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jewbag · 07-23-2003, 02:24 PM

discuss

inkriminator · 07-23-2003, 03:00 PM

Jesus was a socialist if anything. As for political views?

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s

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Matthew 22:15-22

The_Dude · 07-23-2003, 03:01 PM

i dont know much about christian mythology or theology or whatever.

so can somebody plz enlighten me w/ examples?

jewbag · 07-23-2003, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by inkriminator
Jesus was a socialist if anything. As for political views?

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s

More at...

Matthew 22:15-22

Karl Marx said that the Socialist Party was that of the petty bourgeoisie, while the communist party was that of the people themselves.

Although its hard to pin upon Communism or Socialism good descriptions.

Ceasar was a cunt anyways, Just like most all Roman Leaders. except for a few of course. The reason was, of course, that they had no income, so they had to make laws that would give them lots of extra money when they were in power.

& The_Dude: I know mostly just waht I've heard in church and from some intellectual types ive had long conversations with, so my knowledge on christian mythology probably marginally differs from yours anyways.

Read the lyrics to "Ballad of the Carpenter" by Phil Ochs for some about it. If you're particularly interested in it, you might want to pick up a copy of "The Socialist Tradition: From Moses to Lenin" at your library. The author is pretty right / moderate and doesnt agree with most of the people he writes abotu in the book, but treats them pretty fairly still.

archer2371 · 07-23-2003, 05:34 PM

Hmmm, I don't think that Jesus was a communist OR a socialist. To me, he is devoid of a political party, He simply is. If you want to determine for yourself what Jesus was, go directly to the source, The Holy Bible, King James Version, or New KJV, those are the most complete and most perfect translations of the Bible. That's all I can say, you have to decide for yourself.

TawG · 07-23-2003, 05:36 PM

well jesus did have certain socialistic values

hobo · 07-23-2003, 05:49 PM

jesus was a socialist, if not communist. did he not belive in sharing and helping everyone, especially the poor? did he not want people to be treated more equally?

I'm not sure about this, but I've always thought that big corporations were somehow against the bible or christianity or something, I know i heard it somewhere but i forget where. could someone explain that to me? or clarify what i can only vaguely remember?

archer2371 · 07-23-2003, 06:06 PM

Hmm, but God also says that poverty is a curse, He wishes for us all to have nothing but blessings. Yet, what most people don't realize is that the three branch system of government was laid out in the book of Elijah. Jesus did believe in helping people, He also believes that people should be wealthy (not only financially, but spiritually and physically). The reason why I say He is devoid of a political party is because He never advocated a particular system of government. Also, I don't think He would advocate Socialism or Communism, knowing fully well that man is a sinful being and that someone will be tempted with acquiring power and retaining it for himself for a long time. That's why I think the way I do about Jesus.

inkriminator · 07-23-2003, 07:43 PM

When I gave that quote about leaving unto Caesar's Caesar's, that is what I meant, that Jesus was not interested in the politics of his time. He was interested in social concerns, like everyone having food and being taken care of to some extent, which would make him a socialist.

archer2371 · 07-23-2003, 08:08 PM

Well, I have worked at a soup kitchen before, does that make me a socialist?

Pennington · 07-23-2003, 10:57 PM

I can only say one thing about Jesus' political beliefs: He was a monarchist. Ask yourself this, who elected Jesus to be the King of Kings? I sure as hell didn't vote for him. Divine right anybody?

Phaenx · 07-23-2003, 11:02 PM

We totally voted, you were at work.

dmay · 07-24-2003, 06:32 PM

Jesue Is. That say's it all.

debaser · 07-24-2003, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by Pennington
I can only say one thing about Jesus' political beliefs: He was a monarchist. Ask yourself this, who elected Jesus to be the King of Kings? I sure as hell didn't vote for him. Divine right anybody?

"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!"

archer2371 · 07-25-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by debaser
"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!"

Ah, man, what movie is that from I can't remember, great quote by the way.

Pennington · 07-25-2003, 01:23 AM

DENNIS:
Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no
basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power
derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical
aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR:
Be quiet!
DENNIS:
Well, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power
just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR:
Shut up!
DENNIS:
I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because
some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me
away!
ARTHUR:
Shut up, will you? Shut up!
DENNIS:
Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR:
Shut up!
DENNIS:
Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help!
Help! I'm being repressed!

Pennington · 07-25-2003, 01:25 AM

Monty Python and the Holy Grail if you were still wondering

almostaugust · 07-25-2003, 03:42 AM

"Jesus was a hippy. He had long hair and didnt have a job, what more do you want"- from Red dwarf

Same Guy · 07-25-2003, 06:42 AM

a camel has to fit through the eye of a needle before a rich man can get into heaven,
so yes,
i'll agree to that

Nowlookit · 07-25-2003, 09:06 AM

To me, Jesu Christae was apolitical. The hebrews in the Old testament organized themselves in a socialist fashion, whereby every tribe had a function, and within that tribe an hierarchy existed, and every member had a distinct, well-defined function. J.C. didn't espouse any political views, as I recall.

archer2371 · 07-25-2003, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Same Guy
a camel has to fit through the eye of a needle before a rich man can get into heaven,
so yes,
i'll agree to that

But with God ALL things are possible.

MikeyChalupa · 07-25-2003, 09:56 AM

Reminds me of something scary I heard on VeggieTales. Bob and Larry are wrapping up the Dave and the Giant Pickle show (David and Goliath) and explaining the moral and the verse that applies.

Bob: With God, all things are possible. (Mark 10:27)
Larry: Well, I’ve always wanted to be a chicken, does that mean God can make me a chicken?
Bob: No, it doesn't work that way. It means whatever God wants us to do, we can do!

If I could only teach my children ONE THING in this life, it's to be VERY careful about ANYBODY telling you that "God wants" something.

-Mikey

2wolves · 07-26-2003, 08:08 AM

From what records that still exist early followers of the Nazarene carpenter were very socialist. Pooling funds, communes, with the radical (for it's day) place of honor of women in the movement.

That lasted until they were no longer an impoverished cult, then the big business aspects kicked in and it went straight to hell so to speak.

2Wolves

spoonbill · 07-26-2003, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jewbag
Ceasar was a cunt anyways, Just like most all Roman Leaders. except for a few of course. The reason was, of course, that they had no income, so they had to make laws that would give them lots of extra money when they were in power.

Huh? Have you actually studied any Roman history or prefer to rely upon TNT movies of the week?

Sheesh!

spoonbill · 07-26-2003, 09:31 AM

Everyone else should read <u>Holy Blood, Holy Grail</u> for a perspective on Jesus' political views.

Stiltzkin · 07-26-2003, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jewbag

Jesus was a communist

discuss

Whoa crap, you honestly scared me. You're not my dad, are you? I thought my dad was the first person to think this up. Only his version is "Jesus was the first communist."

All I can say is that there is far too much propaganda surrounding this issue, and what is "true" has become so badly distorted over the years that basically anything that anyone says... is umm... well just don't go around shoving your biased beliefs into anyone's throats, please. Anyways, I'd have to agree. Yes, he was a communist.

thedrake · 07-27-2003, 10:57 AM

Jesus was a spirutual person, he had no political ties to anyone and the only ties he had to was God and the people.

spoonbill · 07-27-2003, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by thedrake
Jesus was a spirutual person, he had no political ties to anyone and the only ties he had to was God and the people.

That's just a little too simple a statement of the facts, <b>thedrake</b>. And, by facts, I mean historical evidence, including, but not limited to, the New Testament.

No man of those times would have embarked upon such a movement without political ties or a political agenda. Jesus' was the overthrow of the illegitimate, Roman, puppet government, led by the Herod's.

Jesus claimed to be the true heir to the throne of the Jewish state via his blood ties to King David, and wanted to move toward a reconciliation of that idea with Rome. Thus, his policy of "give unto Ceasar, what is Caesar's." Clever way to hopefully calm the powers-that-be in Rome.

In the end, all I'm saying is that, like any good political movement, their has to be a social aspect that appeals to the masses. Jesus' social policies, which I believe were heartfelt, ended up becoming the Christian sect after his murder at the hands of local, powerful, Jewish opponents.

Now some believe this crucifixion was staged, but that's a whole 'nuther can of worms.

guthmund · 07-27-2003, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by archer2371
Well, I have worked at a soup kitchen before, does that make me a socialist?

*makes cross with fingers.....

ACKKKKK! SOCIALIST?!?! GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN.....or something......

07-23-2003, 02:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
jewbag Upright	Jesus was a communist discuss

07-23-2003, 03:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	i dont know much about christian mythology or theology or whatever. so can somebody plz enlighten me w/ examples? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-23-2003, 05:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	Hmmm, I don't think that Jesus was a communist OR a socialist. To me, he is devoid of a political party, He simply is. If you want to determine for yourself what Jesus was, go directly to the source, The Holy Bible, King James Version, or New KJV, those are the most complete and most perfect translations of the Bible. That's all I can say, you have to decide for yourself. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

07-23-2003, 06:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	Hmm, but God also says that poverty is a curse, He wishes for us all to have nothing but blessings. Yet, what most people don't realize is that the three branch system of government was laid out in the book of Elijah. Jesus did believe in helping people, He also believes that people should be wealthy (not only financially, but spiritually and physically). The reason why I say He is devoid of a political party is because He never advocated a particular system of government. Also, I don't think He would advocate Socialism or Communism, knowing fully well that man is a sinful being and that someone will be tempted with acquiring power and retaining it for himself for a long time. That's why I think the way I do about Jesus. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

07-23-2003, 08:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	Well, I have worked at a soup kitchen before, does that make me a socialist? __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

07-23-2003, 03:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
inkriminator Insane	Jesus was a socialist if anything. As for political views? Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s More at... Matthew 22:15-22

07-23-2003, 05:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
TawG Crazy	well jesus did have certain socialistic values

07-23-2003, 05:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
hobo Archangel of Change	jesus was a socialist, if not communist. did he not belive in sharing and helping everyone, especially the poor? did he not want people to be treated more equally? I'm not sure about this, but I've always thought that big corporations were somehow against the bible or christianity or something, I know i heard it somewhere but i forget where. could someone explain that to me? or clarify what i can only vaguely remember?

07-23-2003, 07:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
inkriminator Insane	When I gave that quote about leaving unto Caesar's Caesar's, that is what I meant, that Jesus was not interested in the politics of his time. He was interested in social concerns, like everyone having food and being taken care of to some extent, which would make him a socialist.

07-23-2003, 10:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
Pennington Banned Location: Autonomous Zone	I can only say one thing about Jesus' political beliefs: He was a monarchist. Ask yourself this, who elected Jesus to be the King of Kings? I sure as hell didn't vote for him. Divine right anybody?

07-23-2003, 11:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	We totally voted, you were at work. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-24-2003, 06:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
dmay Tilted Location: west virginia	Jesue Is. That say's it all.

07-25-2003, 01:23 AM	#16 (permalink)
Pennington Banned Location: Autonomous Zone	DENNIS: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. ARTHUR: Be quiet! DENNIS: Well, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you! ARTHUR: Shut up! DENNIS: I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away! ARTHUR: Shut up, will you? Shut up! DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. ARTHUR: Shut up! DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

07-25-2003, 01:25 AM	#17 (permalink)
Pennington Banned Location: Autonomous Zone	Monty Python and the Holy Grail if you were still wondering

07-25-2003, 03:42 AM	#18 (permalink)
almostaugust Junkie Location: Oz	"Jesus was a hippy. He had long hair and didnt have a job, what more do you want"- from Red dwarf __________________ 'And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe Maybe this year will be better than the last I can't remember all the times I tried to tell my myself To hold on to these moments as they pass'

07-25-2003, 06:42 AM	#19 (permalink)
Same Guy Crazy Location: Hawaii	a camel has to fit through the eye of a needle before a rich man can get into heaven, so yes, i'll agree to that __________________ Thank you, come again.

07-25-2003, 09:06 AM	#20 (permalink)
Nowlookit Upright	To me, Jesu Christae was apolitical. The hebrews in the Old testament organized themselves in a socialist fashion, whereby every tribe had a function, and within that tribe an hierarchy existed, and every member had a distinct, well-defined function. J.C. didn't espouse any political views, as I recall.

07-25-2003, 09:56 AM	#22 (permalink)
MikeyChalupa Squid Location: USS George Washington	Reminds me of something scary I heard on VeggieTales. Bob and Larry are wrapping up the Dave and the Giant Pickle show (David and Goliath) and explaining the moral and the verse that applies. Bob: With God, all things are possible. (Mark 10:27) Larry: Well, I’ve always wanted to be a chicken, does that mean God can make me a chicken? Bob: No, it doesn't work that way. It means whatever God wants us to do, we can do! If I could only teach my children ONE THING in this life, it's to be VERY careful about ANYBODY telling you that "God wants" something. -Mikey

07-26-2003, 08:08 AM	#23 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	From what records that still exist early followers of the Nazarene carpenter were very socialist. Pooling funds, communes, with the radical (for it's day) place of honor of women in the movement. That lasted until they were no longer an impoverished cult, then the big business aspects kicked in and it went straight to hell so to speak. 2Wolves

07-26-2003, 09:31 AM	#25 (permalink)
spoonbill Tilted	Everyone else should read <u>Holy Blood, Holy Grail</u> for a perspective on Jesus' political views.

07-27-2003, 10:57 AM	#27 (permalink)
thedrake Banned Location: Iowa	Jesus was a spirutual person, he had no political ties to anyone and the only ties he had to was God and the people.