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Rekna · 05-01-2011, 07:11 PM

Good job to the US military, our President, and our government officials!

HOORAH!!

Baraka_Guru · 05-01-2011, 07:24 PM

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Osama bin Laden is dead, Obama announces

Osama bin Laden, the mastermind behind al-Qaida, is dead, President Obama to announce from the White House

Osama bin Laden, the criminal mastermind behind al-Qaida and the world's most sought-after terrorist since the attacks of 11 September 2001, has been killed by a US operation, President Barack Obama will announce late on Sunday night.

Osama's body is in possession of the US, having been killed in Pakistan as the result of a US special forces and CIA operation, according to the first leaks of reporting from the US television networks.

President Obama is to make a highly unusual Sunday night live statement to announce the news, around 11pm eastern time.

The news comes eight years to the day that President George Bush declared "Mission accomplished" in Iraq. As president, Bush declared he wanted bin Laden "dead or alive" – but it is now the unlikely figure of Barack Obama who announces the final triumph as the US commander in chief.

This is a turning point in the global "war on terrorism" that has been waged since 9/11 – and the news will reverberate around the world.

The news comes as an unparalleled boost for US foreign policy, the key aim of which since 2001 has been the disarming and dismemberment of al-Qaida, and coincidentally probably insures the re-election of Obama in the 2012 presidential contest.

As a candidate, during the 2008 election campaign Obama repeatedly vowed: "We will kill Osama bin Laden." And so it proved.

Osama bin Laden is dead, Obama announces | Richard Adams | World news | guardian.co.uk

samcol · 05-01-2011, 07:45 PM

There is no reason to believe this or think that it will change anything. The whole war on terror has been built on lies.

When we get out of Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya, I will begin to care.

Willravel · 05-01-2011, 07:50 PM

This could be the final straw that breaks the Afganistan war's back, so to speak. Bin Laden is dead, al Qaeda is out of Afghanistan, and the Taliban has had its nose bloodied rather significantly. There's nothing more to be gained there and it's time the United States concentrates on fixing our own house.

Derwood · 05-01-2011, 07:51 PM

Yep, wake me up when we start pulling troops

Walt · 05-01-2011, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by samcol

There is no reason to believe this or think that it will change anything. The whole war on terror has been built on lies.

When we get out of Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya, I will begin to care.

Baraka_Guru · 05-01-2011, 07:53 PM

Terrorism is a hydra. If anything, this will create more work.

ASU2003 · 05-01-2011, 07:54 PM

Good job Obama, the covert ops and intelligence agencies.

It will most likely fracture the different terrorist groups more, but it will allow the US military to shift their mission hopefully.

dlish · 05-01-2011, 07:57 PM

Now that that is over with, maybe i can travel a little more freely now and maybe everyones civil rights can be restored. somehow i dont think so.

if he was killed a week ago now, find it a little peculiar that news leaked exacly a week ago that if he was killed that members of AQ woulf unleash a nuclear bomb in europe. Possibly a case of our governments readying us for this possibility?

i wonder if they will give him back to his family for a dignified funeral.

KirStang · 05-01-2011, 08:05 PM

Good riddance. Hopefully terrorists won't try any new plots in retaliation.

Charlatan · 05-01-2011, 08:05 PM

I am not convinced this will make much difference, unless it means that the US will now stand down its operations. Let's face it, the hunt for bin Laden hasn't been the focus of Afghanistan for some time now and Iraq has never been about it ever. As for Libya... also unrelated.

I don't think this will make a difference at all.

Baraka_Guru · 05-01-2011, 08:08 PM

Well like one commenter was saying (don't know who it was): Osama's death is more iconic than it is tactical. The biggest impact will probably be on the mood of Americans.

It will bode well for Obama's re-election.

dlish · 05-01-2011, 08:16 PM

im indifferent.

It was bound to happen whether it was at the hands of his enemies or of natural causes. he's rather have been killed by his enemies anyways. it fulfills his ultimate aim.

i wonder what the mood will be like outside. im inclined to believe that here it would be just another day.

blahblah454 · 05-01-2011, 08:19 PM

I do not understand why it is alright for USA to go and kill someone and its worth celebrating and yet if anyone else does it it is called murder.

I understand the man did some horrible things in his life, but what happened to that whole trial thing.

KirStang · 05-01-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blahblah454

I do not understand why it is alright for USA to go and kill someone and its worth celebrating and yet if anyone else does it it is called murder.

I understand the man did some horrible things in his life, but what happened to that whole trial thing.

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President Obama said that on Sunday, a small team of U.S. operatives launched a “targeted assault’’ on a compound in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad where months of intelligence work had established that Mr. Bin Laden was living. Mr. Bin Laden was killed after a firefight, and the troops took custody of his body.

Kinda hard to do the whole trial thing when they're shooting back atcha.

Lindy · 05-01-2011, 08:42 PM

A proud and admitted murderer. I'm glad he's dead. A trial would just be theater. Twenty years of appeals on technical and procedural grounds...
This kind of thing is never pretty, probably violated Bin Laden's civil rights, and I suspect the homegrown "USA is never right" crowd that inhabits TFP politics will be out in full force.

Lindy

tenchi069 · 05-01-2011, 08:46 PM

Osama Bin Laden helped orchestrate some of the more terrible acts of terrorism in the world. Not just WTC, but also on 2 U.S. embassies in Africa. While I abhor everything he was, did, and stood for, I will not celebrate his death. I am relieved that there is one less mass killer in the world. What I will celebrate is the fact that he will not be around to assist in any more killings.

Regarding the trial aspect. I do not have the source, but I do remember reading awhile back that if Osama was captured he would be tried and if/when convicted, sentenced to Gitmo or some other appropriate military installation. From the civilian aspect, he getting killed would be no different from a shootout with police/swat during a drug raid. From the military aspect, according to the reports, he was shooting at military personnel and therefore a viable target.

roachboy · 05-01-2011, 08:48 PM

does this mean that colossal joke they call the "war on terror" is over now?

dlish · 05-01-2011, 08:55 PM

while reports come in thick and fast, i cant help but notice how similar the case of Osama is to that of Saddam.

replace Saddam with Osama, and replace the Shias with Americans. The amount of celebration and gloating is no different than when saddam was hung. I prefer to celebrate life rather than death.

roachboy · 05-01-2011, 08:57 PM

does this mean that neo-fascism is not ok now?

KirStang · 05-01-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dlish

while reports come in thick and fast, i cant help but notice how similar the case of Osama is to that of Saddam.

replace Saddam with Osama, and replace the Shias with Americans. The amount of celebration and gloating is no different than when saddam was hung. I prefer to celebrate life rather than death.

I had some discomfort with the way Saddam was paraded and executed in a 'trial,' but for Osama, who was responsible for the deaths of 5,000-plus American civilians, so be it.

Taking Osama down feels more personal to me, and one shouldn't blame Americans for feeling vindicated.

dlish · 05-02-2011, 01:39 AM

its not about vindication.

my point is that no one needs to celebrate the taking of a life. sure, theres relief, and theres closure and all the feelings that come with it. but celebrations and fireworks? how is that better than the palestinians that danced in the street on the morning of the 11th of September 2001?

regardless of where you stand in the spectrum, this is my take

Quran 5:32 - we ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person, it would be As if He slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be As if He saved the life of the whole people

kramus · 05-02-2011, 03:48 AM

I posted my thoughts elsewhere, but I'll put them here as well.

I admit I was more taken with the discovery of the Air France black box than I was with the death by special forces of OBL. The former was a wonder of technical expertise and exploration of the depths of the ocean. The latter was a very meticulous and well performed series of actions by an array of clever and dangerous people. The black box recovery was a more positive result than the death of a wealthy fanatic.

The guy is dead. Killed in a firefight. DNA'd & buried at sea. Finis. The fallout from this, like the rest of the trainwreck that is fundamentalist interaction, will go on for a while until another set of horrors overlays our current mess.

dlish · 05-02-2011, 04:16 AM

"buried according to islamic traditions"? what a bunch of bollocks!

ive never heard of an islamic funeral at sea. the only tradition that the US wanted to adhere to it seems was that 'two suns should not fall on the dead'. which basically means that the dead need to be buried within 24hrs.

their justification is that no one wanted to bury him in their land. seriously?!?!?
according to islamic traditions the dead need to be buried in the land they died. according to islamic traditions the dead need to be buried in a while in the ground layed on bare earth.
according to islamic traditions the dead are washed, shrouded and taken to the mosque for the funeral prayers
.............
according to islamic traditions, bodies are not discarded at sea.

i find this very strange that the US would discard his body at sea when they can have the possibility of exhuming him later for further evidence. i find it really strange because this will raise more questions than it will solve.

roachboy · 05-02-2011, 06:02 AM

for all we know, bin laden was disposed of at sea because the ship's refrigerator he's been stored in for the past 8 years broke down.

i don't see anything interesting in this. i found it interesting that the infotainment was understood as important enough to warrant it coming up in the 9th inning of the phillies unfortunate loss to the mets. like something from "the harder they come" really.

i'm hoping that this is a final bit of punctuation on the pathetic story of the "war on terror" and the collective lurch toward some nitwit neo-fascism that it engendered.
i'm hoping that the end of that story will open up space for a rethinking of priorities in the united states.
maybe we will see the beginning of the dismantling of the national security state finally and a reallocation of resources away from killing people in great number in the name of freedom and other such words toward developing approaches to making people's lives better.

sadly it won't mean the end of meathead jingoism.
but one can hope for that too.

ottopilot · 05-02-2011, 07:23 AM

UBL is dead... hey we've got the DNA and physical descriptions. He may be fish-food or spending some quality time with "interrogators" (he's "dead" right...anything goes). Either way I'm fine with the outcome, the latter would bear more useful fruit.

observation - It's amazing how all the college students suddenly appeared in Time Square. Weren't they like 8 years old in 2001? Orchestrations make good TV and boost failing approval ratings at critical moments. Everyone does it, so that wouldn't be such a surprise. If it was a natural reaction to the event, then I'm glad to see such spontaneous outpourings of national pride. However, I'm afraid it may be playing much like "American Extremism" to the international crowd... much like the celebrations post 9/11 seen in the Arab/Islamic World. We need to be better. I see what's handed to us, let's see what's in the other hand.

samcol · 05-02-2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by roachboy

for all we know, bin laden was disposed of at sea because the ship's refrigerator he's been stored in for the past 8 years broke down.

i don't see anything interesting in this. i found it interesting that the infotainment was understood as important enough to warrant it coming up in the 9th inning of the phillies unfortunate loss to the mets. like something from "the harder they come" really.

i'm hoping that this is a final bit of punctuation on the pathetic story of the "war on terror" and the collective lurch toward some nitwit neo-fascism that it engendered.
i'm hoping that the end of that story will open up space for a rethinking of priorities in the united states.
maybe we will see the beginning of the dismantling of the national security state finally and a reallocation of resources away from killing people in great number in the name of freedom and other such words toward developing approaches to making people's lives better.

sadly it won't mean the end of meathead jingoism.
but one can hope for that too.

This.

ottopilot · 05-02-2011, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by samcol

This.

That.

aceventura3 · 05-02-2011, 10:28 AM

Hil-Rod said it best today:

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Our message to the Taliban remains the same, but today it may have even greater resonance: You cannot wait us out. You cannot defeat us. But you can make the choice to abandon al-Qaida and participate in a peaceful political process.

Hillary Clinton’s Remarks on bin Laden’s Death - Washington Wire - WSJ

Today is a good day for all of those needing more closure to the painful events of 9/11. All Americans can be proud of the CIA and the men and women putting their lives at risk in the war on terror.

GreyWolf · 05-02-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dlish

"buried according to islamic traditions"? what a bunch of bollocks!

ive never heard of an islamic funeral at sea. the only tradition that the US wanted to adhere to it seems was that 'two suns should not fall on the dead'. which basically means that the dead need to be buried within 24hrs.

With all due respect to your much greater knowledge of all things, particularly Islam, I do offer this from the Al-Islam.org site:

Rules about Burial of the Dead Body

If this is correct, there are exceptions allowed to tradition. Now, that being said, respect for Islam or tradition probably had very little to do with it, and desire to mollify Muslims worldwide was probably paramount - they found a "loophole" that met their desire to put the body where no one would ever know, and used it.

dlish · 05-02-2011, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GreyWolf

With all due respect to your much greater knowledge of all things, particularly Islam, I do offer this from the Al-Islam.org site:

Rules about Burial of the Dead Body

If this is correct, there are exceptions allowed to tradition. Now, that being said, respect for Islam or tradition probably had very little to do with it, and desire to mollify Muslims worldwide was probably paramount - they found a "loophole" that met their desire to put the body where no one would ever know, and used it.

if you read my post in the other thread, you will notice that what i have said is in fact consistant with islamic principles. click here --> http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/2898093-post42.html

ive read your link and theres nothing in there that conflicts with what i have said. The first option is always to bury the deceased in the ground. if that is not possible, then you can consider other options. The option to bury at sea is precedent set, based on whether or not the first criteria is met.

the bit you are referring to is here.

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620. * It is obligatory to bury a dead body in the ground, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out, and, if there is a danger of such beasts digging it out then the grave should be made solid with bricks, etc.

621. If it is not possible to bury a dead body in the ground, it may be kept in a vault or a coffin, instead.

622. The dead body should be laid in the grave on its right side so that the face remains towards the Qibla [direction of mecca].

623. * If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl [washing] , Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.

625. * The expenses of lowering the dead body into the sea, or making the grave solid on the ground can be deducted from the estate of the deceased, if necessary.

here is what Al Azhar University, Islams oldest centre of learning has said about Osamas Burial at sea

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Burials at sea against Islamic rules, say scholars - Channel NewsAsia
Burials at sea against Islamic rules, say scholars

CAIRO: Top Muslim scholars said Islam is opposed to burials at sea like the one Osama bin Laden received on Monday after being shot dead in a US operation in Pakistan.

The United States says Osama received Muslim religious rites but his body was "eased" into the Arabian Sea so that no one can build a shrine on his grave.

"If it is true that the body was thrown into the sea, then Islam is totally against that," said Mahmud Azab, an adviser to Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the grand imam of Al-Azhar, the top Sunni Muslim authority.

A senior US defence official said that US forces administered Muslim religious rites for Osama aboard an aircraft carrier on Monday in the Arabian Sea, after he was shot dead in a raid on his Pakistan villa.

"Today religious rights were conducted for the deceased on the deck of the USS Carl-Vinson which is located in the North Arabian Sea," the official said.

"Traditional procedures for Islamic burial were followed. The deceased's body was washed and then placed in a white sheet. The body was placed in a weighted bag.

"A military officer read prepared religious remarks which were translated into Arabic by a native speaker. After the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared flat-board... (and) eased into the sea."

The ceremony began at 0510 GMT and ended some 50 minutes later aboard the aircraft carrier which is stationed off the coast of Pakistan to help US and coalition forces in Afghanistan.

But Azab insisted that the dead should be given full respect regardless of how they died or their beliefs, an opinion shared also by several other Muslim scholars.

"Any corpse, if it belongs to someone murdered or someone who died of natural causes, must be respected," said Azab, who advises Al-Azhar's chief for inter-religious affairs at the Cairo-based prestigious institution.

"The bodies of believers and non-believers, Muslim or Christian, must be respected," he said, adding that Tayeb was due to issue a formal statement.

"Islam only accepts burials" at sea unless it is inevitable like for those who drown, he said.

US officials said bin Laden was buried at sea after being shot dead in a US helicopter-borne raid on his fortified villa in Pakistan to avoid a "shrine" situation.

"We wanted to avoid a situation where it would become a shrine," one official told AFP, adding that there was no time for negotiations with other countries to arrange for a possible burial.

Muzammil H. Siddiqi, chairman of the Fiqh Council of North America, an association that interprets Islamic law, said putting a body into the sea "is not a normal solution."

"Normally if a person dies at sea, travelling at sea, then they can put him in sea, throw the body in the water. But if somebody dies on the land then normally they do not throw the body in the sea," Siddiqi said.

"I was hearing on the news that this was done so that no one can build a shrine on his grave, that might have been a consideration... (but) every person deserves the right to be buried."

"I don't know why they did it," he said of the watery grave.

A source close to the head of the Grand Mosque in Paris said a burial at sea "is totally against the sacrosanct rules of Islam."

When a Muslim dies his body must be washed in a special ritual carried out by Muslims and buried in the ground as soon as possible, usually in the 24 hours following the death.

The corpse is usually wrapped in a white shroud and placed directly in the grave, without a coffin.

"The body must be placed in a parallel line with Mecca (Islam's holiest site in Saudi Arabia) and the head of the deceased must be turned right, in the direction of the Kaaba, the sacred sanctuary in Mecca," the source at the Paris Grand Mosque said.

GreyWolf · 05-02-2011, 04:34 PM

As I said, I bow to your greater knowledge... no offense was intended. Basically, I agree that the burial at sea was solely for the benefit of the US, but that the "exceptions" formed their rationalisation that it would be acceptable to Muslims worldwide.

roachboy · 05-02-2011, 04:38 PM

i would like to merely note the obvious absurdity of this official story. thank you.
islamabad is not near the north arabian sea.

KirStang · 05-02-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by roachboy

i would like to merely note the obvious absurdity of this official story. thank you.

Agreed. Call me tin-foil hatted, but...."WE GOT HIM! THEN DUMPED HIM IN TO THE SEA!"

So odd. You'd think they'd at least snap a couple of pictures.

Derwood · 05-02-2011, 04:50 PM

Oh, I'm sure they have pictures. The Arab world is not going to believe he's dead without photographic evidence.

reconmike · 05-02-2011, 08:01 PM

I truly hope they stuffed a pigs cock in his ass before they delivered him to be fish food, kinda hard to meet your virgins in heaven with a pig penis in your ass.

As symbolic as his ass waxing was, maybe now the U.S. will realize that Pakistan and the likes are not our friends, we should pull all aid to the rest of the world and give the more to the leeches here in the US.

roachboy · 05-03-2011, 03:31 AM

thanks for that delightful civilization-optional commentary, recon. it's always good to know where the bottom of the barrel is.

dlish · 05-03-2011, 04:10 AM

i guess recon hasnt heard that there isnt any 72 virgins, and that the hadith that this theory is derived from is considered weak by the hadith experts.

if they did do that to him, then i want to see pictures dammit! no wonder they gave him a brisk funeral.

greywolf, im but a mere servant of TFP

reconmike · 05-03-2011, 04:16 AM

Civilization-optional Roach? You always crack me the hell up. Sip some more of that intellectual better than thou special green tea, you must drink up there in your ivory tower. Oh I have your fuking bottom of the barrel right here book boy, OBL needed a bullet in the eye, this country NEEDED to put a bullet in his face, now that it is over with you can go back to your we all need to frolic in the dewy meadow together shit.

Now back to your original marxist tfp programing.

OUT

roachboy · 05-03-2011, 06:40 AM

No dignity at Ground Zero | Mona Eltahawy | Comment is free | The Guardian

frat boys with imaginary guns.

why stop at jettisoning civilization. you might as well throw your dignity out the window at the same time.

fuck yeah america.

05-01-2011, 07:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Osama Dead! Good job to the US military, our President, and our government officials! HOORAH!!

05-01-2011, 07:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
samcol Junkie Location: Indiana	There is no reason to believe this or think that it will change anything. The whole war on terror has been built on lies. When we get out of Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya, I will begin to care. __________________ It's time for the president to hand over his nobel peace prize.

05-01-2011, 07:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	Yep, wake me up when we start pulling troops __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel

05-01-2011, 07:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Terrorism is a hydra. If anything, this will create more work. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

05-01-2011, 07:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	Now that that is over with, maybe i can travel a little more freely now and maybe everyones civil rights can be restored. somehow i dont think so. if he was killed a week ago now, find it a little peculiar that news leaked exacly a week ago that if he was killed that members of AQ woulf unleash a nuclear bomb in europe. Possibly a case of our governments readying us for this possibility? i wonder if they will give him back to his family for a dignified funeral. __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

05-01-2011, 07:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	This could be the final straw that breaks the Afganistan war's back, so to speak. Bin Laden is dead, al Qaeda is out of Afghanistan, and the Taliban has had its nose bloodied rather significantly. There's nothing more to be gained there and it's time the United States concentrates on fixing our own house.

05-01-2011, 07:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	Good job Obama, the covert ops and intelligence agencies. It will most likely fracture the different terrorist groups more, but it will allow the US military to shift their mission hopefully.

05-01-2011, 08:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I am not convinced this will make much difference, unless it means that the US will now stand down its operations. Let's face it, the hunt for bin Laden hasn't been the focus of Afghanistan for some time now and Iraq has never been about it ever. As for Libya... also unrelated. I don't think this will make a difference at all. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-01-2011, 08:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Well like one commenter was saying (don't know who it was): Osama's death is more iconic than it is tactical. The biggest impact will probably be on the mood of Americans. It will bode well for Obama's re-election. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

05-01-2011, 08:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	im indifferent. It was bound to happen whether it was at the hands of his enemies or of natural causes. he's rather have been killed by his enemies anyways. it fulfills his ultimate aim. i wonder what the mood will be like outside. im inclined to believe that here it would be just another day. __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

05-01-2011, 08:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
blahblah454 Let's put a smile on that face Location: On the road...	I do not understand why it is alright for USA to go and kill someone and its worth celebrating and yet if anyone else does it it is called murder. I understand the man did some horrible things in his life, but what happened to that whole trial thing.

05-01-2011, 08:42 PM	#16 (permalink)
Lindy Junkie	A proud and admitted murderer. I'm glad he's dead. A trial would just be theater. Twenty years of appeals on technical and procedural grounds... This kind of thing is never pretty, probably violated Bin Laden's civil rights, and I suspect the homegrown "USA is never right" crowd that inhabits TFP politics will be out in full force. Lindy

05-01-2011, 08:46 PM	#17 (permalink)
tenchi069 Lost Location: One step closer to the padded cell...	Osama Bin Laden helped orchestrate some of the more terrible acts of terrorism in the world. Not just WTC, but also on 2 U.S. embassies in Africa. While I abhor everything he was, did, and stood for, I will not celebrate his death. I am relieved that there is one less mass killer in the world. What I will celebrate is the fact that he will not be around to assist in any more killings. Regarding the trial aspect. I do not have the source, but I do remember reading awhile back that if Osama was captured he would be tried and if/when convicted, sentenced to Gitmo or some other appropriate military installation. From the civilian aspect, he getting killed would be no different from a shootout with police/swat during a drug raid. From the military aspect, according to the reports, he was shooting at military personnel and therefore a viable target. __________________ ERROR- PLBSAK Problem Lies Between Seat and Keyboard. Last edited by tenchi069; 05-01-2011 at 08:47 PM.. Reason: grammar

05-01-2011, 08:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	does this mean that colossal joke they call the "war on terror" is over now? __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

05-01-2011, 08:55 PM	#19 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	while reports come in thick and fast, i cant help but notice how similar the case of Osama is to that of Saddam. replace Saddam with Osama, and replace the Shias with Americans. The amount of celebration and gloating is no different than when saddam was hung. I prefer to celebrate life rather than death. __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

05-01-2011, 08:57 PM	#20 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	does this mean that neo-fascism is not ok now? __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

05-02-2011, 01:39 AM	#22 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	its not about vindication. my point is that no one needs to celebrate the taking of a life. sure, theres relief, and theres closure and all the feelings that come with it. but celebrations and fireworks? how is that better than the palestinians that danced in the street on the morning of the 11th of September 2001? regardless of where you stand in the spectrum, this is my take Quran 5:32 - we ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person, it would be As if He slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be As if He saved the life of the whole people __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

05-02-2011, 03:48 AM	#23 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	I posted my thoughts elsewhere, but I'll put them here as well. I admit I was more taken with the discovery of the Air France black box than I was with the death by special forces of OBL. The former was a wonder of technical expertise and exploration of the depths of the ocean. The latter was a very meticulous and well performed series of actions by an array of clever and dangerous people. The black box recovery was a more positive result than the death of a wealthy fanatic. The guy is dead. Killed in a firefight. DNA'd & buried at sea. Finis. The fallout from this, like the rest of the trainwreck that is fundamentalist interaction, will go on for a while until another set of horrors overlays our current mess. __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

05-02-2011, 04:16 AM	#24 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	"buried according to islamic traditions"? what a bunch of bollocks! ive never heard of an islamic funeral at sea. the only tradition that the US wanted to adhere to it seems was that 'two suns should not fall on the dead'. which basically means that the dead need to be buried within 24hrs. their justification is that no one wanted to bury him in their land. seriously?!?!? according to islamic traditions the dead need to be buried in the land they died. according to islamic traditions the dead need to be buried in a while in the ground layed on bare earth. according to islamic traditions the dead are washed, shrouded and taken to the mosque for the funeral prayers ............. according to islamic traditions, bodies are not discarded at sea. i find this very strange that the US would discard his body at sea when they can have the possibility of exhuming him later for further evidence. i find it really strange because this will raise more questions than it will solve. __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

05-02-2011, 06:02 AM	#25 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	for all we know, bin laden was disposed of at sea because the ship's refrigerator he's been stored in for the past 8 years broke down. i don't see anything interesting in this. i found it interesting that the infotainment was understood as important enough to warrant it coming up in the 9th inning of the phillies unfortunate loss to the mets. like something from "the harder they come" really. i'm hoping that this is a final bit of punctuation on the pathetic story of the "war on terror" and the collective lurch toward some nitwit neo-fascism that it engendered. i'm hoping that the end of that story will open up space for a rethinking of priorities in the united states. maybe we will see the beginning of the dismantling of the national security state finally and a reallocation of resources away from killing people in great number in the name of freedom and other such words toward developing approaches to making people's lives better. sadly it won't mean the end of meathead jingoism. but one can hope for that too. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

05-02-2011, 07:23 AM	#26 (permalink)
ottopilot let me be clear Location: Waddy Peytona	UBL is dead... hey we've got the DNA and physical descriptions. He may be fish-food or spending some quality time with "interrogators" (he's "dead" right...anything goes). Either way I'm fine with the outcome, the latter would bear more useful fruit. observation - It's amazing how all the college students suddenly appeared in Time Square. Weren't they like 8 years old in 2001? Orchestrations make good TV and boost failing approval ratings at critical moments. Everyone does it, so that wouldn't be such a surprise. If it was a natural reaction to the event, then I'm glad to see such spontaneous outpourings of national pride. However, I'm afraid it may be playing much like "American Extremism" to the international crowd... much like the celebrations post 9/11 seen in the Arab/Islamic World. We need to be better. I see what's handed to us, let's see what's in the other hand. __________________ "It rubs the lotion on Buffy, Jodi and Mr. French's skin" - Uncle Bill from Buffalo

05-02-2011, 04:34 PM	#32 (permalink)
GreyWolf Sober Location: Eastern Canada	As I said, I bow to your greater knowledge... no offense was intended. Basically, I agree that the burial at sea was solely for the benefit of the US, but that the "exceptions" formed their rationalisation that it would be acceptable to Muslims worldwide. __________________ *The secret to great marksmanship is deciding what the target was AFTER you've shot.*

05-02-2011, 04:38 PM	#33 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	i would like to merely note the obvious absurdity of this official story. thank you. islamabad is not near the north arabian sea. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 05-02-2011 at 04:45 PM..

05-02-2011, 04:50 PM	#35 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	Oh, I'm sure they have pictures. The Arab world is not going to believe he's dead without photographic evidence. __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel

05-02-2011, 08:01 PM	#36 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	I truly hope they stuffed a pigs cock in his ass before they delivered him to be fish food, kinda hard to meet your virgins in heaven with a pig penis in your ass. As symbolic as his ass waxing was, maybe now the U.S. will realize that Pakistan and the likes are not our friends, we should pull all aid to the rest of the world and give the more to the leeches here in the US. __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him?

05-03-2011, 03:31 AM	#37 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	thanks for that delightful civilization-optional commentary, recon. it's always good to know where the bottom of the barrel is. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

05-03-2011, 04:10 AM	#38 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	i guess recon hasnt heard that there isnt any 72 virgins, and that the hadith that this theory is derived from is considered weak by the hadith experts. if they did do that to him, then i want to see pictures dammit! no wonder they gave him a brisk funeral. greywolf, im but a mere servant of TFP __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

05-03-2011, 04:16 AM	#39 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	Civilization-optional Roach? You always crack me the hell up. Sip some more of that intellectual better than thou special green tea, you must drink up there in your ivory tower. Oh I have your fuking bottom of the barrel right here book boy, OBL needed a bullet in the eye, this country NEEDED to put a bullet in his face, now that it is over with you can go back to your we all need to frolic in the dewy meadow together shit. Now back to your original marxist tfp programing. OUT __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him?

05-03-2011, 06:40 AM	#40 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	No dignity at Ground Zero \| Mona Eltahawy \| Comment is free \| The Guardian frat boys with imaginary guns. why stop at jettisoning civilization. you might as well throw your dignity out the window at the same time. fuck yeah america. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite