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Old 10-14-2003, 05:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Communist Manifesto

Does anyone else but me hate this stupid document? I had to read it and it really annoyed the shit out of me. It's like reading a highschool senior's persuasive essay on why the bourgeoisie is so fucking great. It really pissed me off. Either the original writer is a jack ass, or the person who translated it to English is a jack ass. Either way, there are too many jack asses in this world. That is all.

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Old 10-14-2003, 05:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, it's one of the most influential political documents in history. Up there with "Property is theft" pamphlet, the American Constitution, the Magna Carter and the UN Declaration on Universial Human Rights.

You also have to remember the social context in which it was written. It wasn't really aimed at American college kids.



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Old 10-14-2003, 06:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'd like to see the original version, and learn German. I don't think the original would be this jack-ass-like.

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Old 10-14-2003, 06:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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oh look...its the Communist Plot...

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Old 10-14-2003, 06:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 10-14-2003, 06:18 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Check out the following translations:

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/cl...manifesto.html
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...festo/ch01.htm
http://csf.colorado.edu/psn/marx/Arc...848-CM/cm.html
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/tr...to/mancont.htm (this is from the English 1888 translation by Engels; not sure about the above links).
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/worl...er_2/marx.html

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I was just there. Thanks.

And yes, Santa Claus is *not* is a dead communist. Darn those communist yankees... ???

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Old 10-14-2003, 06:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
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He wears red, doesn't he?!

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Old 10-14-2003, 08:16 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Apparently he also has a lot of praise for the proletariat. Reading it again...

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Old 10-14-2003, 08:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Erm, that's the whole point.
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Old 10-14-2003, 09:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's like reading a highschool senior's persuasive essay on why the bourgeoisie is so fucking great. It really pissed me off.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't think Marx thought the burgeoisie was great. He thought of them more as encapsulating everything that was wrong with the world.

You're not the only one who thinks Marx was a poor writer, by the way. That's a complaint I often hear about him.
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Old 10-14-2003, 11:17 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Apparently he also has a lot of praise for the proletariat.
Maybe you just read a heavily edited (or bastardised) version. I dunno, I have two copies of it, both translations were done by Engels (I think) they are pretty spot-on.

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Hehe, one of my lecturers was going on about his tombstone, apparently funded and built around 1900 by the British Communist Party. Looks almost bourgeois-like, I think Marx wouldn't have wanted something like that.
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Old 10-15-2003, 10:42 AM   #13 (permalink)
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LOL

Well, it's one of the most influential political documents in history. Up there with "Property is theft" pamphlet, the American Constitution, the Magna Carter and the UN Declaration on Universial Human Rights.

You also have to remember the social context in which it was written. It wasn't really aimed at American college kids.



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BINGO! Whether you like it or not, it is one of the most influential documents ever and it definitely was not aimed at American college kids. I have to agree, however, that it was a bit annoying to read.
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Old 10-15-2003, 10:50 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Whats funny was marx himself was not a Marxist, he hated what the pinko-socialists did with his ideas.
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Old 10-15-2003, 11:35 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Yeah dudes, I know what you mean. He has some cool ideas, but he's still not quite at Shakespear's level, which he should of course be when writing a manifesto aimed at the unknowing masses. Also, I hear he sucked at painting and was a poor sculptor. Damn that Marx dude.
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Old 10-20-2003, 07:40 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I think that something had gotten lost in the translation but the Manifesto is still something that i think highschool kids should read if only for the historical value.
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Old 10-20-2003, 10:43 AM   #17 (permalink)
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If Marx was alive today, he'd go berzerk. And cry. Kind of like Einstein and the A-bomb.

Some of his stuff is quite accurate, though. Back when he wrote it. Today it's way off.

And hey, Santa isn't a commie. He started wearing red after a Coca-Cola ad campaign. He was originally grey in most countries. Coke went; "Hey, wouldn't a Coke-red Santa be a good idea?"

And it was. Christmas just ain't what it used to be.
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Old 10-20-2003, 01:48 PM   #18 (permalink)
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You want real nonsense, try the Humanist Manifesto.
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Old 10-20-2003, 03:07 PM   #19 (permalink)
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And hey, Santa isn't a commie. He started wearing red after a Coca-Cola ad campaign. He was originally grey in most countries. Coke went; "Hey, wouldn't a Coke-red Santa be a good idea?"
I didn't know that. That's pretty funny and at the same time...pretty awful.

That's like the fact that giving gifts on Christmas was started by department stores to boost sales in the cold winter months. No kidding.

Interesting to know that our Modern Christmas was invented by coporations.

Marx must be turning over in his grave.
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Old 10-20-2003, 03:51 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Marx must be turning over in his grave.
Not to be confused with the graves of the mass millions who died in nations claiming to follow his principles.

Christmas is fun, even if it is a corporate holiday.
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Old 10-20-2003, 11:55 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Not to be confused with the graves of the mass millions who died in nations claiming to follow his principles.
The Gulag sucks
Easy there....in no way am I trying to ignore the atrocities commited under communism with my comment. And all you have to do is read some of the massive book The Gulag Archipelago to realize that "sucks" is far to nice a description of the horrific chain of prisons where Lenin and Stalin sent some of their best and brightest to be locked up, tortured, and/or killed.

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Sorry, but Christmas is fun DESPITE being a corporate holiday. Just get a job working for any type of retail business during the Christmas season in order to see what stress the pressure to give "things" to each other puts on people.

I've seen people literally fight over stupid little gifts that will ultimately be forgotten in a drawer not long after they're unwrapped. I've also seen people utterly devastated when they learn the thing they wanted is sold out.

You know there's alot of ways to "give" and they don't all involve things you buy at Macy's or anywhere else for that matter.

Giving a material gift is what the coporations focused in on in their ad campaigns because that type of giving is what makes them money. And they've made a ton.
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Old 10-21-2003, 06:51 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Sorry, but Christmas is fun DESPITE being a corporate holiday. Just get a job working for any type of retail business during the Christmas season in order to see what stress the pressure to give "things" to each other puts on people.

I've seen people literally fight over stupid little gifts that will ultimately be forgotten in a drawer not long after they're unwrapped. I've also seen people utterly devastated when they learn the thing they wanted is sold out.
Yes but some people are just stupid. Back when I was younger I really enjoyed Christmass shopping, now I'm lazy and let my wife do it, and she also enjoys it. If parents want to fight over the last 'Tickle me Elmo' thats their problem, I don't let their stress get in my way.
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Old 10-23-2003, 08:09 PM   #23 (permalink)
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After reading the Communist Manifesto a second time... it is all right. I like what he says in the last paragraph. Yeah.

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