prosequence

I live in a country where it's illegal to kill a convicted criminal but ok to slaughter an innocent child.

They also make you wear a seatbelt or suffer a fine, but allow people to smoke causing themselves and others cancer.

In the words of Goldmember..... "Ishn't dat veird?"

j8ear

what country is that?

Is abortion really slaughtering an innocent child? (title/sentence extrapolated).

-bear

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prosequence

Canada... and yes....unless you would rather use words such as kill, terminate, extinguish, assisted suicide.... (check thesaurus for other uses)

smooth

Do you believe in Christianity?

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prosequence

No, I go right for the source, I believe in God.

What are some of your hobbies?

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j8ear

Assisted suicide? hmm.

Not the act, the victim. Is someone aborted really an innocent child, or is it an innocent fetus, is it even innocent?

That's what I was asking about.

-b

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*going to start a count on abortion threads*

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prosequence

Oh, I thought your were offended by my choice of wording. I suppose it comes down to.... put yourself in the position of the doctor, could you yourself destroy the fetus?
That, and of course whether you're grateful that it wasn't done to you.

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Mojo_PeiPei

FYI Fetus is Greek (latin is prolly what I am thinking) for little or innocent one, so using the term to try and strip an unborn child of its humanity is ridiculous.

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j8ear

ps...not at all. Would I, I really hope not. Could I, probably not.

mpp...I didn't try and strip anything. honestly.

L...how many off the top o yo 'ead?

-b

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smooth

me too.

AFAIK, most mainstream Christian denominations believe in original sin.

reconmike

When the little person can survive on their own, outside the womb, then it is murder.

Before this point it is a zygote, needing the host to survive.

If the host decides to terminate the zygote, so be it.

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BigGov

I hate abortion, I hate the thought of it, I hate the idea of it.

Now back to reality.

I'm not a woman, so it's really none of my damn business.

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The_Dude

i agree with you for once...wow.

we kill a lot of other living things at a stage much farther than the zygote.

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HeAtHeN

Hey feel free to not wear your seltbelt. As for smoking... most places in Canada are now smoke free, or have an enclosed smoking area. Plus smokers pay more taxes, so its not all bad

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TheKak

Its people's choice to smoke. They government doesnt need to stop everything that people would choose to do that is bad for them. Im also pro-choice when it comes to abortion. We kill many many animals that are far past the stage of a fetus being aborted, do you feel bad for them too? Maybe Im just cold hearted, but I really dont care about other people's choice to have a child aborted. Some children SHOULD be aborted, because their parents wont be able to support them (IE on wellfare sucking my tax dollars away), and they are going to end up as fucked up people who dont contribute to society anyway, or probably in jail wasting my tax dollars. Death is a much better choice than a lifetime of suffering.

As for assisted suicide, Im all for it. If people want to die that bad, then fuck it, let them die. We are overpopulated anyway.

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Zargix

I'd say before we worry about abortion, stop all wars. I don't see the big deal about killing a few fetuses, wen so many people die all the time in wars.

The_Dude

especially innocent civilians.

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Gortexfogg

Most of the laws the government has to keep you "safe" have two reasons for being:

1) The people (voters) like to be safe, their representatives pass legislation to keep them safe (police, ect.)

2)The government collects taxes from people. The safer these people are, the longer they live and the more taxes they are likely to pay.

HeadyIncognito

I think abortion is something women need to sort out. I am pro choice, but it is not my (or any other guy's) choice to make. It should be up to each individual woman to make her own choices.

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Xell101

Once it gets past that 'lump of stem cells' stage, I think abortion is wrong, but in various situations can be justified.

prosequence

Lots of great input folks, I appreciate it. I still think it's wonky (My orriginal post) that they legislate and initiate programs that contradict each other ..... makes you wonder;
What if they just say no, and close tobacco plants
People drive without seatbelts with no consequence.
We let new life grow and kill those who have proven themselves worthless.
What if we rely on human kindness and common sense to fund social programs instead of excessive taxation....
Just a thought.

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snicka

I agree with reconmike, when the parasite can survive outside the host, then it should be afforded separate entity status. Until then it is a growth and excising it is no more murder than removing a tumor.

I can see the reason behind forcing drivers to wear seatbelts, it costs the government money to scrape people off the pavement, not to mention how it screws up traffic. And in a socialized health care system like canada, it does cost the government money to deal with peoples tobacco related illnesses.

TheKak

They could fry aborted fetuses (not sure on correct plural use here!) and feed the homeless! 2 birds with one stone!

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prosequence

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Kadath

And if someone kicks down your fence and installs said tree against your protestations? Way to oversimplify.

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prosequence

"The medical emergency and rape and incest exceptions would amount to less than 1% of abortions."
Canadian Gallup Poll (Nov. 2002)

Actually surprised myself with the above stat, had a feeling, but didn't know the facts, but now that I do....

If someone kicks your fence down, do what is in your best interest, may I suggest finding the fence kicker and castrating him, or maybe a little CAPITAL punishment.... gotta love CAPITAL punishment..... yep.... good stuff......

Kadath

Yeah, because vengeance will do anything about the child born of hatred festering in your womb, not to mention the psychological injury...
As for your statistics, they refer to Canada, and it's a POLL, not a case study. So I'm less impressed than I could be.

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prosequence

Less impressed than you could be but more impressed than you should be?
When I get a chance I'll do some more hunting for info maybe I can shed some more light on it.....
In the mean time, there's very little wrong with vengeance, it's human nature, I know if my fence were kicked down I would be looking for a little more than having our justice system give him/her several months or a couple of years....

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Kadath

Mmm.
All I'm saying is this: The common male reaction of wanting to kick in the head of the rapist generally isn't serving the victim, but the man himself.

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prosequence

Yeah, I can see your point, but from a male point of view...there's not a lot of other avenues to go down.

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neddy65

Prosequence, I told you this thread would get a lot of use, and I for 1 am happy with the diversity of response. As to the issue, I am against abortion and would not be a party to it (except in the cases brought up ealier) but I do agree with a woman's right to choose. I cannot justify this position and realize i am sitting on some kind of fence but that is how it is.

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prosequence

OK.... here's something a friend brought up reading over my shoulder...
(Before going on I do realise that this would be extremely rare)
What if a woman was to rape a man or steal his sperm... would he have the right to have the baby aborted ?? Should he ??

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Nizzle

It's amazing how many men, who are unable to bring life into the world (short of the contribution of DNA), have such strong opinions on the nature of unborn children.

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prosequence

Still waiting for some feedback on this... any input folks ?

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Kadath

I can see why no one has touched this, actually. I'd say no, but he shouldn't have to bear any responsibility for paternity, which is to say child support and so forth.

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Darkblack

lol the other day I did it with sixate...get ready folks, I am going to do it agian with reconmike. WHAT IS GOING ON HERE!


I AGREE WITH RECONMIKE!

Darkblack

Yeah, but its my yard. I will plant what I like and when I don't want it there I will dig it up and throw it out. Why? Because it is my yard and none of your damn business what I do in it.


Is it in his body? No. If it dies before birth does it have the chance to kill him also? No. Will he have to suffer through body changes that may be irreversible after carrying the child for 9 1/2 months? No.

Do I need to finish?


Now, on the act of steeling his sperm he can press charges and the woman would probably do jail time.

prosequence

Yes, he can mentally suffer. Which if you ask the courts they validate it.
Seeing that person walking around ... belly getting bigger.... knowing the child inside is yours... ew kinda creepy.

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Markaz

Abortion is GOOD. Think about it, you pay your tax and that goes to everything. Teen mothers often do not parent at ALL to what a ready family can. So the Teen brings up a jackoff kid, that will act out. He goes to jail, I pay more tax to keep him there. No abortion = more jackoffs in jail = more tax. And I hate how much my taxes are!

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