And they said BUSH is an idiot!
 

Which of course, has no bearing on how stupid our current "community organizer" is.

Official: Mexico not in danger of collapse

What a great idea: Release GITMO detainees in the US, and give them welfare? Feel free to volunteer your community to accept them if you support Obama.


Is anyone here willing to have new next-door neighbors?

Do you even know anything about the Uighers?

Sure. They've been deemed non-threatening. In other words, we captured them and held them prisoner for 7 years for absolutely no reason. I say we owe 'em something.

I'd be happy to have some Uighers for neighbors. I'm sure they would be better neighbors than some of the ones I have now. Like shakran, I think we owe them something. You can't just violate someone's human rights and expect to walk away, hands clean. There is always a price to pay.

Although it likely isn't your intent, I actually agree with you here.

I would if we had some international agreement. There are already a number of non-Gitmo Uighers living here in Toronto.

I live in one of the most diverse cities in the world, and arguably one of the best. There are American cities poised in the same way that would do well to greet these people. The world is getting smaller. Now is not the time to shut people out on arbitrary grounds.

Marv, it's good to see you back among us. I've missed your particular brand of discussion; I hope you stick around.

I have Uigher neighbors, too, although I don't know them very well. Some of them have kids the same age as my oldest, and I've talked to them at the playground a few times. They seem like nice people. Then again, they weren't picked up while fighting in Afganistan or Iraq, either.

Really, I'm no more concerned about these guys relocating to my neighborhood than I am anyone who's been in prison for the past 7 years, rightfully or wrongly convicted. So, yes, I'd be concerned that any former prisoner is moving into my neighborhood, mainly from the unknown. That, I think, is the basis of your objection - the fear of the unknown. These guys may be a threat - they certainly look like they could be - but that doesn't make them dangerous. Do they need the system to actually succeed for them - jobs, housing near or with their countrymen, the chance to carve a life for themselves here - absolutely. But I don't think anyone's suggesting that no one should keep tabs on them, and I expect that the FBI will definitely keep a watchful eye on these guys for the foreseeable future.

They weren't picked up fighting. They were picked up crossing the border without authorization, which is what tends to happen one someone is trying to flee its home country because of religious persecution.

Sorry, I forgot that part. It's not in the article, and I didn't remember that detail until I saw your post. Thanks for correcting me.

But my reasons still stand, regardless of the new point.

Absolutely! There's plenty of unoccupied housing and and a better-than-average job market here in Phoenix, I'd happily have some of my tax dollars go towards buying them a short sale house and keeping food on their table while they find employment. It's the least we could do for them after 7 years of Gitmo--does that part not honestly bother you at all?

We should teach them how to commit mass murder and then send them to South America.

you're dating yourself there, filtherton. Now we know you're old like me ;)

If they are non-threatening, and indeed we owe them something: they should be free right now- this moment. If any of them are presently in chains as you read this and it has been determined they are innocent, it kind of contradicts reasons for closing it doesnt it. There is a break down somewhere in this story. Does anyone know if there are detainees they know are going to be freed, because it sounds like plans are already being made.

Sun Tzu,
the reason they are not free right now is because legally they should be returned to China, since they dont have permission to stay anywhere else. But everyone knows what would happen to them if they were deported to China, so right now they are trying to either find a nation that would invite them, or finding legal reason to allow them to stay in the US.

If you are beaten down for 7 years by a country in their prison because first they accused you of being a terrorist against them (and you are innocent) and then they hold you in that prison because they do not know what to do with you..... how are you going to feel towards that country and aren't you going to have a little dislike for the people of that country?

This sounds like a very, very bad situation for which there is no true good answer for.

These guys were cleared for release back in 2004.

Thats really what I need to research more about. So there are prisoners there now that have actually been cleared, but they still have them in chains and in cells because of logistical reasons? They arent even putting them in a barracks type setting? Something doesnt sound right. I'm not stating what you said is incorrect, there has to be more to this.

If they are in chains or not I don't know. But they are still being held there, not really as "guests" either.

That seems perfectly reasonable. We should have tried them based on evidence originally, but at least we're getting around to it.

No we should shoot them in the head. I think we should start cracking down on crime more and we should imprison people, torture them, and then send to to other countries to be tortured and killed. I also think all of this should occur without a trial. I mean these guys are in gitmo they have to be guilty because they are in gitmo that's why they are in gitmo if they weren't terrorists then they wouldn't be in gitmo. So lets just shoot them in the head and save everyone the money while protecting our children.

Not bad, but I would rather see them play some sort of hot potato game with frag grenades, or maybe soccer in a mine field, much more exciting than a gun shot wound to the head.

You guys won't be laughing when Fox News televises it...

Actually, YOU might be, ya sick freaks. :thumbsup:

You seem angry about the 'welfare' aspect, but think of the alternative: we capture and detain harmless prisoners for 7 years without trial, and then release them penniless onto the American streets, with no one to help them and no ability to fend for themselves here (cultural familiarity, business norms, language). That's not only morally reprehensible, but very stupid in a practical sense: we would almost guarantee that they turn to criminality, if not worse.