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prosequence · 09-29-2003, 05:03 PM

I would like input for the following idea:
In protest to war, everyone opposed to it does not go to work on a specified day (ie Oct.17 no one goes to work).
I guess it would be a "stop work" protest.
Please give me feedback on how this would unfold.

Zeld2.0 · 09-29-2003, 05:05 PM

heh i could say in the older days it would be crush the strike with the military and force em back to work, until the majority changes its mind

now? im sure the message would get across a lot better since the entire economy is so intertwined and connected, and depending on teh size of the people doing it, the government may or may not do anything

Phaenx · 09-29-2003, 10:01 PM

The Iraqi war is more or less over besides a few terrorist attacks every month.

Are you protesting the war on terror? How come you advocate the immolation of innocent children?

Kadath · 09-30-2003, 05:34 AM

Come ON. That would have gotten me edited and warned in a second. I am TIRED of TFP's obvious right-wing bias!

reconmike · 09-30-2003, 06:53 AM

I think it is great!

I hope it is on a Monday, less traffic during my commute.

Then on the following Monday you can protest global warming,
then save the whales, then welfare needs more money, then the need for socialized health care.
Please make sure it is on a monday though,

I am sure you can find 52 reasons to protest.

Conclamo Ludus · 09-30-2003, 07:20 AM

Why not every day, it would free up some jobs and help unemployment rates go down.

mml · 09-30-2003, 07:31 AM

You all go right ahead, I am looking for a new job, and need to see some more openings! Just kidding. I usually am for a little rebellion and protest, but I don't think this would have much of an effect on the Bush administration - they are pretty set in their ways - and really would only hurt the economy, something none of us can afford. Plus I think most Americans would not go along with it and would in fact disapprove, thus helping the Bush Administration and the war movement. Just my opinion.

mml · 09-30-2003, 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by Kadath
Come ON. That would have gotten me edited and warned in a second. I am TIRED of TFP's obvious right-wing bias!

Kadath,

Take a chill pill. I usually agree with you, but I bash conservatives and the Bush admininstration daily and have never been edited or warned. Yeah there are a number of conservative moderators, but the bulk of posters seem to be more liberal. Take it easy and keep posting the truth, we will win out in the end. Good always wins out in the end.

Conclamo Ludus · 09-30-2003, 07:47 AM

Its like the "When did you stop beating your wife?" question that floats around when somebody defends fox news. Silly.

Kadath · 09-30-2003, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mml
Kadath,

Take a chill pill. I usually agree with you, but I bash conservatives and the Bush admininstration daily and have never been edited or warned. Yeah there are a number of conservative moderators, but the bulk of posters seem to be more liberal. Take it easy and keep posting the truth, we will win out in the end. Good always wins out in the end.

The smiley at the end was intended to show that the whole thing was tongue-in-cheek. But thanks for the support, my brother.

eple · 09-30-2003, 08:41 AM

in countries with some civil rights left, we call them "strikes"

seretogis · 09-30-2003, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by eple
in countries with some civil rights left, we call them "strikes"

Why, hello there!

prosequence · 10-01-2003, 02:58 AM

Some of you guys are missing the point. I used the war as an example, I'm looking for input as to how it would affect the economy and state. Would a day of shut down be enough to pressure the government into doing what the people want? What aspects would hurt companies, who will really be hurt most by it? etc etc.....

bonbonbox · 10-01-2003, 09:45 AM

It would not pressure government at all. You got bills to pay, your going to work. Today matters industries would be hurt if it happened most. Newspapers gotta go out today. Bakeries gotta bake today. You get the picture.

seretogis · 10-01-2003, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by prosequence
Some of you guys are missing the point. I used the war as an example, I'm looking for input as to how it would affect the economy and state. Would a day of shut down be enough to pressure the government into doing what the people want? What aspects would hurt companies, who will really be hurt most by it? etc etc.....

Well, first off, it is very unlikely that you would be able to get a large enough number of people who would feel comfortable employment-wise and money-wise "skipping" a day of work, that it would even register as a blip on the radar of politicians you are trying to make a point to. It's honestly not a very realistic form of protest, if you expect any sort of media coverage necessary to influence politicians.

WhoaitsZ · 10-01-2003, 05:29 PM

juvenile is what I think of if this were a real possibility.

I am 100% for protesting if you have a reason, but all this would do is hurt people all over. the only good is if i were boss of a large group of these absentees, at which point I'd fire everyone and process new jobs for the people who want to work.

kandayin · 10-01-2003, 07:34 PM

As a french, I can speak of strikes, we're like world champions of strikes.

Of course our situation is very different from yours but what I have experienced is that if the unions/lobbies aren't on strike as well, it effects nothing, and even if they are it doesn't automatically pays off.

In France we've got many public service as you know, that means that people can't get fired basically. Therefore they are more likely to go on strike. Now last year we've had about 50% of the teachers punctually on strike for 5 months, that means that they would go on strike about once every 2 weeks, go down the streets and demonstrate, around 500000 every 2 weeks.
Along them were some transport employees also punctually, they were there for different reasons though, teachers were there because our education system is fucked up, and the others were there because of the pension reform.So we had peaks around 1 million people demonstarting, that lasted 1 month and a half, with weekly demonstration. Unions were also in there.

Anyway it led to nothing.

On the other hand, in 1995 we had a general strikefor about 3 weeks, that means 60% of the people were not going to work, and we had 3 to 4 millions people demonstrating daily for 3 weeks, blocking roads and railways and ports and airports.
The prime minister got dismissed and his projects cancelled, can't remember what it was about though.

There you go, anyway unless it's something along the vietnam war line, I don't think going on strike in the US would be effective, at least not with Bush, and not with the unemployment rate you are having.

But I may be wrong, our governments are quite used to seeing the people on strike in France, not like yours, a strike may have a greater impact whilst being less important in the US.

fishin · 10-01-2003, 07:38 PM

The French went on strike for the war in Iraq too. It didn't effect anything but their own economy.

kandayin · 10-01-2003, 07:43 PM

Exactly, but I think we assume the fact that just like you do, we can sacrifice a share of our economy to defend our ideas.

Tophat665 · 10-01-2003, 08:00 PM

IT's a good question, but unaswerable because it appears if you can get any significant fraction of this country to believe anything, you will also get an equal fraction to believe that you are going to Hell.

Phaenx · 10-01-2003, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mml
Kadath,

Take a chill pill. I usually agree with you, but I bash conservatives and the Bush admininstration daily and have never been edited or warned. Yeah there are a number of conservative moderators, but the bulk of posters seem to be more liberal. Take it easy and keep posting the truth, we will win out in the end. Good always wins out in the end.

Oh, but the side of good moral upright citizens is the right! We may have our own crazy redneck nutjobs, but at least we don't have a NAMBLA supporting ACLU

.

almostaugust · 10-01-2003, 09:46 PM

Yeah, id be up for that strike. I remeber when the US decided to go to 'war' with Iraq, the massive unprecendented outpouring of protest on the streets of the whole world. I sincerely thought that with over a million marchers in London alone, the people's voice could be heard. No dice.

09-29-2003, 05:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
prosequence Psycho Location: YOUR MOM!!	Need your brain I would like input for the following idea: In protest to war, everyone opposed to it does not go to work on a specified day (ie Oct.17 no one goes to work). I guess it would be a "stop work" protest. Please give me feedback on how this would unfold. __________________ And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson, because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed...

09-29-2003, 10:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	The Iraqi war is more or less over besides a few terrorist attacks every month. Are you protesting the war on terror? How come you advocate the immolation of innocent children? __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

09-30-2003, 05:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	Come ON. That would have gotten me edited and warned in a second. I am TIRED of TFP's obvious right-wing bias! __________________ it's quiet in here

09-30-2003, 06:53 AM	#5 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	I think it is great! I hope it is on a Monday, less traffic during my commute. Then on the following Monday you can protest global warming, then save the whales, then welfare needs more money, then the need for socialized health care. Please make sure it is on a monday though, I am sure you can find 52 reasons to protest. __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him?

09-30-2003, 07:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	Why not every day, it would free up some jobs and help unemployment rates go down. __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

09-29-2003, 05:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	heh i could say in the older days it would be crush the strike with the military and force em back to work, until the majority changes its mind now? im sure the message would get across a lot better since the entire economy is so intertwined and connected, and depending on teh size of the people doing it, the government may or may not do anything

09-30-2003, 07:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	You all go right ahead, I am looking for a new job, and need to see some more openings! Just kidding. I usually am for a little rebellion and protest, but I don't think this would have much of an effect on the Bush administration - they are pretty set in their ways - and really would only hurt the economy, something none of us can afford. Plus I think most Americans would not go along with it and would in fact disapprove, thus helping the Bush Administration and the war movement. Just my opinion. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams

09-30-2003, 07:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	Its like the "When did you stop beating your wife?" question that floats around when somebody defends fox news. Silly. __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

09-30-2003, 08:41 AM	#11 (permalink)
eple Banned Location: norway	in countries with some civil rights left, we call them "strikes"

10-01-2003, 02:58 AM	#13 (permalink)
prosequence Psycho Location: YOUR MOM!!	Some of you guys are missing the point. I used the war as an example, I'm looking for input as to how it would affect the economy and state. Would a day of shut down be enough to pressure the government into doing what the people want? What aspects would hurt companies, who will really be hurt most by it? etc etc..... __________________ And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson, because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed...

10-01-2003, 09:45 AM	#14 (permalink)
bonbonbox Banned	It would not pressure government at all. You got bills to pay, your going to work. Today matters industries would be hurt if it happened most. Newspapers gotta go out today. Bakeries gotta bake today. You get the picture.

10-01-2003, 05:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	juvenile is what I think of if this were a real possibility. I am 100% for protesting if you have a reason, but all this would do is hurt people all over. the only good is if i were boss of a large group of these absentees, at which point I'd fire everyone and process new jobs for the people who want to work.

10-01-2003, 07:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
kandayin Upright	As a french, I can speak of strikes, we're like world champions of strikes. Of course our situation is very different from yours but what I have experienced is that if the unions/lobbies aren't on strike as well, it effects nothing, and even if they are it doesn't automatically pays off. In France we've got many public service as you know, that means that people can't get fired basically. Therefore they are more likely to go on strike. Now last year we've had about 50% of the teachers punctually on strike for 5 months, that means that they would go on strike about once every 2 weeks, go down the streets and demonstrate, around 500000 every 2 weeks. Along them were some transport employees also punctually, they were there for different reasons though, teachers were there because our education system is fucked up, and the others were there because of the pension reform.So we had peaks around 1 million people demonstarting, that lasted 1 month and a half, with weekly demonstration. Unions were also in there. Anyway it led to nothing. On the other hand, in 1995 we had a general strikefor about 3 weeks, that means 60% of the people were not going to work, and we had 3 to 4 millions people demonstrating daily for 3 weeks, blocking roads and railways and ports and airports. The prime minister got dismissed and his projects cancelled, can't remember what it was about though. There you go, anyway unless it's something along the vietnam war line, I don't think going on strike in the US would be effective, at least not with Bush, and not with the unemployment rate you are having. But I may be wrong, our governments are quite used to seeing the people on strike in France, not like yours, a strike may have a greater impact whilst being less important in the US.

10-01-2003, 07:38 PM	#18 (permalink)
fishin Crazy	The French went on strike for the war in Iraq too. It didn't effect anything but their own economy.

10-01-2003, 07:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
kandayin Upright	Exactly, but I think we assume the fact that just like you do, we can sacrifice a share of our economy to defend our ideas.

10-01-2003, 08:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
Tophat665 Minion of the scaléd ones Location: Northeast Jesusland	IT's a good question, but unaswerable because it appears if you can get any significant fraction of this country to believe anything, you will also get an equal fraction to believe that you are going to Hell. __________________ Light a man a fire, and he will be warm while it burns. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

10-01-2003, 09:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
almostaugust Junkie Location: Oz	Yeah, id be up for that strike. I remeber when the US decided to go to 'war' with Iraq, the massive unprecendented outpouring of protest on the streets of the whole world. I sincerely thought that with over a million marchers in London alone, the people's voice could be heard. No dice. __________________ 'And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe Maybe this year will be better than the last I can't remember all the times I tried to tell my myself To hold on to these moments as they pass'