Mojo_PeiPei |
09-21-2003 09:04 PM |
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Originally posted by Food Eater Lad
[B]And again, you are ignoring the fact that 780,000 people were displaced in the formation of the nation of israel.
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DUDE!!! Seriously you are way off base here. THe census of Israel in 1948 Put the population of the partitioned state at a little over 800,000... 150,000 were non-jewish. The 800,000 refugee's didn't show up until the Arab armies told them to get out!
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You ignored this three times when I asked. Was the area of Israel empty when the future israelis showed up? What happened to the natives? They were forced out. Do you blame Indians for fighting the Americans?
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No one has ignored this, you are ignoring all the responses from myself and Popo. Aso Jews didn't magically fabricate in 1948 they had been living in the area known as Palestine for hundreds of years. More started showing up when the Zionist movement began in the latter half of the 19th century.
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Again, why have you neglected to answer me about The English's promise to give the people in the levant a homeland called Palastine? Why do you honor the English claim to Israel and not the claim to Palastine?
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The English didn't know what to do, thats why they handed the situation over to the U.N.
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Why did you not denouce the Israel terrorism and Assassination as commited bey Began and his people in the fifties?
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Terrorism is Terrorism, Terrorism is wrong. Nobody will refute that.
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Why do you take the erronious stance that the natives of a people have no claim to a land? I am not talking about Saudi Arabia or any other country. I am talking about people that have lived in Palastine since Roman rule? Why do you discount them?
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They forfeit that claim to land when they leave of their own accord. As far as the West Bank and Gaza go they were never "Palestinian" lands they were both controlled by outside soverign nations. Notice how Israel hasn't annexed the West Bank and they how many of its inhabitants retain there Jordanian citizenship???
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The answer to all my questions is that you dont care. To you, god has given Israel to Israelis. This is an unsuportable claim. This is a scary claim. This claim has as much vallidity to it as any other religous claim. Why is this claim to be taked seriously, but all other claims to be ignored?
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THe U.N. gave Israel to the Israeli's. The Arab's fucked up by starting a fight that they could not finish. For better or worse this became the reality in 1948.
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And througout all of this NOT ONE NATIVE TO PALASTINE WAS ASKED WHAT HE THOUGHT. Palastine was not a UN member so how could the UN have voted to give away any land that they didnt have any representatives to give that vote any authority. 780,000 people were forced out at gunpoint. Not one was ever asked, or paid for their land.
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Palestine didn't have a say in the matter? Again a completely offbase assumption on your part. Israel wasn't a state at before 1948 its not like they were a member. U.N. envoys were sent to British controlled "Palestine" to figure out the situation their idea's where either 1) Partition or 2)intergration (Palestinians rejecting #1 Jews #2)
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Jewish people can not come back to a land that they didnt own. I think the time limit is up after 2000 years dont you? Or does Rome still own France and England? The bottom line is this, invaders came and killed and forced people out. So if I find your address, can I come and kill your family and move into your place? I mean, might makes right, right?
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Are you so naive to just assume that Jews magically showed up during the 1940's??? The Zionist movement had been going on for nearly 70 years at this point. Further Israel didn't invade shit! They were attacked by 5 regular armies and won, then they took gains, but they didn't begin to extend their boundaries until 1956 and they further in 1967.
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