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Old 10-02-2008, 05:45 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:45 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:46 PM   #43 (permalink)
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As a note, will, that seemed pretty much what both of them said. It appears that all 4 of them have an identical (to me unsatisfactory) positions on gay marriage.

(In reference to Palin/McCain differences).
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:46 PM   #44 (permalink)
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We'd be surrendering to Putin, as he rears his head over Alaskan airspace.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:46 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:46 PM   #46 (permalink)
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How long is the debate?

I wish I could see the feedback meters you guys have... I'm watching a webcast since I don't have a TV.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:47 PM   #47 (permalink)
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How long is the debate?
About 90 minutes.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:48 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Feedback meters clearly show that women think Biden is dreamy.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:48 PM   #49 (permalink)
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It lasts for 90 minutes if it's like the first one, meaning we're a minute or two over halfway.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:48 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Now she's sounding like Bush.

Even the "nuculur."

She's repeating things Bush has said on Iran.

And she uses appeal to emotions far too much.

This is gross.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:48 PM   #51 (permalink)
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That's interesting -- so he is apparently avoiding the perception of being overbearing and threatening to Palin?
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:50 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I'd tear her apart piece by piece. I'd make her cry. Why? Ignorant hubris.

EDIT: YES! FINALLY! Biden knows Ahmadinejad is a figurehead.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:51 PM   #53 (permalink)
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And she uses appeal to emotions far too much.

This is gross.

agreed. she's definately going for that
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:54 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I 'm about to throw up...
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:56 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Didn't Palin say she supported Hamas accidentally in the Couric interview? Now watch her state nothing of consequence about Israel.... oh, no, she wants to attack Obama instead of answering the question. "Our country comes first" has nothing to do with Israel, nitwit.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:57 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Now she's sounding like Bush.

Even the "nuculur."

She's repeating things Bush has said on Iran.

And she uses appeal to emotions far too much.

This is gross.
It's irritating, but then there are all the northern leaders that cannot pronounce the letter "R". It drives me up the wall. How many Kennedy's said "Chiner" (China) and Q-ber (Cuba)?... Dan Akroid used to mock Jimmy Carter saying nuculer as well.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:57 PM   #58 (permalink)
 
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i had a phone call so i missed most of this
what is she talking about?
i don't understand what she's saying.
isn't this a question about nuclear weapons?
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:58 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Palin's lost already.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:00 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:03 PM   #61 (permalink)
 
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she's trying to hang with biden on afghanistan? why? she doesn't have the basic facts in place to do this.

this interventionist question is interesting---biden is at least sucking it up and not ducking it. this is one reason i was not happy with the choice, btw.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:03 PM   #62 (permalink)
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@ottopilot: I don't get the relevance.

@roachboy: Indeed. It's refreshing to see him take the question with a nod to being wrong previously.

The audience polls are vastly different now. Biden is maxing out with both sexes and Palin's pretty low with both, averaging the middle.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:04 PM   #63 (permalink)
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I don't think it's a landslide yet Will, but I think biden is in the lead
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I have to say, what I like about Biden is that he is playing the role of both a supporter and an independent leader. Palin seems to be just playing defender of McCain.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:09 PM   #64 (permalink)
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And attacker of Obama.

SHE WINKED AGAIN!
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:12 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:12 PM   #66 (permalink)
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...I didn't just hear a shoutout.

On the other hand, the audience liked it
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:13 PM   #67 (permalink)
 
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i'm watching on c-span

i dont understand this baroque non-sequitors that palin keeps dropping.
when she gets all populist, she seems to get kinda caught up in visualizing what she's talking about.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:18 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Non-sequitors, appeals to emotion, hokey language...that's what you have to look forward to with a McCain/Palin administration.

Wouldn't that be refreshing?

Wait a minute....
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:19 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Palin is so fucking annoying. I have nothing else to add.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:22 PM   #70 (permalink)
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First I've heard of Biden's family. Nice to know Palin's not got a monopoly on emotion.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:22 PM   #71 (permalink)
 
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he just wiped the floor with her on this last populist "i'm a regular person too" thing.

this is not fun to watch at this point.
i'm wondering if "i love money" is on.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:23 PM   #72 (permalink)
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he just wiped the floor with her on this last populist "i'm a regular person too" thing.
That was really emotional - I agree, totally wiped the floor with her there.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:25 PM   #73 (permalink)
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He seemed genuine; Palin seemed fake...like she was trying to hard to win "hearts and minds."
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:28 PM   #74 (permalink)
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@ottopilot: I don't get the relevance.

@roachboy: Indeed. It's refreshing to see him take the question with a nod to being wrong previously.

The audience polls are vastly different now. Biden is maxing out with both sexes and Palin's pretty low with both, averaging the middle.
It was based on one of Biden's comment at that very moment.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:35 PM   #75 (permalink)
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Not gonna lie, I kinda tuned out the past 15 minutes or so. Information overload and I felt myself reacting with quite a bit of bias.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:38 PM   #76 (permalink)
 
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comportment wise it was more professional than i expected for some reason.
i think i missed some carnage (iraq)---it seemed that palin is a nicer person than i had imagined who is more out of her depth than i had imagined.

she dissociates well.
biden answered questions well.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:41 PM   #77 (permalink)
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This was the first time I've heard Biden speak. I was impressed. He seems quite vice-presidential. He sometimes went too much into specifics, but not quite far enough to his detriment.

Palin didn't embarrass herself, but her overall performance was disappointing. She dodged and distracted too much. She was too vague.

If you review this, I'd think you could say Biden is the clear victor.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:42 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:43 PM   #79 (permalink)
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Biden was easily the victor and was far more knowledgeable, however, Palin did not have any major gaffes or blank stare at the camera in confusion moments. I think she did what she had to do and has restored a lot of her credibility.
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