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sixate · 07-28-2003, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by ctembreull
Sixate:

I have one question to ask.

Is this, in fact, your honest opinion?

Serious question, yes-or-no answer.

YES!

sixate · 07-28-2003, 11:44 AM

Something interesting that I just found about the law that applies to this case.

LINKY

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TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 10.

Sec. 10. - Modification of rules and customs by President

Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation

It looks like according to the law he didn't do shit wrong. The law basically says he can do whatever the fuck he wants. So how about we all STFU about this stupid topic....

Superbelt · 07-28-2003, 12:12 PM

And at the very end:

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and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation

Can you forward me a link to this proclamation? Because it has to be a public one to the nation. He can't just change the rules by doing something that violates them.

seretogis · 07-28-2003, 12:21 PM

Flag laws need to be repealed -- if someone is protesting, they should be able to burn, write on, chew and digest, or otherwise manipulate the flag as a symbol of the US.

As for Bush, that was pretty stupid of him. He should have signed their tits instead, like Clinton would have.

Darkblack · 07-28-2003, 12:22 PM

The.Lunatic · 07-28-2003, 01:28 PM

Wow.

Thats all i have to say.

I didn't think he was that bad of an idiot untill now.

This just fucking pisses me off i'm really to pissed off right now to

reply much to this thread. I'm big on flag credo. It angers me when people wear clothing with the american flag on it.

What a fucking douche bag

ctembreull · 07-28-2003, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
YES!

To clarify: You "love to see weak ass ignorant dumb uneducated countries get blown to bits by [your] big badass country."

Nothing personal here, but that's just about as small-minded and jingoistic an opinion as it has ever been my misfortune to come across. I'm quite sure you're a fine fellow and lots of fun at parties, and I'm certainly not about to tell you what to think or why you should think it.

But I do understand now a good part of why I find myself always in a position of having to apologize for my country whenever I'm abroad. And I can only hope that someday, you'll meet someone from or in another country who's bigger than you, stronger than you, and not quite as tolerant as I am.

dmay · 07-28-2003, 09:36 PM

Well heck,there's no women's panties for him to sign.

Gorgo · 07-28-2003, 11:03 PM

[sarcasm]
I can see why Bush signed the flag, he thinks he plays on a sports team called Team America and he's the head coach.
[/sarcasm]

I wonder if he can spell potatoee.

Phaenx · 07-29-2003, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by ctembreull
To clarify: You "love to see weak ass ignorant dumb uneducated countries get blown to bits by [your] big badass country."

Nothing personal here, but that's just about as small-minded and jingoistic an opinion as it has ever been my misfortune to come across. I'm quite sure you're a fine fellow and lots of fun at parties, and I'm certainly not about to tell you what to think or why you should think it.

But I do understand now a good part of why I find myself always in a position of having to apologize for my country whenever I'm abroad. And I can only hope that someday, you'll meet someone from or in another country who's bigger than you, stronger than you, and not quite as tolerant as I am.

Generally, it's bad policy to travel to a country that's hostile to the United States, unless it's France or something, ha cha cha cha cha!

Anyways, I agree with Six in the sense that it was a good idea we invaded ignorant pissant nations such as (but not limited to) Afghanistan and Iraq.

sixate · 07-29-2003, 02:18 AM

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Originally posted by ctembreull
To clarify: You "love to see weak ass ignorant dumb uneducated countries get blown to bits by [your] big badass country."

Nothing personal here, but that's just about as small-minded and jingoistic an opinion as it has ever been my misfortune to come across. I'm quite sure you're a fine fellow and lots of fun at parties, and I'm certainly not about to tell you what to think or why you should think it.

But I do understand now a good part of why I find myself always in a position of having to apologize for my country whenever I'm abroad. And I can only hope that someday, you'll meet someone from or in another country who's bigger than you, stronger than you, and not quite as tolerant as I am.

The funny thing is, you take my comment out of context. It's directed directly at all the countries in the Middle East who support terrorists (I thought I made that clear). Someone needs to take a stand againts them and I'm happy as hell that we are doing that.

2wolves · 07-29-2003, 08:10 AM

Then the U.S. had best stop making these terrorists in the first place.

1. Modern Israel

2. Mujahadeen

3. Saddam

4. Pinochet

5. Uncle Ho

6. bin Laden

The enemy of my enemy is NOT necessarily my friend. Blowback shouldn't suprise us any longer

2Wolves
-bush spits

ctembreull · 07-29-2003, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by sixate
The funny thing is, you take my comment out of context. It's directed directly at all the countries in the Middle East who support terrorists (I thought I made that clear).

You didn't, actually. Your comment came in the context of dropping bombs in general. The Middle East wasn't mentioned. But now that you *do* mention it, I presume then that you also support invading Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Jordan, Palestine, and Israel. Hmm... I don't think I left anyone out. You see, it's not just governments who sponsor and support terror - it's the people, too. In fact, in most cases, the government has nothing to do with it, but terror happens anyway. So are you basically saying that we should reduce all of these countries to so much scorched earth, that we have some capacity to judge who supports terror and who does not? Are you okay with a little collateral damage? Are you cool with seeing women and children, doctors and teachers, artists and musicians put to the sword right alongside the ones who really are bad guys? And how d'you plan to separate the "bad guys," which is a small percentage of the population of the Middle East, from the ones who merely think we as a nation are a collection of walking scum, which is the rest of the population?

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Someone needs to take a stand againts them and I'm happy as hell that we are doing that.

Sounds more to me like someone needs to take a stand against us.

ctembreull · 07-29-2003, 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
Generally, it's bad policy to travel to a country that's hostile to the United States, unless it's France or something, ha cha cha cha cha!

I do travel a fair bit. I always seem to find myself apologizing for being an American. It's not just the Middle East that hates us, dude. It's a very non-trivial portion of the entire freaking world.

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Anyways, I agree with Six in the sense that it was a good idea we invaded ignorant pissant nations such as (but not limited to) Afghanistan and Iraq.

You favor invading someone because they're ignorant, or because they're a "pissant" nation?

The_Dude · 07-29-2003, 09:18 AM

so any country has to right to stand up, aka invade, "ignorant pissant nations"??

smooth · 07-29-2003, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by ctembreull
I do travel a fair bit. I always seem to find myself apologizing for being an American. It's not just the Middle East that hates us, dude. It's a very non-trivial portion of the entire freaking world.

Most of my friends and family say they get a warmer response when they state they are Californians rather than Americans during their travels abroad.

ctembreull · 07-29-2003, 11:38 AM

Smooth:

I'll have to try that.

Mad_Gecko · 08-02-2003, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
The funny thing is, you take my comment out of context. It's directed directly at all the countries in the Middle East who support terrorists (I thought I made that clear). Someone needs to take a stand againts them and I'm happy as hell that we are doing that.

How about taking a stand against the "terrorists" in NI?

Or have they got too many "Special Interest" groups? Enough to ruin the "Special Relations" GB enjoy with the US?

(PS its not that Great).

But, the point of all this is, he defaced the "American Flag" - "Ol' Glory". And if section 2 of article 4 (fictional references) realises that it's ok for the "Executive Officer " to do this and "All Men Are Created Equal", why can't Osama, and Jerry, and Jim, do the same?

EDIT: All damnit, ALL!

debaser · 08-02-2003, 05:29 PM

The law regarding the desecration of the flag was overturned with Texas vs. Johnson (1989). Still, Bush should know better.

Mad_Gecko · 08-02-2003, 05:40 PM

Well, I think that ererytime a media org. gets on TV and depicts a scene of gross negligence towards a US flag they should also show the folowing link... LINK

Sorry my spelling is atrocious, but I was educated in the US.

Phaenx · 08-02-2003, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ctembreull
I do travel a fair bit. I always seem to find myself apologizing for being an American. It's not just the Middle East that hates us, dude. It's a very non-trivial portion of the entire freaking world.

You favor invading someone because they're ignorant, or because they're a "pissant" nation?

I wouldn't worry yourself about it if the world hates us, they hate each other too, always have.

I said I was in favor of invading Afghanistan and Iraq, it's just a coincidence they were ignorant pissant nations.

Ralvek · 08-03-2003, 07:34 AM

That's funny, If a Dem did that it'd be on the news in a heartbeat b/c a Rep. would say it was a crime!! Hilarious!

JumpinJesus · 08-03-2003, 07:36 AM

Quite a heated thread we've got here.

First off, I think Bush is an idiot extraordinaire; second, I could give a shit less what he signed, when he signed it, or if the autograph hound went home and rubbed the ink-stained flag all over his naughty bits.

There is far, far too much going on in this world for us to worry about where the president put a sharpie. The fact that this even made news makes me angry at our media because they chose this story over one which I'm sure carried more importance. This is what we should be angry about, not some factory worker creaming his pants over a misspelled presidential autograph.

Jesus Pimp · 08-03-2003, 03:50 PM

If anyone actually checked out the link, the caption didn't make a fuss out of it at all. Bush is still an idiot though.

xxmsaxx · 08-03-2003, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by JumpinJesus
Quite a heated thread we've got here.

First off, I think Bush is an idiot extraordinaire; second, I could give a shit less ...

I couldn’t agree more. So is it a crime when you look on the flags we buy at Wal-Mart and they have a little "made in china" writing on them? There is far too much wrong with this administration than King GW the II signing flags. It was once said that you should choose your battles wisely and put fight into what needs to be fought for. With all the things going on its kind of disheartening to see people trying to use this as ammo against the Republican Party when there is so much more effective intelligent ammo out there.

cetacean · 08-03-2003, 04:21 PM

Not a bright move. Surprise. I wonder if those American flag thongs crammed up people's asses are in regulation.

Phaenx · 08-03-2003, 05:29 PM

It's not desecration if they're hot.

KINGJOE · 08-03-2003, 05:47 PM

the presidents signature can not be considered defacing, if the pope signed a bible would people be screaming about that

j8ear · 08-03-2003, 07:23 PM

I'm pretty sure it's not a crime to sign a Flag, or fly it at night, or in the rain, or lower it without playing taps at noon...if anything they're guidelines, protocols if you will.

As usual this thread has turned into a battle of protocol violations. Hummers in the Oval office vs. Sharpies ink on a table top center piece. Lying under oath vs. murky intelligence references in a state of the union. Is there any other type of intelligence? Who the fuck wouldn't want a little knob slobbing at the ole office? I do have to question the judgement of his choice of 'moped' though

We've definately got to get a grip on things.

I wonder how the recipient of said autograph felt about it? While he might appreciate the vitriolic and utterly nonsensical references to 'defiling' and 'defacing' of said woven symbol (in this case probably plastic) I doubt he would concur with those two characterizations.

The value of that flag has probably gone through the roof since Bush will likely never sign another one

-b-

j8ear · 08-03-2003, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by KINGJOE
the presidents signature can not be considered defacing, if the pope signed a bible would people be screaming about that

aaaah, what? John Paul/George...Bible/flag? Therefore not defacing? Must have skipped that day in school.

(neat that only ringo is missing, huh?)

Jesus Pimp · 08-04-2003, 06:06 PM

Markaz · 08-04-2003, 11:32 PM

That doesn't even LOOK like bush, good fucking god.

Markaz · 08-04-2003, 11:35 PM

And for any of you who will call me on it, just take a loot at him. His hair looks totally different, style and color. He holds his head differently. What else? His suit looks like a POS old thing, prez gets nice and shiny suits. Obviously, it could be him but I'd doubt it.

Jesus Pimp · 08-06-2003, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Markaz
That doesn't even LOOK like bush, good fucking god.

You don't see the resembalance?

drawerfixer · 08-06-2003, 11:04 PM

I see it!

JumpinJesus · 08-07-2003, 08:00 AM

Jesus Pimp, that's fucking hilarious!

Fallon · 08-14-2003, 08:58 AM

He served in some form of military right? Don't they teach respect for the flag?

mml · 08-15-2003, 08:26 AM

Frankly, it doesn't surprise me that President Bush signed the flag. But he still should be taken to task for it. It doesn't mean he should be impeached and isn't, in itself, a reason not to vote for him. However, anyone who wants to be President of the United States should know better. Even if it was not against the law, I would think that he would consider it disrespectful.

I have also got to say that Republicans have got to get over Clinton. Yes he spanked the Republicans for 8 years and they never seemed to be able to bring him down, no matter how hard they tried. It is amazing to me that the Rep. party is still running against him. It is the same vitriol that many Libs/Dems had for Nixon and they kept running against him and his parties excesses. They successfully ran a Carter who couldn't pull off a second campaign and thus began the Reagan/Bush era.

Actually, on second thought, keep running against Clinton rather that real issues. It might just help the Dems get back into the White House.

07-28-2003, 12:21 PM	#44 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Flag laws need to be repealed -- if someone is protesting, they should be able to burn, write on, chew and digest, or otherwise manipulate the flag as a symbol of the US. As for Bush, that was pretty stupid of him. He should have signed their tits instead, like Clinton would have. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

07-28-2003, 12:22 PM	#45 (permalink)
Darkblack Banned Location: Pennsytuckia	hehe

07-28-2003, 11:03 PM	#49 (permalink)
Gorgo Tilted Location: Tampa Bay, Florida	[sarcasm] I can see why Bush signed the flag, he thinks he plays on a sports team called Team America and he's the head coach. [/sarcasm] I wonder if he can spell potatoee. __________________ Will Code for food . . .

07-29-2003, 09:18 AM	#55 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	so any country has to right to stand up, aka invade, "ignorant pissant nations"?? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-29-2003, 11:38 AM	#57 (permalink)
ctembreull Crazy Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA, Earth	Smooth: I'll have to try that. __________________ Mac "If it's nae Scottish, it's crap!

07-28-2003, 01:28 PM	#46 (permalink)
The.Lunatic Psycho Location: Somewhere just beyond the realm of sanity...	Wow. Thats all i have to say. I didn't think he was that bad of an idiot untill now. This just fucking pisses me off i'm really to pissed off right now to reply much to this thread. I'm big on flag credo. It angers me when people wear clothing with the american flag on it. What a fucking douche bag

07-28-2003, 09:36 PM	#48 (permalink)
dmay Tilted Location: west virginia	Well heck,there's no women's panties for him to sign.

07-29-2003, 08:10 AM	#52 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	Then the U.S. had best stop making these terrorists in the first place. 1. Modern Israel 2. Mujahadeen 3. Saddam 4. Pinochet 5. Uncle Ho 6. bin Laden The enemy of my enemy is NOT necessarily my friend. Blowback shouldn't suprise us any longer 2Wolves -bush spits

08-02-2003, 05:29 PM	#59 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	The law regarding the desecration of the flag was overturned with Texas vs. Johnson (1989). Still, Bush should know better. __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

08-02-2003, 05:40 PM	#60 (permalink)
Mad_Gecko Pro Libertate Location: City Gecko	Well, I think that ererytime a media org. gets on TV and depicts a scene of gross negligence towards a US flag they should also show the folowing link... LINK Sorry my spelling is atrocious, but I was educated in the US. __________________ [color=bright blue]W[/color]e Stick To Glass "If three of us travel together, I shall find two teachers." Confucious

08-03-2003, 07:34 AM	#62 (permalink)
Ralvek Crazy Location: MN	That's funny, If a Dem did that it'd be on the news in a heartbeat b/c a Rep. would say it was a crime!! Hilarious! __________________ Ban country music, it promotes inbreeding.

08-03-2003, 07:36 AM	#63 (permalink)
JumpinJesus Junkie Location: Chicago	Quite a heated thread we've got here. First off, I think Bush is an idiot extraordinaire; second, I could give a shit less what he signed, when he signed it, or if the autograph hound went home and rubbed the ink-stained flag all over his naughty bits. There is far, far too much going on in this world for us to worry about where the president put a sharpie. The fact that this even made news makes me angry at our media because they chose this story over one which I'm sure carried more importance. This is what we should be angry about, not some factory worker creaming his pants over a misspelled presidential autograph. __________________ "I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am" - Cormac McCarthy, All The Pretty Horses

08-03-2003, 03:50 PM	#64 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	If anyone actually checked out the link, the caption didn't make a fuss out of it at all. Bush is still an idiot though. __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.

08-03-2003, 04:21 PM	#66 (permalink)
cetacean Insane Location: New York, NY	Not a bright move. Surprise. I wonder if those American flag thongs crammed up people's asses are in regulation.

08-03-2003, 05:29 PM	#67 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	It's not desecration if they're hot. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

08-03-2003, 05:47 PM	#68 (permalink)
KINGJOE Upright	the presidents signature can not be considered defacing, if the pope signed a bible would people be screaming about that

08-03-2003, 07:23 PM	#69 (permalink)
j8ear Gentlemen Farmer Location: Middle of nowhere, Jersey	I'm pretty sure it's not a crime to sign a Flag, or fly it at night, or in the rain, or lower it without playing taps at noon...if anything they're guidelines, protocols if you will. As usual this thread has turned into a battle of protocol violations. Hummers in the Oval office vs. Sharpies ink on a table top center piece. Lying under oath vs. murky intelligence references in a state of the union. Is there any other type of intelligence? Who the fuck wouldn't want a little knob slobbing at the ole office? I do have to question the judgement of his choice of 'moped' though We've definately got to get a grip on things. I wonder how the recipient of said autograph felt about it? While he might appreciate the vitriolic and utterly nonsensical references to 'defiling' and 'defacing' of said woven symbol (in this case probably plastic) I doubt he would concur with those two characterizations. The value of that flag has probably gone through the roof since Bush will likely never sign another one -b- __________________ It's alot easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission.

08-04-2003, 06:06 PM	#71 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	__________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.

08-04-2003, 11:32 PM	#72 (permalink)
Markaz Tilted	That doesn't even LOOK like bush, good fucking god. __________________ Tu madre está muy sabrosa

08-04-2003, 11:35 PM	#73 (permalink)
Markaz Tilted	And for any of you who will call me on it, just take a loot at him. His hair looks totally different, style and color. He holds his head differently. What else? His suit looks like a POS old thing, prez gets nice and shiny suits. Obviously, it could be him but I'd doubt it. __________________ Tu madre está muy sabrosa

08-06-2003, 11:04 PM	#75 (permalink)
drawerfixer Stonerific Location: Colorado	I see it! __________________ They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

08-07-2003, 08:00 AM	#76 (permalink)
JumpinJesus Junkie Location: Chicago	Jesus Pimp, that's fucking hilarious! __________________ "I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am" - Cormac McCarthy, All The Pretty Horses

08-14-2003, 08:58 AM	#77 (permalink)
Fallon Junkie Location: RI	He served in some form of military right? Don't they teach respect for the flag?

08-15-2003, 08:26 AM	#78 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	Frankly, it doesn't surprise me that President Bush signed the flag. But he still should be taken to task for it. It doesn't mean he should be impeached and isn't, in itself, a reason not to vote for him. However, anyone who wants to be President of the United States should know better. Even if it was not against the law, I would think that he would consider it disrespectful. I have also got to say that Republicans have got to get over Clinton. Yes he spanked the Republicans for 8 years and they never seemed to be able to bring him down, no matter how hard they tried. It is amazing to me that the Rep. party is still running against him. It is the same vitriol that many Libs/Dems had for Nixon and they kept running against him and his parties excesses. They successfully ran a Carter who couldn't pull off a second campaign and thus began the Reagan/Bush era. Actually, on second thought, keep running against Clinton rather that real issues. It might just help the Dems get back into the White House. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams