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Missouri lawmakers crack down on porn industry - KansasCity.com

The quick of it is Missouri is not banning strip clubs but is doing some major changes

1. No alcohol. Most clubs could not have alcohol if they were full nudity to begin with but...
2. No full nudity. Sounds like the panties are going to have to stay on.
3. Dancers will have to stay 6 feet away from patrons. So absolutely no private rooms or even lap dances where most strippers get their revenue.

Now obviously I posted this because I feel like I would get support from this crowd and I enjoy strip clubs.

Now with these new regulations organized strip clubs are going to go down the drain and you are going to see more and more private parties with strippers in uncontrolled settings. Sure I could account for my friends to come over to my place to watch a stripper but what about my friends friends? I think this is going to cause more issues and treat women who strip more like prostitutes.

I am for full legal strip clubs. Strippers are not and have never been prostitutes inside of strip clubs. Any patron knows this that they get you turned on, take your money, and you go home to your wife, girlfriend, hand and give you some great memories.

What do you guys think of this law? Do you think it will be challenged? What do your states allow and dont allow? Are there any strippers who have an opinion?

genuinegirly

6 feet away?! That's insane.

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Plan9

"...and none of this will stop Big Louie's from making bank."

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"Have you seen the girls in that area? Six feet isn't far enough!"

/Missouri

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I don't like strip clubs. I think they're really scummy places. Then again, I've only been to ones outside of military installations so I don't know much.

But this crap legislation is stupid White Jesus morality at its finest. Are they attempting to lift up the community's scruples by stamping out legit vice?

Smells like Christian sex addict denial to me. What do you wanna bet that Bartle is into some really pervo whips and buttplugs kinda stuff?

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Xerxys

Why does the government do this? Why does the govt. introduce inappropriate topics to congress and enforce their worthless dumbass opinions on us? Isn't this something that should be dealt with by the community?

I wonder what reason they gave for the regulations? It's almost like censorship isn't it? I read what that representative jackass said about it being an "embarrassment" and I was thinking to myself, why not just take the billboards down? Why not just prohibit advertisement of it in a public setting to reduce on what your stunted morals view as "indecent". Regulating what has to be done inside a private adult only environment is stupid.

This just comes to show how the government shouldn't be made of old men born in the 1800's who still think women should remain barefoot in the kitchen and not be seen in public.

I feel much safer for the citizens of Missouri now that their strippers cannot be touched. Way to crack down on controversial issues. :rollseyes:

FuglyStick

I'm gonna file this in the same cabinet as the "legalize marijuana" topic--I don't give a damn.

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Plan9

Yeah, yeah... you in-the-VIP motorboatin' sonuvabitch, you.

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Craven Morehead

I think its a bullshit law. Obviously, there can be illegal activities occurring inside or the promotion of the same. But isn't that true of several other types of businesses?

And right across the river from St. Louis is some of the most outstanding strip clubs I've ever been into. Some, not all, are very well ran, and safe for the patrons. PTs in Centreville has a huge following on Sat. nights - its swingers night. Couples turn out in droves. Interesting place.

Baraka_Guru

Why do they regulate sex more than they do firearms?

(Did I just can-of-worms the thread?)

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Plan9

Yes, yes... what would Freud say about banning sex outlets and stockpiling guns as is done in the Midwest?

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This isn't really a can of worms, Baraka. I indulge in both hobbies whenever possible and rarely feel guilty about it.

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Baraka_Guru

See, I wasn't sure, as I don't have very much stock in this. I only really participate in either experience virtually. It's much more difficult to regulate that.

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guy44

How much you wanna bet the legislators who voted for this engaged in some "fact finding missions?"

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genuinegirly

I agree with you on this one.

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inBOIL

You've obviously never been to San Francisco. Of course, if strippers are going to engage in prostitution, better for it to happen in some champagne room with bouncers walking around outside than in a private party. A lot of these strip clubs will gladly tone down the embarrassing marketing and pay a fair amount of liquor and sales tax in exchange for the community leaving them alone. Good luck getting that out of the freelancers.

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loquitur

I don't care much for strip clubs, but I gotta say, to me this sounds like a first amendment violation. If a dancer thinks it's necessary for her "art" to bare her cooz, then this is censorship.

FoolThemAll

Everyone agrees that the government should stay out of A, B, and C. But D and E? They need policing. We gave them the chance to do things the way we wanted them done and they failed, so it's time for the government to make them sit in the corner.

This is clearly an issue for the community to handle... unless the community handles it the wrong way.

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Wes Mantooth

Jesus Missouri, seriously its not the 1920's...what the fuck? How about going back to prohibition, illegal hemlines and penny arcades while you're at it?

I bet it must be awesome spending a night out in Missouri now stone sober, watching half naked girls through binoculars, two verse minimum on the mandatory bible handed out at the door but hey those tickets to Branson are 50 percent off if you don't get wood looking at the strippers ankles. Seriously I HATE laws like this, let the strippers, business owners and clientele decide what they want. I really hope this winds up before a judge...awful abuse of power.

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ASU2003

I wish the opposition party had the guts to make a campaign ad with some uptight old politician barging into their bedroom or VIP room and telling them what they can't do.

raging moderate

If the community was actually so against the strip clubs, they (the clubs) would have been out of business already. I know that's kind of a crock-of-shit argument but I do recall that this is supposedly a capitalist nation in which we vote with our dollar.

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hunnychile

Just yet another reason to never live in Missouri, or "Misery" as some call it.

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Strange Famous

The same reason that a nation can be appalled by Janet Jackson's nipple, but happily watch movies and shows of people being blown up.

I have never really understood the purpose of criminalising the sale of sex.

I think the argument is pretty clear that the women doing this are safer if it is above board and governed sensibly than if the industry is forced underground.

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Walt

Because "The gun is good. The penis is evil". All hail Zardoz!


/ Where's your God now, Wil?

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Plan9

Me? I've got some porn stashed in a folder on my desktop. The folder is labeled "ZOMGPORN."

What Walt has stashed in a folder on his desktop cannot be explained with the 25 character limit.

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james t kirk

Cum to Toronto. The Strip Joints are full service, full nudity, full contact, with alcohol. As far as I'm aware we haven't spontaneously combusted yet.

If you want a little more action than what a Strip Joint has to offer, you could sample any number of fine (licensed by the City of Toronto) Massage Parlours, or partake in legal outcall prostitution.

No guns allowed though. Guns get people killed.

Plan9

And reefer makes people crazy!

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Walt

"Come on over, get trashed, and bang hookers...but don't bring the means to defend yourself." The Admiral Akbar in me is skeptical. Sounds too much like the movie "Hostel".

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Growing up in Gig Harbor, Washington, I had the opportunity to spend a good bit of time with a friend of the family who happened to be a pilot. My father and I would frequently accompany him on (presumably humanitarian aid) flights to Vancouver, Canadia.

I seem to remember that the vast majority of citizens had lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When they come at ya, they don't seem to be living. Oh, and that the donuts were delicious.

I do not recall any hookers or weed.

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Xerxys

^^ This dude's account has been hacked, I should PM the jazz and tell him cromps is setting up new accounts again ...

hurr hurr, I c wut u did thar!

Baraka_Guru

The lifeless doll's eyes is a look we get from having too many heavy doses of the Socialist Mind Control drug. Those Vancouverites are traditionally hippies, and so they tend to get more shots than the rest of Canada because of their penchant for protesting the government. Most of us prefer the passive treatment: sex and drugs.

But, you see, there's the difference between our nations: you guys are overrun with guns and violence, while we're overrun with sex and drugs.

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Plan9

Oh god, my spleen!

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Walt

How can you have a government with no president?! It's un-American!

You got me there, though I did address this in the "Massacre in Cumbria" thread.

(Of course, this is all taken on the assumption that said hookers and weed actually exist and that the whole premise isn't some sort of elaborate ruse to lure American's down the international equivalent of a dark alley.)

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Baraka_Guru

(Due to the harsh climate, we Canadians subsist on a diet that consists in a large part of Americans. Contrary to what most may think, our need is less in the winter than it is in the summer, mainly because it's much easier for us to slink across the border on ice skates when the Great Lakes are frozen. This allows us to swoop up unsuspecting Americans and spirit them away back to the Great White North. Travelling "on foot" at speeds of up to 45 kph (25 mph), this gives us an evolutionary advantage on the hunt. In the warmer months, however, Canadians must rely on our wiliness to lure our prey....)

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Walt

I knew it. Just like I knew that Gordon Lightfoot wrote "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" as a way non-confrontational and oddly catchy way to claim Canadian responsibility for...the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Hiding it in plain sight.

11/10/75. Never Forget.

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Plan9

Hall of Fame.

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yournamehere

Well, I worked in a strip club in the early 80s for almost a year and I can guarantee that a lot of the girls made more money in the parking lot (or after hours) than inside. I think the strip club has evolved over time, though. Back in those days, most strip clubs were involved with bikers. Then they started getting away from that, and the "gentlemens club" idea was born. The lap dance came along after my days working in a titty bar; and VIP rooms way after.

But at the time, in Arizona, there was no touching allowed, and if alcohol was served, the girls had to keep their G-strings on. If it was full nudity, the establishment couldn't serve alcohol. There was only one place like that in my town - definitely run by an outlaw biker gang - so although there was the occasional shooting (or perhaps because of it) most customers were rather well-behaved, even though they were for the most part pretty liquored up from somewhere else.

But a blowjob in the parking lot usually only cost you a few spoons of coke (or enough $$ to buy some).

I used to go to some killer after hours parties in those days. Partying all night with coke-fueled strippers was everything you'd imagine it to be. There was a dark side to it, though, too. It's not a healthy environment to be around for long. I just thank my lucky stars it was in the pre-HIV days.

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raging moderate

well, that's it. i'm moving to Canada. Kirk you should be a travel agent

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james t kirk

I'd like to think we Canadians have our priorities straight.

Sex - good

Guns - bad.

You can read all about the sex industry scene in Toronto here (under "Review Board":

www.terb.ca

(Don't tell anyone though.)

spindles

Strike Missouri off my holiday destination list!

like it was ever on it

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FoolThemAll

lol

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