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Ustwo · 10-12-2003, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by HarmlessRabbit
Whether he is charged or not is pretty irrelevant. He has admitted to being a common criminal. He's no better than a crack addict. In fact, he's worse since he is such a hypocrite.

Yes being addicted to painkillers after surgery is just like being a crack addict, I mean who does he think he is, a Green Bay QB?

seretogis · 10-12-2003, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by Peryn
He hasn't asked for leniency, he hasn't said "dont prosecute me because im rush!". No. He declared that he messed up and that he should, and will, be held accountable, and that he is no hero. Again, where are his lies and hyprocrisy?

..quoting since people seem to have missed this.

sixate · 10-12-2003, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by HarmlessRabbit
Jesus christ, are you completely brainwashed? HE ADMITTED TO BEING ADDICTED TO DRUGS. DO YOU THINK THEY DROPPED OUT OF THE SKY AND PUT THEMSELVES IN HIS BLOODSTREAM? CONVICTED OR NOT, HE COMMITTED SEVERAL FELONY-LEVEL CRIMES. READ HIS STATEMENT IN THE ORIGINAL POST ON THIS THREAD.

Whether he is charged or not is pretty irrelevant. He has admitted to being a common criminal. He's no better than a crack addict. In fact, he's worse since he is such a hypocrite.

Since we disagree on just about everything. I'm just pointing out that do agree on this topic.

sixate · 10-12-2003, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by Peryn
He hasn't asked for leniency, he hasn't said "dont prosecute me because im rush!". No. He declared that he messed up and that he should, and will, be held accountable, and that he is no hero. Again, where are his lies and hyprocrisy?

I'll tell you where...
Did he come out and tell people he was a fucking pill-head freak with no self control? No! Why? Because he is a fucking hypocrite. He never would've come clean if he wasn't turned in.

Superbelt · 10-12-2003, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Peryn
He hasn't asked for leniency, he hasn't said "dont prosecute me because im rush!". No. He declared that he messed up and that he should, and will, be held accountable, and that he is no hero. Again, where are his lies and hyprocrisy?

Yeah he hasn't asked for leniency now, but wait till his trial. What he says now means nothing. What he does, means all the world

HarmlessRabbit · 10-12-2003, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
Since we disagree on just about everything. I'm just pointing out that do agree on this topic.

Jeez, this and the Michigan thread. There must be something in the water.

HarmlessRabbit · 10-12-2003, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by Peryn
Also, those who are yelling about his possible hypocrisy, stop and think about what you are saying. .... Again, where are his lies and hyprocrisy?

I stopped and thought. Here's what I came up with:

Rush Limbaugh on his TV show October 5, 1995.
Too many whites are getting away with drug use. The answer is to ... find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river.

Remember Rush's temporary deafness? Read this story "Misuse of Pain Drug Linked to Hearing Loss"

http://www.latimes.com/features/heal...1vicodin.story

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So far, at least 48 patients have been identified by doctors at the House Ear Institute in Los Angeles and several other medical centers who have treated patients with sudden hearing loss. The hearing problems appear to be limited to people who abuse Vicodin and other chemically comparable prescription drugs by taking exceptionally high dosages for several months or more, doctors said.

What did rush say about his deafness?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...8/231739.shtml

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Now, if it eventuates that the medication that is literally -- I mean I'm popping pills, I'm shooting up stuff, I've never done stuff like this before. If this stuff doesn't work, then there is one other option that is relatively new, but it's not something that has been done enough to where a pattern has been established to say that it's acceptable.

This was in October 2001. What did his maid say about his drug habit?

http://www.msnbc.com/news/979355.asp?

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Her motive remained murky, but her story—how she had met Limbaugh in parking lots to exchange sandwich bags filled with “baby blues” (OxyContin pills) for a cigar box stuffed with cash—was luridly damning. Between July 2001 and June 2002, Cline delivered enough pills to Limbaugh “to kill an elephant,”

So, at the same time Rush is pleading for sympathy about his deafness, he is creating it himself by popping pills AND denying that he is doing it.

Now, what's a hypocrite?

http://www.m-w.com

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Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Old French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century
a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

Rush Limbaugh is a BIG FAT LIAR AND A HYPOCRITE.

I rest my case.

crewsor · 10-12-2003, 03:20 PM

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Rush Limbaugh is a BIG FAT LIAR AND A HYPOCRITE.

I rest my case.

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DITTO

Peryn · 10-12-2003, 07:43 PM

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Jesus christ, are you completely brainwashed? HE ADMITTED TO BEING ADDICTED TO DRUGS. DO YOU THINK THEY DROPPED OUT OF THE SKY AND PUT THEMSELVES IN HIS BLOODSTREAM? CONVICTED OR NOT, HE COMMITTED SEVERAL FELONY-LEVEL CRIMES. READ HIS STATEMENT IN THE ORIGINAL POST ON THIS THREAD.

I did read the thread and this is what i came up with.

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I am addicted to prescription pain medication.

He said he was addicted. He said it was a prescription. There is nothing illegal about taking a prescription pill. He didn't say that he got them illegally, he didn't admit to stealing them, he didn't admit to anything illegal. Yes, chances are that the maid's testimony is somewhat correct. I dont believe the amounts she quotes, but i do believe he did obtain some illegally. Nevertheless, you are not the jury. You have not heard the facts. You are convicting him based on your opinion, and claiming that he said it. NOWHERE in that speach did he admit to anything illegal. you infer and assume a lot that is not there. he did not admit to being a criminal...

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We do not have to explain and justify liberal principles as they apply to Rush Limbaugh

Why not? those who persecute and prosecute him should not be asked to back up their beliefs and reasons? Why should someone be asked to explain the defense of rush, without his acusers (sp?) being required to do teh same?

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what he did should be treated as an illness rather than as a criminal violation

Do you really? You claim people in his situation should be healed and treated, not ciminally charged. This applies to every case EXCEPT that of rush. "especially for someone who whole heartedly has been fighting for criminal prosecution of such a sickness" Again, you believe one way, but quickly changes in the order of vengeance. You only back your beliefs when they work for you rather than against you? Under any other circumstances, you would call someone who changes their beliefs and principles for one person hypocritical. Gee, doesn't that sound like what you think Mr. Limbaugh is doing. Yet vaguely similar to your own position. You would call anyone who so easily changes their stance based on popular belief spinless, gutless, and hypocritical ... until it applies to yourself.

Peryn · 10-12-2003, 08:20 PM

and that quote about him popping pills, in context he is talking about drugs the doctors have prescribed to try and counter the hearing loss. He is not saying "i like pain pills". He is simply saying that they have him on a huge variety of medicine to try and aid his hearing.

Also, when has rush pleaded for sympathy because of his hearing loss? This is a big question. In that article, he hints at what we know know now, that he may be responsible for his own hearing loss. But he does not ask for any sympathy. The big claim about him being a hypocrite is that he wants sympathy and leaniency in a situation where he never gave any to others. But i ask you, when has he asked for sypmathy or leniency toward his case and toward his decisions?

Also, people are scrutinizing him because he didn't come out about it until he got caught. what a coward he must be. Well, thats the nature of the beast so to speak. The nature of an addiction is to deny and hide it as long as possible. When was the last time you have heard of someone going around admitting to their family, all their freinds, and everybody they know, and even dont know, that they are addicted to drugs and need help? This has probably never happened. If it has happened to youm then when was the last time that you knew someone who did that withOUT getting caught first? Or withOUT trying to get help and failing first? An example. Lots of us know alcoholics. Many know people who are genuinely addicted to the bottle. Now, have any alcoholics come up to you and said "im an alcoholic. I have problems and need help. I messed up, but please pray for me to get better"? If they have, chances are, that someone else caught him, found him out, and explained to him that he has a problem. You wouldn't hold that against THEM would you? no, but since Rush is popular and you disagree with many of his ideas, you suddenly hold him to an unrealistically high standard.

As for the quote from 1995, i do not know all the facts. Had he had his back surgery then? I didn't find a date from a quick google, but i am curoius if he had had his operation yet. i am not positive, but i believe he was still heavily overweight, and unoperated at that time. In which case, it is kind of irrelavent as it doesn't apply to his beliefs or state of mind while he was taking teh pills.

HarmlessRabbit · 10-12-2003, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by Peryn
[B] and that quote about him popping pills, in context he is talking about drugs the doctors have prescribed to try and counter the hearing loss. He is not saying "i like pain pills". He is simply saying that they have him on a huge variety of medicine to try and aid his hearing.

Did you even read what I posted? His hearing was damaged BY HIS PILL POPPING AND AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS SAYING THAT HE HAD NOT POPPED PILLS BEFORE.

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Also, when has rush pleaded for sympathy because of his hearing loss? This is a big question. In that article, he hints at what we know know now, that he may be responsible for his own hearing loss. But he does not ask for any sympathy. The big claim about him being a hypocrite is that he wants sympathy and leaniency in a situation where he never gave any to others. But i ask you, when has he asked for sypmathy or leniency toward his case and toward his decisions?

When he said that he was holding back some of his statements on advice of his lawyers. As a felony drug abuser, he should turn himself in right now and plead guilty to any crimes he is charged.

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Also, people are scrutinizing him because he didn't come out about it until he got caught. what a coward he must be. Well, thats the nature of the beast so to speak. The nature of an addiction is to deny and hide it as long as possible. When was the last time you have heard of someone going around admitting to their family, all their freinds, and everybody they know, and even dont know, that they are addicted to drugs and need help? This has probably never happened. If it has happened to youm then when was the last time that you knew someone who did that withOUT getting caught first? Or withOUT trying to get help and failing first? An example. Lots of us know alcoholics. Many know people who are genuinely addicted to the bottle. Now, have any alcoholics come up to you and said "im an alcoholic. I have problems and need help. I messed up, but please pray for me to get better"? If they have, chances are, that someone else caught him, found him out, and explained to him that he has a problem. You wouldn't hold that against THEM would you? no, but since Rush is popular and you disagree with many of his ideas, you suddenly hold him to an unrealistically high standard.

Rush is the one saying drug abusers should go to jail. Not me. Rush. I didn't see where he was offering sympathy to addicts.

He's also quite the golfer for someone with crippling back pain:

http://www.golfserv.com/gdc/news/article.asp?id=15650

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As for the quote from 1995, i do not know all the facts. Had he had his back surgery then? I didn't find a date from a quick google, but i am curoius if he had had his operation yet. i am not positive, but i believe he was still heavily overweight, and unoperated at that time. In which case, it is kind of irrelavent as it doesn't apply to his beliefs or state of mind while he was taking teh pills.

Show me where he changed his mind of softened his position. So you're saying after he started popping pills he changed his mind and thought "hey, buying thousands of illegal pills and committing felonies in a denny's parking lot is actually ok." Am I following you here? And the fact that he supposedly did so, even though there is no evidence to show that he ever changed his mind, somehow vindicates him, since instead of being a hypocrite he is now a drug addict who thinks drugs are great?

onetime2 · 10-13-2003, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
After he died, Rush called Kurt Cobain, who was also being controlled by habitual drug use, a "total waste of a human life". I believe the same should also be applied to Rush by himself, and his listeners.

After he died? How about after he killed himself? There's a difference.

Superbelt · 10-13-2003, 05:29 AM

Yeah killed himself because of the intense torture his life was because of his addiction to drugs.

And he still led 10 x more of a positive life than Rush did because he left behind good music and insipiration... and Rush left... well, Hate.

prb · 10-13-2003, 06:32 AM

Rush broke the law. Repeatedly. And while he repeatedly broke the law he advocated for the deportation or for the incarceration of others who did the same. He was meriless in his tirades against others with addictions but will hope that he receives mercy himself. He is contemptible for his hypocrisy.

It took no courage for Rush to admit his addiction after he was caught dead to rights in his drug abuse.

As far as Rush's lies: Al Franken's books have accounted for more than a few whoppers from Rush, who is largely unconcerned with factual reporting. Also, you might check out http://www.fair.org/media-outlets/limbaugh.html

Superbelt · 10-13-2003, 07:37 AM

Too Rich:

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If Bill Clinton were an addict, here's how Rush might spin it
By Bill McClellan
Post-Dispatch
10/12/2003

Somewhere in a parallel universe, where we are the same people but things have happened in slightly differently ways, Rush Limbaugh greets his loyal listeners this morning.

"Lots to talk about today. You all know already that Bill Clinton, our former president, has admitted an addiction to prescription drugs.

"It's interesting to see the way the liberal media are playing this. I'm looking at a copy of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Saturday, October 11th, edition - the day after the big announcement. Well, the story is on Page 2, and right next to his photograph, in large boldface print, is the following quote: 'I take full responsibility for this problem.'

"That's interesting, folks, because if you look at his actual statement - not what the liberal media say he said, but what he really said - you get a different take on it. First, he says he's got back problems. So he's blaming it on that. Then he says he had surgery, but the surgery wasn't successful. So he's blaming it on the doctors. Then he says the pain medication was addictive. So he's blaming it on the pharmaceutical companies. Folks, he blames it on everybody but himself! But as long as he puts in that obligatory line about taking responsibility, that's what the liberal media are going to grab: Clinton takes full responsibility!

"Here's another interesting thing in his statement. I love this one. He says a lot of athletes have admitted drug problems and have been treated like heroes. Huh? Can you name one athlete who admitted a drug problem and was then treated like a hero? How about Darryl Strawberry? Maybe liberals thought Strawberry was a hero, but I don't think most of us felt that way. And then Clinton says, 'I refuse to let anyone think I'm doing something heroic here.'

"You want to know what that's about? He's telling his friends in the liberal media how he wants this thing played. He wants to be called a hero for admitting his problem. That's why liberals confuse so many people. They mean the opposite of what they say.

"And I'm telling you folks, the liberal media are going to do it. He's going to be a hero. I can already see the spin on this: Clinton accepts responsibility! Doesn't blame others!

"I know you don't believe me - 'Rush, not even the liberal media can pull that one off!' - but just watch. I'm telling you. Just watch.

"Another thing. I heard him on the radio the other day. He was whimpering, 'I want to tell you about this because you're like family to me.' If there are any liberals out there listening, I'd like to ask you this: Weren't you people like family six weeks ago? How about six months ago? Two years ago? But he didn't feel the need to tell you then, did he? So why now? You think it could be because he's been caught? Because his high-priced attorney has told him he'd better act remorseful?

"Speaking of getting caught, have any of you read about those tapes and e-mails the cops have? Heh, heh, heh. You won't read them in the mainstream press, or hear about them on the Clinton News Network, but they're a hoot. He sounds like he's auditioning for a part in the next Cheech and Chong movie. He calls money "cabbage," and he refers to his favorite pills as "blue babes." It's always interesting to hear the way somebody talks when he thinks nobody is listening.

"I know what liberals are going to say: 'This is a time for compassion.' Let me be very clear about this, folks. I have compassion. But my compassion is for all the people who believed in the guy. He was their shining star. He could do no wrong. But you know something? I probably don't have to worry. Because his followers are going to still believe in him. That's the thing about liberals! You can't convince them! You can show them the facts. You can say, 'Look, here is what he really said, and here is what he really did,' but they don't want to know the truth. That's the big difference between them and us. Liberals are afraid of the truth."

Superbelt · 10-13-2003, 07:57 AM

oops, nm

onetime2 · 10-13-2003, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
Yeah killed himself because of the intense torture his life was because of his addiction to drugs.

And he still led 10 x more of a positive life than Rush did because he left behind good music and insipiration... and Rush left... well, Hate.

Well I guess it's all a matter of perspective. Cobain took the easy way out, period. Not exactly someone that should be looked up to in my book.

You may think Rush spouts nothing but hate, millions of others think he doesn't. Personally I think he's a bit pompous, selective in his arguments, and his stances are usually out of place in real world action. But, he has certainly generated a hell of a lot of interest in politics and has communicated a variety of interesting perspectives on different topics.

I would certainly have more respect for the liberal position of treating drug users as having an illness if they would apply that rule to all equally.

As far as Rush and his pain killer addiction, it won't hurt him much. And not because his fans are so loyal. It's because addiction to drugs is looked at as more of a temporary set back in our society. If the person returns to a fully functional status at some point (and in some cases even if they don't) they aren't looked at as "the addict" anymore. Actors, actresses, politicians, businessmen, and a whole range of citizens have stumbled and then gotten up. People are generally very forgiving.

Peryn · 10-13-2003, 10:24 AM

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When he said that he was holding back some of his statements on advice of his lawyers. As a felony drug abuser, he should turn himself in right now and plead guilty to any crimes he is charged.

So he was pleading for sympathy by saying that authorities have asked him to limit his comments? Sounds to me like he was doing the right thing and working with police / attorneys. Personally, i dont see how limiting his comments could possibly be taken as aa plea for sympathy at ALL. Also, by your logic that because he did something illegal, he shouldn't have a chance to defend himself, you ought to go into your local police station and ask for several tickets, and fines for your actions while in your car. You ought to ask for a fine for every time you have gone above the speed limit, you ough to go ask for a fine for Exhibition of Accelleration (pretty much any time you try and accel faster than someone they COULD nail you for this.). There is no reason that Rush, or anyone else for that matter, should NOT put up a fight in their defense.

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Show me where he changed his mind of softened his position. So you're saying after he started popping pills he changed his mind and thought "hey, buying thousands of illegal pills and committing felonies in a denny's parking lot is actually ok." Am I following you here? And the fact that he supposedly did so, even though there is no evidence to show that he ever changed his mind, somehow vindicates him, since instead of being a hypocrite he is now a drug addict who thinks drugs are great?

I dont know if he has softened his position at all since he has been addicted. Thats why i asked. Thats what the "?" means. There is no reason that he shouldn't be allowed to change his position on drugs and drug addicts once he can sympathize with them and learns more about it. As long as he applies it equally and stands behind it, there is nothing hypocritical. I was simply asking if that quote applied to his current stance on the issue.

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His hearing was damaged BY HIS PILL POPPING AND AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS SAYING THAT HE HAD NOT POPPED PILLS BEFORE

You are talking about two completely different sets of pills. The pain pills very well may have caused his hearing difficulties. But in the quote that YOU supplied, he said he has "never done stuff like this before" The "this" is refering to the large regimen of hearing pills, syringes, and other thereapies, NOT the pain pills. And what he said wasn't hypocritical. I'm sure he never has been on that many varietys of treatments, as frequently, and with a poor expectancy of good results before. You are using "pills" interchangebly for the basis of your argument, without looking at the word in context. Lets use a real life example. You take aspirine "pills" every day because you hear its good for your heart. Now you have a serious health complication and are stuck on 4 different types of medication, some oral, some injected, etc. Would it be fair to say that you have "never done stuff like that before"? Sure, Even though you WERE taking pills on a daily basis before, you have dont nothing near the amount you are doing now. But if we replace Rush with "you", and change one type of pain pill for another, suddenly he is lying and cant tell the truth. This doesn't seem quite right to me..

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I would certainly have more respect for the liberal position of treating drug users as having an illness if they would apply that rule to all equally.

Precisely! you dont really have much of a position or a real belief if you decide to pick and choose who it applies to and who it doesn't.

Superbelt · 10-13-2003, 11:39 AM

What is there not to have respect for in the liberal position?

We want the laws changed, but as it is we want equal treatment under the law. He shouldn't be getting a pass while there are millions rotting away in jail for the same weakness. This is entirely in line with the "liberal position."

I remember this bastard even making fun of Tommy Chong only one month ago on his show for getting caught selling bongs.

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 11:45 AM

http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/...604_mattrn.htm

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BUSH EXPRESSES SUPPORT OF LIMBAUGH; HOST TO RETURN TO AIRWAVES AT NOON; ENQUIRER HELD STORY FOR TWO YEARS

**Exclusive**

President Bush expressed support of radio star Rush Limbaugh in conversations with top staff on Thursday, a senior administration source told the DRUDGE REPORT.

"Rush is a great American," the president said of the beleaguered host, who has championed the conservative movement for decades. "I am confident he can overcome any obstacles he faces right now."

Limbaugh is to host his daily broadcast from New York City on Friday.

MORE

Meanwhile, the NATIONAL ENQUIRER is contemplating releasing on to the Internet audio tapes of Limbaugh made by his former housekeeper. The ENQUIRER carried allegations made by the housekeeper claiming Limbaugh bought prescription painkillers off the blackmarket.

The NATIONAL ENQUIRER held back reporting on Limbaugh for nearly two years, a publishing source tells the DRUDGE REPORT.

The tabloid's editors felt more confidence after police began an investigation.

Developing...

Is this a cue from President Bush that Prosecutors aren't going to be so hard on the "great American" Rush Limbaugh? Perhaps he'll get off scott free like Kenny Boy Lay?

Who knows... I just hope this ends that Anti-American Pig boy's bigotted career for good. But then again right-wingers seem to love criminal talk show hosts and even have a bigger place in their heart for traitors.

JBX · 10-13-2003, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by Astrocloud :Perhaps he'll get off scott free like Kenny Boy Lay?

I'm still curious, what exactly would you charge Rush with?

Conclamo Ludus · 10-13-2003, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by JBX
I'm still curious, what exactly would you charge Rush with?

Perhaps being a republican with a strong opinion and a large fan-base.

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by JBX
I'm still curious, what exactly would you charge Rush with?

Cool, so in this fantasy world where I am charging people with crimes -can I charge him with hypocrisy, lying, or just promoting stupidity? Perhaps I could charge him with subverting conservative values so that they become completely unpalatable for anyone who is able to think beyond name calling and scandal mongering. If fallacy were illegal, I should charge him with creating a false dichotomy between Liberal beliefs and everything else. (Because you see, Liberals are the ones who blew up the WTC -and if they didn't then they are somehow responsible.)

Rush led the way for conservative talk shows. He invented how it is done. Here are some of the tactics:

First, act like you're reporting the news but only find stories that support your political agenda. If someone shoots a burglar, celebrate the story as an example of why we need more handguns. It might be a good idea to follow it with some canned applause. Be sure to ignore the 10 children that are accidentally shot that day.

Second, if you get cornered rephrase your argument, then change it to something your opponent agrees with and claim victory on your original point. ...

Third, be incredibly gullible when it comes to believing bad things about your enemy and good things about yourself. According to Russ and Dee, Palestinians don't love their children, they only love murderers and terrorists. The Koran overtly advocates violence but the Bible would never do anything like that. Be sure to keep it simple, 100% good vs. 100% bad.

Forth, if a caller is making a sophisticated point that you don't agree with catch him on a technicality, like a mispronounced word, then declare his whole argument wrong. Sound bites are much better than complicated explanations on temporal media like talk radio.

Fifth, let your callers lie for you. Be sure to object to an occasional wild accusation to maintain some credibility.

Sixth, compare your opponent to Hitler. ... Bet you didn't know that Hitler was a "liberal" and the Nazis were politically correct.

Seventh, if you bring on guests to debate find the dumbest burned out hippy to represent the Left.

Finally, if all else fails go to a commercial.

(from the "Liberal" http://www.birminghamfreepress.com/Features/Media.html.)

But wait, you wanted a real crime that Rush can go to jail for? How about Criminal Conspiracy to possess drugs Title 21 US 846. Yes, that will do nicely.

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by Conclamo Ludus
Perhaps being a republican with a strong opinion and a large fan-base.

More correctly a LOUD, STUPID republican with an arrogant IGNORANT fan-base.

Conclamo Ludus · 10-13-2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Astrocloud
More correctly a LOUD, STUPID republican with an arrogant IGNORANT fan-base.

They're probably all judgemental too.

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by Conclamo Ludus
They're probably all judgemental too.

Perhaps, but it does make me wonder if there was an intelligent right wing talk show host -if he would have any listeners.

Ustwo · 10-13-2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Astrocloud
More correctly a LOUD, STUPID republican with an arrogant IGNORANT fan-base.

Mmmm I'm a part of his 'fan base'. I also hold a M.S., a doctorate and I am a member of MENSA. I'm willing to bet my knowledge of my non-specialty subjects like history and how it relates to politics is far superior to yours. I state this not because I wish to brag, bragging on the internet is almost as pointless as arguing. I state this because the LOUD, STUPID, and IGNORANT ones seem to be people who never really listened to his show, and only get their opinions on it based on what trickles down through biased news sources who wish people like Rush, Drudge, and the like would go away. You may not agree with him on any subjects and thats fine, everyone is entitled to be wrong, but try to have caution characterizing a fan base you really known nothing of.

Cheers

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by Ustwo
Mmmm I'm a part of his 'fan base'. I also hold a M.S., a doctorate and I am a member of MENSA. I'm willing to bet my knowledge of my non-specialty subjects like history and how it relates to politics is far superior to yours. ... blah blah blah
Cheers

Any opinion you want me to have about you bein "superior" an' all is now completely marginalized by your admission to being a Rush Limbaugh fan.

Rather than trade insults... I'll just leave it at that. 'Nuff said.

Food Eater Lad · 10-13-2003, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Astrocloud
More correctly a LOUD, STUPID republican with an arrogant IGNORANT fan-base.

As opposed to the well informed and truthful Micheal Moore and his fans?

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 02:33 PM

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As opposed to the well informed and truthful Micheal Moore and his fans?

I'm glad you made the comparison. Sure, Limbaugh is comparible to Moore with one important caveat -Moore is funny... Limbaugh is just 'plane stoopid'.

Ustwo · 10-13-2003, 02:59 PM

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I'm glad you made the comparison. Sure, Limbaugh is comparible to Moore with one important caveat -Moore is funny... Limbaugh is just 'plane stoopid'.

Moore is also a documented liar. Try to find the same type of documentation on what Rush has said. The 'best' you will find are out of context quotes, which without supporting material make him look bad.

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 03:08 PM

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Moore is also a documented liar. Try to find the same type of documentation on what Rush has said. The 'best' you will find are out of context quotes, which without supporting material make him look bad.

This is almost too asinine to even reply to. Have you heard of google? It's a kind of "search engine" that you can search for information that other people have "posted" on the "internet".

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=limbaugh+lies

Peryn · 10-13-2003, 06:35 PM

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Perhaps, but it does make me wonder if there was an intelligent right wing talk show host -if he would have any listeners.

The same thing could also be said about a left wing talk show host. I wonder if he would have any listeners. Apparently they dont have enough to keep their program running...

Also, have you actually spent any real amount of time listening to Rush? You seem pretty clueless as to what actually goes on in his show.

Also, to those who wish to "charge" rush with hypocrisy, i've yet to see a single quote of him actually asking for leniency in his case.

JumpinJesus · 10-13-2003, 06:57 PM

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Also, to those who wish to "charge" rush with hypocrisy, i've yet to see a single quote of him actually asking for leniency in his case.

I don't think it's so much a matter of him asking for leniency as it is a matter of him for many years publicly lambasting drug users while he himself was tossing back pills.

I don't listen to his program regularly so I'm willing to concede that I may very well have missed the numerous occassions he may have stated that he had deep sympathy for those poor souls who were forced by their addiction to order their maids to illegally obtain their highly addictive pain medication.

splck · 10-13-2003, 07:05 PM

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Also, to those who wish to "charge" rush with hypocrisy, i've yet to see a single quote of him actually asking for leniency in his case.

The fact to the man spouts off about drug users and then get caught as a drug user himself is enough to call him a hypocrite IMO.

Ustwo · 10-13-2003, 08:15 PM

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Rush led the way for conservative talk shows. He invented how it is done. Here are some of the tactics:

First, act like you're reporting the news but only find stories that support your political agenda. If someone shoots a burglar, celebrate the story as an example of why we need more handguns. It might be a good idea to follow it with some canned applause. Be sure to ignore the 10 children that are accidentally shot that day.

Actualy I've never heard Rush ignore a national story as it relates to a current event.

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Second, if you get cornered rephrase your argument, then change it to something your opponent agrees with and claim victory on your original point. ...

Nope, that sounds more like Bill Clinton debate school though.

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Third, be incredibly gullible when it comes to believing bad things about your enemy and good things about yourself. According to Russ and Dee, Palestinians don't love their children, they only love murderers and terrorists. The Koran overtly advocates violence but the Bible would never do anything like that. Be sure to keep it simple, 100% good vs. 100% bad.

No clue who Russ and Dee are, but again, not Rush.

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Forth, if a caller is making a sophisticated point that you don't agree with catch him on a technicality, like a mispronounced word, then declare his whole argument wrong. Sound bites are much better than complicated explanations on temporal media like talk radio.

Nope again not on Rush.

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Fifth, let your callers lie for you. Be sure to object to an occasional wild accusation to maintain some credibility.

Again I'm not sure who you listened to but it was never Rush.

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Sixth, compare your opponent to Hitler. ... Bet you didn't know that Hitler was a "liberal" and the Nazis were politically correct.

Only people I know who like to call people nazi's are liberals. Again, not Rush. About the only time I hear Hitler's name evoked by a conservative is when they point out Hitler's and Stalin's use of gun control laws.

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Seventh, if you bring on guests to debate find the dumbest burned out hippy to represent the Left.

Rush almost never has guests, out side of the VP once and a few authors, so this isn't Rush again. While this is a technique long perfected by 20/20, and I'm sure some low rated local conservative show might do the same, I've never seen it on any national shows.

I'm willing to bet Astro you never listened to Rush, ever.

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 09:03 PM

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I'm willing to bet Astro you never listened to Rush, ever.

So this is how the cancer spreads...

Actually I watched that dumbass when he had a television show. It came on around 11:00 in Phx right after "Morton Downey Jr". Of course this was between 14 and 15 years ago. Yes, that fat blob-boy had guests. He also had callers. I also listened to him about 4 years ago when Hippy Rush appeared to protest against the Kosova war. Perhaps it was then that he developed his drug habit... He thought he'd tune in, turn on and drop out. (As if that blowhard has any fucking clue about anything).

On reading your reply -if you looked at the cited news source and the CONTEXT of what I wrote before (for which you graciously issued a point by point denial.) -You will realize that I was in fact quoting a source for the talk show style which Rush invented. The entire article was given by the link at the bottom. Perhaps I wasn't clear that I was arguing against a certain style not unique to that ignorant blob-boy. Did you miss the article? Here I'll give it again -the Birmingham Free Press article http://www.birminghamfreepress.com/Features/Media.html Sorry for not being clear... too bad you wasted your time debating against something that wasn't clear.

The fact of the matter is -seeing that you chose to take something out of context and then argue against it -is that you are using a style of argumentation very similar to that of Rush Limbaugh's. I see he's rubbing off on you. Instead of 'hmming and hawing' at someone else; (because they don't listen to that blowhard idiot as much as you) -perhaps you should listen to Rush Limbaugh and his ilk LESS.

No, really. Consider this -all of you Rush Limbaugh fans -instead of trying to proselytize others and get them to listen to Rush Limbaugh; perhaps you should just listen less. Do something else. Masturbation, for example is much more productive -try that.

Thankfully that guy is off the air for now. His pill popping did him in. My only regret is that it didn't REALLY do him in. I'm truly sad that he didn't overdose because this way he might come back on the air. <shudder>

seretogis · 10-13-2003, 10:07 PM

Page two of this thread is seriously not worth reading. Please, enough of this childish nonsense.

HarmlessRabbit · 10-13-2003, 10:38 PM

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Page two of this thread is seriously not worth reading. Please, enough of this childish nonsense.

Yep, I agree. When people start playing the MENSA card, it's time to move on.

NEXT.

Superbelt · 10-14-2003, 03:13 AM

I'll just correct this one:

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Only people I know who like to call people nazi's are liberals. Again, not Rush. About the only time I hear Hitler's name evoked by a conservative is when they point out Hitler's and Stalin's use of gun control laws.

Femi-Nazi.

10-12-2003, 08:20 PM	#50 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	and that quote about him popping pills, in context he is talking about drugs the doctors have prescribed to try and counter the hearing loss. He is not saying "i like pain pills". He is simply saying that they have him on a huge variety of medicine to try and aid his hearing. Also, when has rush pleaded for sympathy because of his hearing loss? This is a big question. In that article, he hints at what we know know now, that he may be responsible for his own hearing loss. But he does not ask for any sympathy. The big claim about him being a hypocrite is that he wants sympathy and leaniency in a situation where he never gave any to others. But i ask you, when has he asked for sypmathy or leniency toward his case and toward his decisions? Also, people are scrutinizing him because he didn't come out about it until he got caught. what a coward he must be. Well, thats the nature of the beast so to speak. The nature of an addiction is to deny and hide it as long as possible. When was the last time you have heard of someone going around admitting to their family, all their freinds, and everybody they know, and even dont know, that they are addicted to drugs and need help? This has probably never happened. If it has happened to youm then when was the last time that you knew someone who did that withOUT getting caught first? Or withOUT trying to get help and failing first? An example. Lots of us know alcoholics. Many know people who are genuinely addicted to the bottle. Now, have any alcoholics come up to you and said "im an alcoholic. I have problems and need help. I messed up, but please pray for me to get better"? If they have, chances are, that someone else caught him, found him out, and explained to him that he has a problem. You wouldn't hold that against THEM would you? no, but since Rush is popular and you disagree with many of his ideas, you suddenly hold him to an unrealistically high standard. As for the quote from 1995, i do not know all the facts. Had he had his back surgery then? I didn't find a date from a quick google, but i am curoius if he had had his operation yet. i am not positive, but i believe he was still heavily overweight, and unoperated at that time. In which case, it is kind of irrelavent as it doesn't apply to his beliefs or state of mind while he was taking teh pills. __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

10-13-2003, 10:07 PM	#78 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Page two of this thread is seriously not worth reading. Please, enough of this childish nonsense. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

10-13-2003, 05:29 AM	#53 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Yeah killed himself because of the intense torture his life was because of his addiction to drugs. And he still led 10 x more of a positive life than Rush did because he left behind good music and insipiration... and Rush left... well, Hate.

10-13-2003, 06:32 AM	#54 (permalink)
prb Psycho	Rush broke the law. Repeatedly. And while he repeatedly broke the law he advocated for the deportation or for the incarceration of others who did the same. He was meriless in his tirades against others with addictions but will hope that he receives mercy himself. He is contemptible for his hypocrisy. It took no courage for Rush to admit his addiction after he was caught dead to rights in his drug abuse. As far as Rush's lies: Al Franken's books have accounted for more than a few whoppers from Rush, who is largely unconcerned with factual reporting. Also, you might check out http://www.fair.org/media-outlets/limbaugh.html

10-13-2003, 07:57 AM	#56 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	oops, nm

10-13-2003, 11:39 AM	#59 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	What is there not to have respect for in the liberal position? We want the laws changed, but as it is we want equal treatment under the law. He shouldn't be getting a pass while there are millions rotting away in jail for the same weakness. This is entirely in line with the "liberal position." I remember this bastard even making fun of Tommy Chong only one month ago on his show for getting caught selling bongs.