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Police: 'Inconsistencies' In Story Of Politically Motivated Attack - Pittsburgh News Story - WTAE Pittsburgh

Does this story seem plausible or odd? I do'nt want to say it sounds like someone is looking for fame bc i'll feel like shit if it turns out she was assaulted, but there are enough inconsistencies that the PD is currently administering a lie detector evaluation.


i just have a hard time with stories like these bc i've known crazy peopel who would mug someone, then see something and fly off the deep end and i've known crazy people who would mutilate themselves if it furthered their cause...


i'm a bit conflicted, but i do'nt know how many people walk around with knives dull enough to NOT break the skin or hte care necessary to 'carve' something like that in someone's face w/out causing much if any bleeding. i'm not 6'4, but i know i can do more damage with a random stick on the ground vs a metal blade.

Anyway, if this thread needs to be moved, please do so, i just felt it belonged in politics bc it's either a dem or republican nutjob, depending on which way you lean for the story.

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It's sketchy. It's yet to be vetted. I question why she didn't immediately go to the hospital.

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She's a volunteer for the McCain campaign from Texas. Seems like some of the Pitt press is skeptical.

Ben Smith's Blog: The letter 'B' - Politico.com

Glory's Sun

this could easily turn out to be a 'hurry up and make obama supporters look like bad people, before our own people do the assaulting' tactic.

fuck.. I have no idea. I'd like to see this vetted before I cast any judgement.

hopefully this didn't really happen.

Poppinjay

Police say evidence gathered from the ATM machine makes her story "inconsistent".

I'm guessing that would be video.

There's also a pic....



It may just be me, but if somebody were trying to carve a letter in my cheek, I would have to be knocked out. That's a pretty well-defined B.

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Paq

yea, the pic seems reaaaallly sketchy and anyone assaulted would 'hopefully' seek medical attention...i don't see a logical reason why she would refuse. at all. unless she thought a doctor would look at it and say , "sorry miss, are these self inflicted"
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the other thing is that she said the guy straddled her chest, so the B is backwards...very odd..

some were saying he may have had her head between his knees looking down her body, so the B is written from upside down...

and others say "gee, look in a mirror and it is right"

i would hate to be this skeptical, then learn it really happened like she said...

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It's a crock. The ATM photos have now been seen and she didn't make a withdrawal.
Police say inconsistencies in McCain worker's story

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filtherton

Apparently, she's recanted.

kdka.com - McCain Campaign Worker Confessed To Making Up Story Of Attack

Poor kid.

Frosstbyte

I think this is a good time for slow, sarcastic clapping. Just pathetic.

Willravel

Desperation on the part of the campaign or honest emotional instability? Can't say for sure.

Paq

oh that is paaaaathetic.

drudgereport.com hasn't retracted yet...

oh, and i think it's just an unstable young lady

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I just heard that she recanted.

I'm struggling to understand WHY someone would fabricate such a vicious crime. Attention? Racism? I'm sure what actually went through this young woman's mind is much more complicated than any one-word answer....I'd interested in whether or not she'll make a statement.

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Catdaddy33

I hope they come down hard on her. Making up a hate crime is serious business, and considering it was regarding an already heated election that makes it even worse.

Paq

well drudge changed the headline to "SHE MADE IT UP"

ww

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She has to be stupid... she even carved the B backwards. I bet you right now she is wishing she carved an O instead...

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What a freakin' tool.

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LOL, people will never cease to amaze me.

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Seriously?

The McCain campaign is so desperate that they're sending 20 year old campaign workers to Pittsburgh, with the express purpose of self inflicting wounds and blaming it on a physical attack by a thugish Obama supporter?

Really?

Let's just go with the honest emotional instability and be done with it.

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I don't think he meant that anyone sent her to do this, but instead that she took it upon herself to become a rally point for the campaign.


Also, she's nuts.

kurty[B]

My thoughts exactly. If the McCain camp was willing to go that far to make Obama look like a bad person they would probably be inducing Bristol into premature labor, then claiming the newborn baby is in NICU and may not make it. And grandma dearest needs to take time away from the campaign to console and comfort her family. Then, newborn baby would tragically die, and grandma dearest would be so grieved that she reluctantly bowed out of the campaign and Mitt Romney became the new Republican VP hopeful to save the day and the election!

I mean, if we're coming up with crackpot conspiracies like the McCain camp sending people to other cities to carve letters backwards in their face, the above is not so unbelievable either?

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Aww, come on folks. Don't be cruel. Just let 'er be.

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Paq

i would, but i first came across this story in the gym yesterday when this lady walked in wearing a 'country first' shirt with 30 mccain/palin buttons on her bag yelling how "those stupid N((((((( were attacking honest, hardworking people who happen to be mccain supporters.." and she went on to eloquently explain how she was voting just to show them who's boss.

Seriously.

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ahh paq

don't you love living in the south??

I thought I had heard Nigger quite alot.. I was wrong. I've never heard it so much since Obama won the nomination.

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On the bright side, with a bit of makeup and some bumper stickers you can now create a provocative and attention grabbing Halloween costume in mere seconds.

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matthew330

I call bullshit on this one. If that really happened, it was probably the same liberal plant who said Obama was an Arab. I can't recall the last time I heard a non-liberal say or refer to the term "nigger".

Willravel

I'm sure John McCain is actually a liberal plant too, considering he was directly quoted saying, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

Enjoy voting for a liberal.

filtherton

Well, as one man, clearly your experiences comprise a representative sample of the entire population.

mrklixx

Ok, let me get this straight:

Either Paq is a liar, or "they" are sending out "liberal plants" to random gyms accross the country, paying for their gym memberships, and telling them to spout off racist comments, because racism doesn't exist?!?

And when somebody decides to kick the crap out of them, do they flash some sooper sekrit handsign or codeword so that they are identified as a "liberal plant" and not a stupid racist, because of course they don't exist.

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Just dropped in to say : seriously matt? where do you live? I can think of several times in just the past year or so that I've heard the term thrown around, and usually by "non-liberals."

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Paq

matthew, i don't know what you're calling BS on. I was simply waiting in the gym so i could teach my class when this lady started talking to the front desk girl and me and this story developed. I thought it sounded horrific, but also seemed to smack of something screwy. I also thought it was a local story, so i looked through my local newspapers thinking it'd be frontpage news..then i searched nationally and found the story.

gucci, i don't hear it often when i'm out in public, so it caught me offguard..especially since my class is generally 50/50 white/black, so this lady's statements were woefully out of place and i'm shocked nobody called her on it. I think they were just as shocked as i was about the sotry and didn't quite catch what she was saying. i'll see her again and give her a copy of the 'psycho girl recants' article.

oh, and i'm so proud i got my family to stop saying the N word....seriously, the south is changing, so it does come as a surprise when i hear it in something other than a rap song, especially in public...That being said, this is about the 30th time i've heard the quote, "Im not votin for that n******" so i tell them not to vote. It's kinda sad, though, that a lot of these people have never voted before and plan on voting now bc they can't stand the thought of obama in office...

oh, and if it's not 'that n((((), " it's "that terrorist" or "that muslim" or, in mccain's terms, "that One"


bc apparently they are interchangeable.

Ahhh living in the south..such a great place....i swear, though, it really is getting better, but i know the secret service is working overtime.


oh, and matthew, did you see the full video of the 'liberal plant' who said obama was an arab?

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this is kinda fucked up. obviously. and it's strange to find folk making an allegory out of it

McCain Volunteer's Claim of Attack Unravelled, Online and Off | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

the only interesting thing to arise from this otherwise squalid and ugly little affair is that folk across the political spectrum were inclined to call bullshit on it.


there are jokes to be made about liberal plants.
i just can't figure out how to make them and stay within the rules of this game.
it's a shame.

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sapiens

I think that John Moody overestimates the power of this hoax.

Paq

sapiens, i think he overestimates the power of what this could mean, but this is like the 10th story of a radical mccain supporter doing or saying something just insane. although i think this takes it to a whole new level. a whooole new level. it's easy to scream stupid shit at a rally, but mannnn..


however, if she was half sane, she'd just have a likeminded friend beat her up and carve a B in her face..heck, it doesn't even have to be a friend.

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I hate to spoil all the fun, but I'm the one that attacked her. Take that liberal plants!

And also:

The irony is almost unbearable.

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matthew330

Call me naive, I find it incredibly hard to believe that a public gym (where you work not to mention), your front desk girl could somehow strike up a conversation where the clientel didn't think twice about invoking "nigger" into a conversation at a conversational tone that people who weren't involved could hear it - oh, and look at that, she was covered in McCain stickers. Not buying it.

On the slight chance that story is %100 accurate, it disturbs me more that you saw it as an opportunity to come tell your TFP friends "ohh looky, we all talk about this all the time, but here's another fun story of how McCain supports are racist and like to use the "N((((((((((((((((" word, rather than chalk it up as some crazy bitch that doesn't represent anyone (except for the fact she did have McCain plastered on her, 30 times - I suppose that's pretty convincing).

And therein lay may problem, this is another clear example of how liberals use the black experience for political purposes, regardless of whether or not this story is true. That happens much more than some McCain supporter" walks into a gym and yells "nigger". I guarantee you.

I'll actually add that what you're doing is 100 x's worse because you're obviously much smarter than this chick, have more influence with average people, and you should frankly know better.

dc_dux

WTF....racism is still an issue in America because liberals bring attention to it.

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roachboy

jesus, matthew, i worry about you.
i worry that among the consequences of seeing the world upside down is that all your blood will rush to your head and that bad things will follow from that.

if i understand the scenario you are arguing for---you think there's an Evil Liberal Genius Figure who is Hellbent on fucking with Righteous Conservatives.
this Evil Liberal Genius Figure is also obsessed with conservatives because, at this point, conservatives are that Important--an idea that is funny in itself.
because the Evil Liberal Genius is out there, and is obsessed, it follows that he or she would would designate Decoys or Shills whose sole function is to generate the types of events that you imagine the Evil Liberal Genius would want to see in order to thrash effectively the Righteous Conservatives, who are Regular Folk and so do not have the advantage of their own Good Genius who can designate Decoys or Shills whose sole function is to generate the types of events that you imagine the Good Conservative Genius would want to see so as to trash effectively the Evil Liberal Genius and everything that Evil Genius stands for.
so this non-event and the context this non-event necessarily refers to are all the results of the operations of some Evil Liberal Genius who only exists to fuck with people like yourself.

so in the end, it is a problem of a Genius Gap that explains the reality that conservatives like yourself have brought on yourselves.

and that Genius Gap is obviously an expression of the larger Persecution that has befallen the Righteous in these Degenerate Times as a result of the Evil Liberal Media and the Pointy-Head Conspiracy of the Coastal Elites and all that.

and you even try to run a reverse version of this paranoid scenario on paq.

all this while hanging upside-down.

it's impressive. i would think xanax would be less work. but hey, different strokes...

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Paq

umm, dude, it's an omni gym, the front desk girls talk to EVERYONE who come in. I work there as an instructor 1-5 hrs a week, depending, and people come in and unload their shit at the front desk all the time bc it's that type of club. also, if it helps, the club is in SC and in a decidedly republican part of the state...well, not so much now, but generally...

i don't get where you're coming from here. If the reverse were true, i'd be spouting it too, "Oh damn, this obama supporter with a 'change' shirt came in with 30 obama stickers talking about how someone was mugged and had a J carved into her cheek, said she wasn't voting for the old fart just to keep them in line'.. old fart is closest i can come

and i'm in the chris rock boat...i don't get offended hwen i think racism exists, i get offended when i find people who think it doesn't exist. Maybe it's from living as a white in a black neighborhood, maybe it's from working at an upper middle class place that only hired blacks to wash dishes (one who actually worked his way up to grill cook, but is an exceptionally amazing cook, so hard to overlook) or maybe it's that i dated a girl who had only seen 1 black family for the first 17 yrs of her life while living in pa and was amazed at the cultural difference..amazed enough to actually lock her car door when she saw someone walking down the street.

like i said, i'm not shocked when i see it anymore, i'm shocked when i find out people don't think it still exists.


Now, when i see a middle class lady in a mccain shirt with a bag loaded with mccain stickers who spouts a story she heard on the radio then spouts a racial epithet in relation to how she's going to vote..am i going to think "gee, this woman who has been coming here for at least a year is a shill for a campaign or 'gee, this woman is upset at what she heard and is going a bit too far with her position by using some derogatory language" She's just a normal gym goer, has her 3 yr old in the daycare, is a normal person in every other circumstance. I've seen her before, never spoke to her, but when the 4 of us were in proximity, this all came about. I don't think i fully understand what you're saying.

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matthew330

......despite that very smart sounding rebuttal, its empty. If you can't see my point, I wouldn't call you evil, but certainly are not a genius (someone get roach a chair). It was amusing to see the left through your eyes though. I got you to not only NOT say conservativeland 50 times, but replace it with Evil Liberal Genius Figure.

I would like to point out again though - I never even hinted that I thought liberals were geniuses, that came from you. Was that whole thing just an opportunity to call yourself a genius? FYI, if your going to attempt a realistic effort at seeing yourself through my eyes....drop the "genius".

dc_dux

mathew....until the last of the deniers (mostly on the right) can acknowledge that racism still exists in America and stop characterizing it as a tool of liberals for "political purposes", the problem wont go away.

It doesnt take a genius to see through your blame game.

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