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12-09-2008, 08:34 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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Illinois Gov. Charged With Trying To Sell President-Elect Obama's Former Senate Seat
Governor Is Held In Inquiry Into Filling Obama's Seat click to show If the Feds' allegations correct, then what he did was breathtaking in both its audacity to try this, as well as his stupidity to try this. Now that he's been charged, does he have to vacate his seat as Governor? Does he still have the authority to appoint a senate replacement for Pres.-Elect Obama? Does this give Jesse Jackson, Jr. a shot at being appointed, or does this change anything at all?
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12-09-2008, 08:38 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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We here in Illinois knew Blago was going to go down soon for something...but I must admit I'm pretty shocked and incensed that this bastard had the audacity to try and sell Obama's senate seat after he had been brought up in Tony Rezko's trial and was put on the Feds radar. Hopefully they find enough evidence for the other things he's suspected of as well.
As for what this means with regards to the senate seat, it's hard to say. Hopefully Blago will step down sooner rather than later so that Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn can name the appointment. Who that will be is anyone's guess now.
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12-09-2008, 09:09 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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Blagoevich is no Ray Blanton. I'm sitting at O'Hare, so I can't link to wikipedia, but that's my personal high water mark for corruption.
Honestly, I wouldn't have had a problem if he were just trying to get an ambassadorship for himself. That sort of horse-trading is ok so far as I'm concerned since its still public service and he couldn't do much harm. ALL the other allegations, though, bother me a lot. I read the indictment, and there are NO allegations that Obama knew anything about this, and its hard to see how he would given the way Illinois law works on replacing a senator.
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12-09-2008, 10:20 AM | #6 (permalink) | ||
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Step One: Sell Obama's Seat Step Two: If Step One fails, take seat yourself. Step Three: Run for President in 2016 Step Four: ?????? Step Five: PROFIT!!!! Quote:
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Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator Last edited by QuasiMondo; 12-09-2008 at 10:22 AM.. |
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12-09-2008, 12:08 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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Yeah, but how much bad could he have done as ambassador to Lichtenstein, Liberia or Mongolia?
UN ambassador is something completely different, as I think you're seeing with Obama raising back to Cabinet-level. How long until Blago resigns? Does he last the week? Wait to be impeached? This is going to be nuts!
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12-09-2008, 12:14 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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one can only hope that somehow this comes with some backlash against daley as well.
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12-09-2008, 12:37 PM | #9 (permalink) | |
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Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator |
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12-09-2008, 12:43 PM | #10 (permalink) | |
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It's looking more and more likely that we'll end up having a special election for senate. This should be interesting!
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12-09-2008, 12:56 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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The Lt Gov will only become Gov if Blago is removed or resigns. It's very unlikely he will resign, and it's very questionable whether or not he will be removed before a replacement is needed. Senator Durbin has called for the state legislature to pass a law creating a special election, considering the circumstances now surrounding this appointment. The indications are that the legislature may do just that.
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12-09-2008, 02:46 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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A special election makes alot of sense, but will Republicans in the legislature go along?
The person appointed by Blago and having to run in 2010 as the Senator appointed by the state's sleaziest governor would be a bitch of a burden to carry in a campaign.
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12-09-2008, 03:07 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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The U.S. Senate will not seat a Blago appointment, even if he makes it.
Impeachment proceedings take time, and no one is interested in waiting months until all of that is done for Lt. Gov. Quinn to take over and make the appointment. A special election makes a lot of sense. As for the Republicans, a special election wouldn't be terrible for them either because they can ride on the wave of disgust over Blago, who is a Democratic governor. Rekna: I find your opposition to a special election interesting. Why not have a special election? As a Democratic-leaning resident of Illinois, I think a special election is the best way to go, and I say this knowing full well that it could lead to a Republican senator taking over when the seat was otherwise guaranteed to be held by a Democrat.
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12-09-2008, 06:24 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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Ah, Blago. You know, just when I felt like my home state wasn't quite measuring up in the corruption category, our dear governor steps up to the plate and really hit one out of the park.
Everyone - EVERYONE - in Illinois has seen this day coming for three years. Honestly, the only part I'm surprised by is selling the Senate seat. Incidentally, the people I really feel bad for are his kids. Blago lives a couple of blocks from my parents' house, and the only time I met the man was when I gave his kids candy on Holloween. It looks like both Blago and his wife might go to jail, and his kids are going to suffer because of it. I was talking to my dad as he drove home from work, and he said that there were 15 news vans parked outside his house. Poor kids.
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12-10-2008, 10:48 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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First, I generally don't like "sting type" operations by government. I think they should act on real crimes. Certainly conspiracy to do illegal activity can be a crime, but in this specific issue regarding the IL Senate seat, I think we really need to see the case being made by the government before making judgment. On the surface a senate seat does have value and it is not uncommon for political favors to be exchanged between politicians. Even at the Presidential level candidates negotiate what they may be willing to do, for example, in exchange for an endorsement. Usually it happens in a manner that is implied rather than expressed. If the only thing the governor is guilty of is saying the appointment has value and that he expects something in return but never made any expressed demands, I am not sure there is a good case against him on that specific issue. From what I have read they do have enough on some other issues to make a good case of corruption against the governor.
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12-10-2008, 01:10 PM | #19 (permalink) | |
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12-10-2008, 01:17 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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Reading today that my current jerk of a congressman is considering running if there's a special election, I'm inclined to agree
Actually, I'm kidding, it just means I'll vote against him a second time within one year. It's true that it would be expensive, but I can't think of a better way to ensure that our new senator is cleanly picked and unencumbered by the idiocy of Blago. Lt. Gov. Quinn has come out in support of a special election as well, so it doesn't seem he has much interest in making the pick.
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12-10-2008, 03:30 PM | #21 (permalink) |
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Goddamnit, say it ain't so.
Offiicials Say Jackson, Jr. Was 'Candidate 5' In Case click to show
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12-10-2008, 03:33 PM | #22 (permalink) |
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Remember, all we have is what Blago said. Fitzgerald made it very clear that Jackson and the others are not targets of the investigation. That said, we'll see how this all plays out. For now, I see no reason not to give Jackson the benefit of the doubt.
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12-13-2008, 11:21 AM | #23 (permalink) |
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The news coverage of this is making me sick. The right wing is trying desperately to link this to Obama though there is no evidence nor even suggestion from anyone involved in the investigation that Obama was involved. They have even tried to coin the phrase blagogate.... give me a friggen break...
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12-14-2008, 07:21 AM | #24 (permalink) | |
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So, why don't liberals take the "advice" given to Bush during his "scandals"? Let's put everybody under oath, ask them very detailed questions, and if they get it wrong charge them with perjury. Worked on Libby.
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12-14-2008, 08:00 AM | #25 (permalink) |
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Yeah it worked so well on Libby Bush pardoned him.
Using the six degrees of separation game like this you can connect almost anyone in politics to this scandal. The question isn't whether he's connected to this- it's whether he or any one in his staff have engaged in inappropriate actions.
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12-14-2008, 08:02 AM | #26 (permalink) | |
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Libby was charged with perjury and obstruction of justice because the jury determined that he lied and impeded the FBI investigation! But you know better than the jury.
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12-15-2008, 08:26 AM | #28 (permalink) | |||
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Do you support Emanuel being placed under oath and possibly being set up for a perjury charge? Do you acknowledge the fact that Fitzgerald could easily set Emanuel up for perjury? Is that acceptable to you? -----Added 15/12/2008 at 11 : 35 : 26----- Quote:
One thing I am not clear on. I lived near Chicago an I am familiar with Chicago politics, but I am not really familiar with inside the beltway politics. So, is Obama bringing Chicago big league cronyism/corruption style politics to Washington or is Obama going to the big leagues of Washington cronyism/corruption style politics from Chicago?
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And stop with the bullshit the Lbby was set up for perjury. Its simple to avoid perjury......TELL THE TRUTH!!!!
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12-15-2008, 09:22 AM | #30 (permalink) |
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I remember a statement from the Obama camp that they had no contact with the governor regarding the Senate seat, then I heard there was. Which was the lie?
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12-15-2008, 09:52 AM | #32 (permalink) |
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The extreme right wants Obama to be corrupt so badly that they can't even take a fair look anything he does or doesn't do. Fortunately something like 80% of the population currently approve of Obama so it seems to me that the extreme right has been very limited in their influence.
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12-15-2008, 10:30 AM | #33 (permalink) |
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BLAGOJEVICH: They are unwilling to give me anything but appreciation. Fuck them! I’ve got this thing and it’s fucking golden, and, uh, uh, I’m just not giving it up for fuckin’ nothing. I’m not gonna do it. And I can always use it. I can parachute me there, motherfucker Obama… Fuck him. For nothing? Fuck him.
That, said in a conversation he wasn't aware was being recorded, was all I needed to vindicate Obama. I don't think this can be lumped in the Hannity-esque "I'm questioning his character judgment" attack - I don't see these two being terribly close.
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12-15-2008, 11:30 AM | #35 (permalink) | |
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12-15-2008, 11:57 AM | #36 (permalink) |
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I thought I made it clear that I was not saying he broke any laws, most Chicago politicians stay within the law. However, I grew up about 30 miles outside of Chicago, I saw Chicago news on TV daily, I listened to Chicago Radio, I read Chicago Newspapers, and read books written by Chicago insiders (One of the best was Mike Royco, a columnist for the Trib before he died, he wrote opinion pieces and books, a true insider with a good use of humor, he won a Pulitzer Prize) and in my experience and based on what I know a Chicago politician can not be a true independent, he can not exist without being beholden to someone. In order to get in the game you have to play the game, your connections and exchanging favors is everything. You have to have a toughness and be willing to do what needs to be done to win.
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12-15-2008, 12:22 PM | #37 (permalink) |
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So you think Obama is in the pocket of someone else? That is funny because what I have read has said Obama owes less favors than any of our recent presidents because he raised his money primarily from individuals instead of lobbyists.
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Obama owes Rev. Wright but I would not say he is in Wright's pocket. I think Obama owes Emil Jones but I would not say Obama is in Jone's pocket. That just two. Here is a quote regarding Jones and Obama:
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What do they know today that they did not know last week? If they can go far enough to say nothing happened illegally why can't they say what they know now? I guess we will findout, perhaps on X-mas eve (slow news day with most focusing on the holiday).
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12-15-2008, 01:55 PM | #39 (permalink) |
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Because the US Attorney has asked them not to... Do you think they should interfere with the requests of the US Attorney? I know that interfering with investigations is par for the course when it comes to this last administration but that doesn't make it right.
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12-15-2008, 02:07 PM | #40 (permalink) |
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You really should read Audacity of Hope, ace. I know it might be nothing more than opposition research to you, but I think it'd be worth it. The first chapter discusses the very thing you're talking about, from the politics of the 60s to the politics of Chicago. He isn't ignorant of his roots, nor his city's history.
It's awfully pie-in-the-sky for someone so jaded (realistic, depending on how you look at it) to believe that someone could rise to power outside of the power-brokering you rightfully believe exists, but keep in mind that there are still plenty of people who rightfully have the audacity to hope for something abnormal in our world of politics (like intellectual honesty).
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