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I have yet to know someone who has lost any rights because of the PATRIOT Act. My life, along with everyone I've ever known, hasn't changed or been touched at all. I'll bet that the 99% of the time it's criminals being caught and brought to justice. So, what's the problem here? Why are people so eager to protect criminals? There's a simple solution....... Stop doing illegal stuff if that's what you're worried about.
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Just because you don't personally observe an effect does not mean it is non-existant. When trees fall in the forest, they still make sounds....
99%? Wow. We almost never get that kind of luck in any other kind of police work we do. This patriot act must have super-freaking powers. Seriously...that's a made up number, and it doesn't really have a place in reasoned debate. By using it, you advance an ad hominem attack. Anyone who believes the Patriot act is overreaching is protecting criminals. That hinges on one thing. What does the Patriot act do? Does it lawfully help deter criminals, or does it deprive people of their rights? You're speculating that it does the former...but there's some pretty solid evidence presented that it does the latter. Look...i'm all for aprehending criminals and terrorists. But i don't see why i have to trust the government to do that with out judicial oversight, and accountability to me through the press. And i don't see why people can't have lawyers when they face the judical system, or a military tribunal. etc... Does that make me a person who wants to protect criminals? No.... Don't know why you thought you could say it did. |
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If not, then you draw the line somewhere. We're discussing where the line should be drawn. Your holier-than-thou attitude doesn't help the discussion at all. Here's a life that has been affected by the war on terrorism. A year in jail, tortured, no charges filed on him. http://www.canada.com/montreal/montr...C-FC7DD048F33A |
uhh...HR, that's not from patriot. That's in syria. There's enough reasoning to be made against the act with out resorting to excess or hyperbole...
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While this thread has gotten silly, I don't think my sex life would bore anyone watching :)
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Personally, I value freedom and privacy over prosecuting every single criminal. For example, using current technology it is theoretically possible to automatically catch and ticket every speeder, but I don't think that policy is something that most americans want. |
I think we should actually remove any mention of "illegal search and seizure" from the constitution. I mean, hello, if you're not breaking any laws, why would you care if the cops came into your house and just started watching you for no reason? I think everybody should have their own personal surveilance device. Something that the law would require you to wear. All it would do is provide the authorities with your location and a video feed of what you are currently doing. We should just get rid of the concept of privacy all together as it is only boon for criminal activity.
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