03-24-2009, 09:58 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
Junkie
Location: Indiana
|
GIVE Act Amendment
Well the GIVE act passed the house and senate. Here is an amendment that was tacked on:
Quote:
Sadly, this is only a small fraction of the bill. I haven't had a chance to go through the GIVE act, but it smells like indentured servitude to me.
__________________
It's time for the president to hand over his nobel peace prize. |
|
03-24-2009, 10:10 AM | #2 (permalink) |
Tone.
|
No, it is not a violation of the first amendment. The first amendment guarantees the right of the people to freedom of speech/expression/press, etc. In other words, individual people can still speak out about legislation, petitions, boycotts, etc. Corporations are not people, and should not have constitutional rights.
(edit) Having now read the definitions, here's my amendment to the amendment discussion: The bill, as amended, says "If you come to the government and get a handout, you agree to not do this stuff." That, too, is fine. If your community service organization wants to influence legislation or go unionbusting, then don't ask the government for money. Last edited by shakran; 03-24-2009 at 10:17 AM.. |
03-24-2009, 01:36 PM | #3 (permalink) |
Junkie
Location: bedford, tx
|
I've heard that this 'act' implies some sort of forced service. I'm pretty sure this is inaccurate, right?
__________________
"no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him." |
03-24-2009, 01:55 PM | #4 (permalink) | |
Location: Washington DC
|
Quote:
I think it might have a provision to undertake a "study" on the merits and practicality of mandatory national service...and thats what has some up in arms.
__________________
"The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire |
|
03-24-2009, 02:01 PM | #5 (permalink) | |
Asshole
Administrator
Location: Chicago
|
Quote:
__________________
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo |
|
03-24-2009, 02:41 PM | #6 (permalink) |
Junkie
Location: bedford, tx
|
then i guess if that ever becomes serious, i'll worry about it then.
__________________
"no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him." |
03-24-2009, 07:32 PM | #8 (permalink) | |
Junkie
Location: Indiana
|
Quote:
The 'organizations' in the amendment from what I've been reading refers to the people in these corps. It seems the bill is talking about about 1 in 100 to 1 in 50 people in America being involved in them. So this group wouldn't be allowed to "influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing." With the economy going the way it is and the mandatting of teaching about these 'corps' groups in schools, it's going to be a very convenient thing for youngsters to join. If not required after the study is completed.
__________________
It's time for the president to hand over his nobel peace prize. |
|
03-24-2009, 08:20 PM | #9 (permalink) | |
Crazy, indeed
Location: the ether
|
Quote:
|
|
03-25-2009, 03:32 AM | #10 (permalink) | |
Junkie
Location: bedford, tx
|
Quote:
__________________
"no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him." |
|
Tags |
act, amendment, give |
|
|