only one who thinks Marx was a poor writer, by the way. That's a complaint I often hear about him.

Spartak · 10-14-2003, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by Stiltzkin
Apparently he also has a lot of praise for the proletariat.

Maybe you just read a heavily edited (or bastardised) version. I dunno, I have two copies of it, both translations were done by Engels (I think) they are pretty spot-on.

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Hehe, one of my lecturers was going on about his tombstone, apparently funded and built around 1900 by the British Communist Party. Looks almost bourgeois-like, I think Marx wouldn't have wanted something like that.

mml · 10-15-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by Mr Mephisto
LOL

Well, it's one of the most influential political documents in history. Up there with "Property is theft" pamphlet, the American Constitution, the Magna Carter and the UN Declaration on Universial Human Rights.

You also have to remember the social context in which it was written. It wasn't really aimed at American college kids.

Mr Mephisto

BINGO! Whether you like it or not, it is one of the most influential documents ever and it definitely was not aimed at American college kids. I have to agree, however, that it was a bit annoying to read.

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-15-2003, 10:50 AM

Whats funny was marx himself was not a Marxist, he hated what the pinko-socialists did with his ideas.

eple · 10-15-2003, 11:35 AM

Yeah dudes, I know what you mean. He has some cool ideas, but he's still not quite at Shakespear's level, which he should of course be when writing a manifesto aimed at the unknowing masses. Also, I hear he sucked at painting and was a poor sculptor. Damn that Marx dude.

thejoker130 · 10-20-2003, 07:40 AM

I think that something had gotten lost in the translation but the Manifesto is still something that i think highschool kids should read if only for the historical value.

XenuHubbard · 10-20-2003, 10:43 AM

If Marx was alive today, he'd go berzerk. And cry. Kind of like Einstein and the A-bomb.

Some of his stuff is quite accurate, though. Back when he wrote it. Today it's way off.

And hey, Santa isn't a commie. He started wearing red after a Coca-Cola ad campaign. He was originally grey in most countries. Coke went; "Hey, wouldn't a Coke-red Santa be a good idea?"

And it was. Christmas just ain't what it used to be.

Four Fingers · 10-20-2003, 01:48 PM

You want real nonsense, try the Humanist Manifesto.

sadatx · 10-20-2003, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by XenuHubbard
And hey, Santa isn't a commie. He started wearing red after a Coca-Cola ad campaign. He was originally grey in most countries. Coke went; "Hey, wouldn't a Coke-red Santa be a good idea?"

I didn't know that. That's pretty funny and at the same time...pretty awful.

That's like the fact that giving gifts on Christmas was started by department stores to boost sales in the cold winter months. No kidding.

Interesting to know that our Modern Christmas was invented by coporations.

Marx must be turning over in his grave.

Ustwo · 10-20-2003, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by sadatx
Marx must be turning over in his grave.

Not to be confused with the graves of the mass millions who died in nations claiming to follow his principles.

Christmas is fun, even if it is a corporate holiday.
The Gulag sucks

sadatx · 10-20-2003, 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by Ustwo
Not to be confused with the graves of the mass millions who died in nations claiming to follow his principles.
The Gulag sucks

Easy there....in no way am I trying to ignore the atrocities commited under communism with my comment. And all you have to do is read some of the massive book The Gulag Archipelago to realize that "sucks" is far to nice a description of the horrific chain of prisons where Lenin and Stalin sent some of their best and brightest to be locked up, tortured, and/or killed.

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Christmas is fun, even if it is a corporate holiday.

Sorry, but Christmas is fun DESPITE being a corporate holiday. Just get a job working for any type of retail business during the Christmas season in order to see what stress the pressure to give "things" to each other puts on people.

I've seen people literally fight over stupid little gifts that will ultimately be forgotten in a drawer not long after they're unwrapped. I've also seen people utterly devastated when they learn the thing they wanted is sold out.

You know there's alot of ways to "give" and they don't all involve things you buy at Macy's or anywhere else for that matter.

Giving a material gift is what the coporations focused in on in their ad campaigns because that type of giving is what makes them money. And they've made a ton.

Ustwo · 10-21-2003, 06:51 AM

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Originally posted by sadatx

Sorry, but Christmas is fun DESPITE being a corporate holiday. Just get a job working for any type of retail business during the Christmas season in order to see what stress the pressure to give "things" to each other puts on people.

I've seen people literally fight over stupid little gifts that will ultimately be forgotten in a drawer not long after they're unwrapped. I've also seen people utterly devastated when they learn the thing they wanted is sold out.

Yes but some people are just stupid. Back when I was younger I really enjoyed Christmass shopping, now I'm lazy and let my wife do it, and she also enjoys it. If parents want to fight over the last 'Tickle me Elmo' thats their problem, I don't let their stress get in my way.

Stiltzkin · 10-23-2003, 08:09 PM

After reading the Communist Manifesto a second time... it is all right. I like what he says in the last paragraph. Yeah.

10-14-2003, 05:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
Stiltzkin Junkie	Communist Manifesto Does anyone else but me hate this stupid document? I had to read it and it really annoyed the shit out of me. It's like reading a highschool senior's persuasive essay on why the bourgeoisie is so fucking great. It really pissed me off. Either the original writer is a jack ass, or the person who translated it to English is a jack ass. Either way, there are too many jack asses in this world. That is all. __________________ The most important thing in this world is love.

10-14-2003, 06:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Stiltzkin Junkie	I'd like to see the original version, and learn German. I don't think the original would be this jack-ass-like. __________________ The most important thing in this world is love.

10-14-2003, 06:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
bundy . Location: Tokyo	oh look...its the Communist Plot... __________________ Ohayo!!!

10-14-2003, 08:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
Stiltzkin Junkie	Apparently he also has a lot of praise for the proletariat. Reading it again... __________________ The most important thing in this world is love.

10-15-2003, 10:50 AM	#14 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Whats funny was marx himself was not a Marxist, he hated what the pinko-socialists did with his ideas. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

10-14-2003, 05:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	LOL Well, it's one of the most influential political documents in history. Up there with "Property is theft" pamphlet, the American Constitution, the Magna Carter and the UN Declaration on Universial Human Rights. You also have to remember the social context in which it was written. It wasn't really aimed at American college kids. Mr Mephisto

10-14-2003, 06:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	Check out the following translations: http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/cl...manifesto.html http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...festo/ch01.htm http://csf.colorado.edu/psn/marx/Arc...848-CM/cm.html http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/tr...to/mancont.htm (this is from the English 1888 translation by Engels; not sure about the above links). http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/worl...er_2/marx.html Mr Mephisto

10-14-2003, 06:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
wario Insane	Santa Claus is a dead Communist?

10-14-2003, 08:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	Erm, that's the whole point.

10-15-2003, 11:35 AM	#15 (permalink)
eple Banned Location: norway	Yeah dudes, I know what you mean. He has some cool ideas, but he's still not quite at Shakespear's level, which he should of course be when writing a manifesto aimed at the unknowing masses. Also, I hear he sucked at painting and was a poor sculptor. Damn that Marx dude.

10-20-2003, 07:40 AM	#16 (permalink)
thejoker130 Insane Location: slippery rock university AKA: The left ass cheek of the world	I think that something had gotten lost in the translation but the Manifesto is still something that i think highschool kids should read if only for the historical value. __________________ WHAT MORE CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN? ------------------------------------- I like you. When the world is mine your death will be quick and painless.

10-20-2003, 10:43 AM	#17 (permalink)
XenuHubbard Cute and Cuddly Location: Teegeeack.	If Marx was alive today, he'd go berzerk. And cry. Kind of like Einstein and the A-bomb. Some of his stuff is quite accurate, though. Back when he wrote it. Today it's way off. And hey, Santa isn't a commie. He started wearing red after a Coca-Cola ad campaign. He was originally grey in most countries. Coke went; "Hey, wouldn't a Coke-red Santa be a good idea?" And it was. Christmas just ain't what it used to be. __________________ The above was written by a true prophet. Trust me. "What doesn't kill you, makes you bitter and paranoid". - SB2000

10-20-2003, 01:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
Four Fingers Crazy	You want real nonsense, try the Humanist Manifesto. __________________ "Always do right - this will gratify some and astonish the rest."

10-23-2003, 08:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
Stiltzkin Junkie	After reading the Communist Manifesto a second time... it is all right. I like what he says in the last paragraph. Yeah. __________________ The most important thing in this world is love.