Of the democrats running, would you vote for Hilliary C. in 2004? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Xiangsu · 10-08-2003, 08:29 PM

I would just to see a woman in office.

MuadDib · 10-08-2003, 08:32 PM

You mean in the primaries, right? Or is this a general election question?

The_Dude · 10-08-2003, 08:33 PM

its gotta be the primaries, since only 1 dem can face dr. evil.

MuadDib · 10-08-2003, 08:36 PM

She'd replace Dean as my second choice then. Kucinich to Clinton to Dean.

guthmund · 10-08-2003, 09:47 PM

I'd vote for anybody that just gave me their flat out opinion.

I'm so tired of people pandering to me. If one of them would just say, "you know what? screw it." and told me his or her real opinion on a matter, I think a lot of people would vote for them. At the very least, I'd be able to hold my head a little higher when I go vote.

I may not agree totally with them, but I'd vote for them based solely on their chutzpuh (that's right....I said it...

)

I agree a lot with some of the candidates, but I find their wishy-washy attitude to be a bit tiresome.

I know it's not popular to tell the truth and voice an original opinion, but at least I'd friggin' respect them a bit more.

Oops, let me add this....

I'd vote for Hillary, if she'd stop throwing those canned phrases and focus group approved catch phrases at me.

Kadath · 10-09-2003, 05:23 AM

Actually, no. As it stands right now, I wouldn't vote for her, because if she entered now it would be nothing more than an opportunistic grab at the Oval Office. She's said 2008 and I expect her to be prepared for that race. Of course, that means that Bush will win again...sigh...

JBX · 10-09-2003, 05:38 AM

I would rather poke a sharp stick in my eye.

Ustwo · 10-09-2003, 05:44 AM

I'd vote for Dean over Hilary, hell I'd vote for Nader over Hilary and I'm a conservative.

If I had to pick between a full fledged commie, or Hilary I'd really have to think about it. I'd most likely pick the commie.

Food Eater Lad · 10-09-2003, 12:22 PM

If I were a democrat I would vote for Dean over Hillary. Hillary can not commit to a single thing. She gives popular speaches, then retracts them in quiet. She rides the coattails of her husband. She brags about being a lawyer, but what was her famous case? I mean, if you were a law firm, wouldnt you hire the wife of the govenor just to have conections? What has she done on her own that merits making her president?
She ran against a no name for NY senate, she botched the health care comission, after she and all her friends got paid. The only thing she did was get a 2000% profit on a shakey land deal.

bonbonbox · 10-10-2003, 02:41 PM

Echo JBX, but sharpen the stick even more.

mml · 10-10-2003, 02:56 PM

While I have a great deal of respect (yes, I said respect) for Senator Clinton, I would not vote for her at this time. I would like to see her serve out her term so that I can get a true feel for her abilities and voting record. The Senator is extremely bright and not as liberal as she is painted and would most likely make a good president. However, I think we have some more experienced people running at this time who would probably do a better job.

Nachtschleicher · 10-10-2003, 08:01 PM

No sir, I wouldn't vote for her. No way, no how. I truly believe that the United States would go to hell in a hand basket if she were voted into office. Or any ultra liberal for that matter.

Being conservative myself, I wouldn't vote for a liberal person. I believe that she would team up with Janet Reno, Barbara Lee, Diane Fienstien, and all the other gun grabbers, and together they would ban firearms. After that, I'm sure firearms owners would fight back and it'll be hell in a hand basket.

Of course that's just my opinion. I could be 110% wrong, but then again, the people disagreeing with me could be wrong as well.

Ustwo · 10-10-2003, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by mml
The Senator is extremely bright and not as liberal as she is painted and would most likely make a good president.

You never read the details of her socialized medicine plan did you

Scipio · 10-11-2003, 02:55 PM

As a moderate democrat, I can say that nominating HRC would be a mistake. I wouldn't vote for her in a primary, but she would get my vote if she got on the general election ballot. Honestly, I don't see myself voting for a republican for any national office for the next 10 or 20 years. State level is another matter, but I no longer trust the RNC to do good things for anyone but the wealthy and the RNC itself.

MuadDib · 10-11-2003, 03:55 PM

I wonder if it is just democrats (aka primary voters) that are taking part in this poll. The only reason I am curious is because usually TFP polls are pretty reflective of general polls and elections, but this one is way off. Most polls indicate that if Hilary were to run that she would be leading the pack right now and they give her the best chance against Bush.

Scipio · 10-11-2003, 05:47 PM

I don't mean to be stereotypical, but I am from Arkansas, and if HRC got nominated, every blue collar white guy in the country would turn out to vote against her. She just has soooo much baggage coming in.

JBX · 10-11-2003, 07:42 PM

Damn, I wish I could vote no again.

Ustwo · 10-12-2003, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by MuadDib
I wonder if it is just democrats (aka primary voters) that are taking part in this poll. The only reason I am curious is because usually TFP polls are pretty reflective of general polls and elections, but this one is way off. Most polls indicate that if Hilary were to run that she would be leading the pack right now and they give her the best chance against Bush.

Mybe more TFP's arn't as, um, mentally challanged as the rest of the nation. If Hilary WERE to run I'd register as a democrat and vote against her. I can think of no person LESS worthy of the office who has a chance of getting it.

mml · 10-13-2003, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by Ustwo
You never read the details of her socialized medicine plan did you

Read it, didn't like it, it got flushed down the toilet as it should. Have you ever studied "Voodoo Economics" oops I mean "Trickle-Down Economics" Bit of a boo-boo and that has been pushed by several Presidents.

P.S. I know that it may be sacrilege to bash "trickle-down" but I just can't help it.

Ustwo · 10-13-2003, 01:56 PM

Trickle down economics is what democrats like to call supply side economics, and it works quite nicely.

But its also a moot point, you said she wasn't that liberal, no one who wasn't 'that liberal' would have authored that pile of crap she wanted to foist on the nation in her health care plan

Kadath · 10-13-2003, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by Ustwo
Trickle down economics is what democrats like to call supply side economics, and it works quite nicely.

"...a thousand voices cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced." It is utterly stunning to me that people continue to buy into the lie of SSE.

MuadDib · 10-13-2003, 09:03 PM

Hell, even Bush Sr. knew that SSE was bunk.

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 09:31 PM

I wouldn't vote for Hillary but if she were president... it would be poetic justice on the people who voted for Dumya in that last election.

ObieX · 10-13-2003, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by guthmund
I'd vote for anybody that just gave me their flat out opinion.

I'm so tired of people pandering to me. If one of them would just say, "you know what? screw it." and told me his or her real opinion on a matter, I think a lot of people would vote for them. At the very least, I'd be able to hold my head a little higher when I go vote.

I may not agree totally with them, but I'd vote for them based solely on their chutzpuh (that's right....I said it... )

I agree a lot with some of the candidates, but I find their wishy-washy attitude to be a bit tiresome.

I know it's not popular to tell the truth and voice an original opinion, but at least I'd friggin' respect them a bit more.

I'll be running in 2016 or 2020.

To answer the original question - No i would not vote for her. Currently no one has my vote, and if they want it they'll have to work damn hard. Currently I'm simply not impressed.

MSD · 10-15-2003, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by JBX
I would rather poke a sharp stick in my eye.

I'd use a fork.

burntmonkey · 10-15-2003, 04:36 PM

I would absolutely vote her as the Prime Minister of France!
Wait, what was the question?

Ace_of_Lobster · 10-15-2003, 05:29 PM

At least it would give the right an excuse to keep blaming Clinton for everything.

zenmaster10665 · 10-16-2003, 02:08 AM

absolutely, positively, not.

She is a scheming and conniving one.

Lets just hope that there is someone good put up against dubya!

bierslayer · 10-17-2003, 07:23 PM

Not this coming election. She needs to develop her political skills in the Senate. I think she's a bright woman but she's not ready for the presidency.

Ustwo · 10-17-2003, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Kadath
"...a thousand voices cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced." It is utterly stunning to me that people continue to buy into the lie of SSE.

Yes well I run a bussiness, SSE isn't a myth, its how things are. I'd be curious to see what you think works.

Dibbler · 10-20-2003, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Xiangsu
I would just to see a woman in office.

I wouldn't mind seeing a woman in office either but Hillary?!? There are plenty of women out there that would do a fine job and I'd vote for them but never that bitch.

Ustwo · 10-20-2003, 06:14 PM

Rice in 2008!

SofaKing · 10-20-2003, 07:27 PM

In the primaries I probably won't vote, but when it comes time to choose my next commander in chief i sure as hell will work my tail off to keep the G.O.P. from warmongering and catering to their special interest friends. A woman president would be a nice step forward for our country (although its nothing special, there have been many female PM's in previous years).

Tman144 · 10-21-2003, 08:18 PM

I'd vote for her just to get Bill back in the White House.
SSE doesn't work, If you give more money to rich people, they don't spend more than they would have. A tax break isn't going to convince a millionare to buy a new car, he would have bought it anyway. If you give the poor and middle class more money, they will definitly spend it. Giving $100 to 10 lower class people will buy a bigger number of goods than giving $1000 to a person who is already rich.

mml · 10-22-2003, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tman144

SSE doesn't work, If you give more money to rich people, they don't spend more than they would have. A tax break isn't going to convince a millionare to buy a new car, he would have bought it anyway. If you give the poor and middle class more money, they will definitly spend it. Giving $100 to 10 lower class people will buy a bigger number of goods than giving $1000 to a person who is already rich.

DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNER! You hit the nail right on the head. (Except for the part where you said you'd vote for Hillary

)

10-08-2003, 08:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Xiangsu Addict Location: Illinois	Of the democrats running, would you vote for Hilliary C. in 2004? I would just to see a woman in office.

10-08-2003, 08:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
MuadDib Psycho	You mean in the primaries, right? Or is this a general election question? __________________ "The courts that first rode the warhorse of virtual representation into battle on the res judicata front invested their steed with near-magical properties." ~27 F.3d 751

10-08-2003, 08:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	its gotta be the primaries, since only 1 dem can face dr. evil. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

10-08-2003, 08:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
MuadDib Psycho	She'd replace Dean as my second choice then. Kucinich to Clinton to Dean. __________________ "The courts that first rode the warhorse of virtual representation into battle on the res judicata front invested their steed with near-magical properties." ~27 F.3d 751

10-08-2003, 09:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	I'd vote for anybody that just gave me their flat out opinion. I'm so tired of people pandering to me. If one of them would just say, "you know what? screw it." and told me his or her real opinion on a matter, I think a lot of people would vote for them. At the very least, I'd be able to hold my head a little higher when I go vote. I may not agree totally with them, but I'd vote for them based solely on their chutzpuh (that's right....I said it... ) I agree a lot with some of the candidates, but I find their wishy-washy attitude to be a bit tiresome. I know it's not popular to tell the truth and voice an original opinion, but at least I'd friggin' respect them a bit more. Oops, let me add this.... I'd vote for Hillary, if she'd stop throwing those canned phrases and focus group approved catch phrases at me. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously. Last edited by guthmund; 10-08-2003 at 09:50 PM..

View Poll Results: Of the democrats running, would you vote for Hilliary C. in 2004?
Yes	16	25.40%
No	47	74.60%
Voters: 63. You may not vote on this poll

10-09-2003, 05:23 AM	#6 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	Actually, no. As it stands right now, I wouldn't vote for her, because if she entered now it would be nothing more than an opportunistic grab at the Oval Office. She's said 2008 and I expect her to be prepared for that race. Of course, that means that Bush will win again...sigh... __________________ it's quiet in here

10-09-2003, 05:38 AM	#7 (permalink)
JBX Unfair and Imbalanced Location: Upstate, NY	I would rather poke a sharp stick in my eye. __________________ "Youth and Strength is no match for Age and Treachery"

10-09-2003, 05:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	I'd vote for Dean over Hilary, hell I'd vote for Nader over Hilary and I'm a conservative. If I had to pick between a full fledged commie, or Hilary I'd really have to think about it. I'd most likely pick the commie. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-09-2003, 12:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	If I were a democrat I would vote for Dean over Hillary. Hillary can not commit to a single thing. She gives popular speaches, then retracts them in quiet. She rides the coattails of her husband. She brags about being a lawyer, but what was her famous case? I mean, if you were a law firm, wouldnt you hire the wife of the govenor just to have conections? What has she done on her own that merits making her president? She ran against a no name for NY senate, she botched the health care comission, after she and all her friends got paid. The only thing she did was get a 2000% profit on a shakey land deal.

10-10-2003, 02:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
bonbonbox Banned	Echo JBX, but sharpen the stick even more.

10-10-2003, 02:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	While I have a great deal of respect (yes, I said respect) for Senator Clinton, I would not vote for her at this time. I would like to see her serve out her term so that I can get a true feel for her abilities and voting record. The Senator is extremely bright and not as liberal as she is painted and would most likely make a good president. However, I think we have some more experienced people running at this time who would probably do a better job. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams

10-10-2003, 08:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
Nachtschleicher Tilted	No sir, I wouldn't vote for her. No way, no how. I truly believe that the United States would go to hell in a hand basket if she were voted into office. Or any ultra liberal for that matter. Being conservative myself, I wouldn't vote for a liberal person. I believe that she would team up with Janet Reno, Barbara Lee, Diane Fienstien, and all the other gun grabbers, and together they would ban firearms. After that, I'm sure firearms owners would fight back and it'll be hell in a hand basket. Of course that's just my opinion. I could be 110% wrong, but then again, the people disagreeing with me could be wrong as well.

10-11-2003, 02:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
Scipio Mencken Location: College	As a moderate democrat, I can say that nominating HRC would be a mistake. I wouldn't vote for her in a primary, but she would get my vote if she got on the general election ballot. Honestly, I don't see myself voting for a republican for any national office for the next 10 or 20 years. State level is another matter, but I no longer trust the RNC to do good things for anyone but the wealthy and the RNC itself. __________________ "Erections lasting more than 4 hours, though rare, require immediate medical attention."

10-11-2003, 03:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
MuadDib Psycho	I wonder if it is just democrats (aka primary voters) that are taking part in this poll. The only reason I am curious is because usually TFP polls are pretty reflective of general polls and elections, but this one is way off. Most polls indicate that if Hilary were to run that she would be leading the pack right now and they give her the best chance against Bush. __________________ "The courts that first rode the warhorse of virtual representation into battle on the res judicata front invested their steed with near-magical properties." ~27 F.3d 751

10-11-2003, 05:47 PM	#16 (permalink)
Scipio Mencken Location: College	I don't mean to be stereotypical, but I am from Arkansas, and if HRC got nominated, every blue collar white guy in the country would turn out to vote against her. She just has soooo much baggage coming in. __________________ "Erections lasting more than 4 hours, though rare, require immediate medical attention."

10-11-2003, 07:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
JBX Unfair and Imbalanced Location: Upstate, NY	Damn, I wish I could vote no again. __________________ "Youth and Strength is no match for Age and Treachery"

10-13-2003, 01:56 PM	#20 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Trickle down economics is what democrats like to call supply side economics, and it works quite nicely. But its also a moot point, you said she wasn't that liberal, no one who wasn't 'that liberal' would have authored that pile of crap she wanted to foist on the nation in her health care plan __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-13-2003, 09:03 PM	#22 (permalink)
MuadDib Psycho	Hell, even Bush Sr. knew that SSE was bunk. __________________ "The courts that first rode the warhorse of virtual representation into battle on the res judicata front invested their steed with near-magical properties." ~27 F.3d 751

10-13-2003, 09:31 PM	#23 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	I wouldn't vote for Hillary but if she were president... it would be poetic justice on the people who voted for Dumya in that last election.

10-15-2003, 04:36 PM	#26 (permalink)
burntmonkey Tilted	I would absolutely vote her as the Prime Minister of France! Wait, what was the question?

10-15-2003, 05:29 PM	#27 (permalink)
Ace_of_Lobster Crazy	At least it would give the right an excuse to keep blaming Clinton for everything. __________________ "Hundreds of men must have told you how beautiful you are. Would you displease the gods to hear it once more? I wouldn't. Im young and I hope to see a god before I die." -Patera Silk

10-16-2003, 02:08 AM	#28 (permalink)
zenmaster10665 Bokonist Location: Location, Location, Location...	absolutely, positively, not. She is a scheming and conniving one. Lets just hope that there is someone good put up against dubya! __________________ "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way." -Kurt Vonnegut

10-17-2003, 07:23 PM	#29 (permalink)
bierslayer Upright	Not this coming election. She needs to develop her political skills in the Senate. I think she's a bright woman but she's not ready for the presidency.

10-20-2003, 06:14 PM	#32 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Rice in 2008! __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-20-2003, 07:27 PM	#33 (permalink)
SofaKing Tilted	Anyone In the primaries I probably won't vote, but when it comes time to choose my next commander in chief i sure as hell will work my tail off to keep the G.O.P. from warmongering and catering to their special interest friends. A woman president would be a nice step forward for our country (although its nothing special, there have been many female PM's in previous years).

10-21-2003, 08:18 PM	#34 (permalink)
Tman144 Tilted	I'd vote for her just to get Bill back in the White House. SSE doesn't work, If you give more money to rich people, they don't spend more than they would have. A tax break isn't going to convince a millionare to buy a new car, he would have bought it anyway. If you give the poor and middle class more money, they will definitly spend it. Giving $100 to 10 lower class people will buy a bigger number of goods than giving $1000 to a person who is already rich.