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Cynthetiq 09-26-2008 04:57 PM

McCain vs. Obama Debate Live Discussion
 
Okay... I'm sitting here waiting for the debate. I didn't think I was so interested in watching it, but with all the finance stuff going on... I'm a bit more interested in what they have to say.

So me, Skogafoss and the MIL have some Italian pasteries from Rocco's Pastery Shop in Greenwich Village...

Jozrael 09-26-2008 04:58 PM

Ty, I had forgotten honestly since normally I wouldn't have been home. When does it start again?

EDIT: Also, we doing this in the chatroom? I'm there :D I'm watching nbc...is there a better station for this?

Both had nice intros. Props to both of them.

Manic_Skafe 09-26-2008 05:15 PM

"Fundamentally"

snowy 09-26-2008 05:20 PM

I'm chowing down on a fat burrito from Qdoba, yum yum, and watching it live. We walked by a local coffee shop with a TV at 6, and I was surprised to see it was packed with college students watching! Amazing!

Fotzlid 09-26-2008 05:22 PM

Damn it.... I wasn't watching the time...only missed the first 20 minutes...

Jozrael 09-26-2008 05:22 PM

I didn't know a lot of these jabs he's giving at Obama. This debate honestly is giving me a lot of the 'other side' that I haven't been hearing.

That being said, I still think I prefer Obama's tax program.

Charlatan 09-26-2008 05:25 PM

Just finished breakfast and watching live on cnn.

snowy 09-26-2008 05:27 PM

McCain is really focused on those earmarks. It's like he's only got one note.

Jozrael 09-26-2008 05:28 PM

Each of them are focused on their own points it seems to me.

Charlatan 09-26-2008 05:45 PM

they should focus on their points... that is the point.

Jozrael 09-26-2008 05:48 PM

Ouch. xD.

So who do you think has the better stance on Iraq? McCain wants to 'win', Obama wants to gtfo and worry about ourselves first.

Honestly I'm with Obama because I've read that the Iraqi government has asked us three times now to kindly wipe our feet on the way out, and we're refusing. Smacks of imperialism to me if we keep on remaining.

Manic_Skafe 09-26-2008 05:49 PM

I want to see blood already - no more of this pussyfooting.

Jozrael 09-26-2008 05:50 PM

Who do you think has the better composure? I think they're both about equally flawed. Both interrupt/continue at about the same rate. McCain seems to just repeat the same rhetoric while Obama improvises a bit more, but Obama resigns himself to just saying 'that's not true' while McCain's talking a lot.

Major points lost there by Obama from me bout his stance on Pakistan. I know it's a rough choice to make, but I don't think we can deal with invading a sovereign nation like that. I'd feel too much like Russia.

I mean honestly, how much is killing Osama actually going to do? His supporters aren't going to suddenly start liking America :p

Paq 09-26-2008 06:02 PM

Umm...wasn't osama the reason we got in there in the first place :)

seems we forgot about that

guyy 09-26-2008 06:05 PM

What's with all this General Petraeus says this, General Petraeus says that? If Petraeus is hobnobbing with McCain and the GOP, he needs to be canned.

thespian86 09-26-2008 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onesnowyowl (Post 2533052)
I'm chowing down on a fat burrito from Qdoba, yum yum, and watching it live. We walked by a local coffee shop with a TV at 6, and I was surprised to see it was packed with college students watching! Amazing!

"That our flag... was... still... [crying] still... THERE"

I'm proud of people my age too. Except most of them just blindly love Obama. It's better then not being interested at all.

Willravel 09-26-2008 06:06 PM

Obama has called McCain "Tom" and "Jim". It's not important, but it happened.

John McCain has lied several times.

Jozrael 09-26-2008 06:08 PM

@Pag: I'm aware of what Osama did. Doesn't change the fact that Pakistan's military has orders to open fire on American units that continue to do air raids into their country due to us killing a village of innocents in the mountains by mistake. Obama's saying we should ignore that, McCain's not. In my eyes, Obama just lost points. Not enuff to change my vote, but still.

@Guyy: General Petraeus: The guy leading the forces in Iraq. He's not 'hobnobbing', but providing info to the general public through publicly released statements that these two guys are quoting.

Roffles. Obama just shot down McCain's accusation of contact with Iran without preconditions. I suppose he should listen to his own advisors a bit more :p xD.

Willravel 09-26-2008 06:12 PM

Good on Obama. Kissinger was clear about needing to talk with Iran without preconditions.

Edit:citation for Kissinger: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._/ai_n24939107

Jozrael 09-26-2008 06:13 PM

Roffles. I thought Obama was talking a bit too much about 'when I'm President'. McCain made a funny ^^.

Willravel 09-26-2008 06:16 PM

John McCain may have known Kissinger for "30 years" (wrong), but he's dead wrong about this.

Charlatan 09-26-2008 06:19 PM

It's been interesting to the audience graphic on the bottom of CNN's screen.

The red has been in general support of a lot of what Obama has to say.

Paq 09-26-2008 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jozrael (Post 2533073)
@Pag: I'm aware of what Osama did. Doesn't change the fact that Pakistan's military has orders to open fire on American units that continue to do air raids into their country due to us killing a village of innocents in the mountains by mistake. Obama's saying we should ignore that, McCain's not. In my eyes, Obama just lost points. Not enuff to change my vote, but still.

@Guyy: General Petraeus: The guy leading the forces in Iraq. He's not 'hobnobbing', but providing info to the general public through publicly released statements that these two guys are quoting.

Roffles. Obama just shot down McCain's accusation of contact with Iran without preconditions. I suppose he should listen to his own advisors a bit more :p xD.

i misread what you were saying, sorry.

still i mainly am saying, why have people forgotten about OBL...almost completely

Willravel 09-26-2008 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan (Post 2533078)
It's been interesting to the audience graphic on the bottom of CNN's screen.

The red has been in general support of a lot of what Obama has to say.

Thanks for the heads up! :thumbsup:

Jozrael 09-26-2008 06:25 PM

I agree that Osama's been largely forgotten by the public: not much we can do about that.

Thanks for that comment, Charlatan. I switched channels.

Charlatan 09-26-2008 06:26 PM

The red didn't blip from the middle when McCain brought up off shore drilling... interesting

Willravel 09-26-2008 06:27 PM

John McCain is dying on 9/11. It was stupid to say that he thinks that we're safer.

Jozrael 09-26-2008 06:28 PM

Why? Isn't he right? I'm sure that we're much more aware of our own mortality.

On the other hand, the world situation is much less stable.

EDIT: Yea, the Repubs are certainly approving a LOT of what Obama has to say. Not gonna lie, that cheers my heart. Unfortunately, I see a lot of Dem dipping before McCains even really started to speak :\. Come on libs!

Willravel 09-26-2008 06:29 PM

We're not safer because global terrorism is up. Look at what's happened after 9/11: anthrax in the mail, snipers, attacks on our allies...

Edit: every time McCain says "Obama doesn't understand..." his numbers drop off considerably.

tisonlyi 09-26-2008 06:32 PM

Did I just hear an old man frantically, excitedly enthuse over Star Wars?

Jesus H Christ.

Jozrael 09-26-2008 06:34 PM

That's the name of our missile defense system. (As a note, I was distracted from the debate for a minute so I could be mistaken and that he's actually talking about the movie series).

EDIT: As a note, I think the polls are clear which candidate the audience in general favors.

tisonlyi 09-26-2008 06:36 PM

Reagan + SDI in the same sentence.

Google that sir, that's Star Wars.

The man is living in 1980 + 9/11 +Surge.

Baraka_Guru 09-26-2008 06:36 PM

How does McCain do it? He's a hawk pulling on heartstrings.

Paq 09-26-2008 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tisonlyi (Post 2533089)
Did I just hear an old man frantically, excitedly enthuse over Star Wars?

Jesus H Christ.


QFT


and thanks for the CNN head's up. the lines are very interesting. most of the time, it seems people rae split when mccain speaks and generally approve when obama speaks...

except for obama's last little speech. mccain, on the other hadn has all three lines below the halfway point. ...

wow.

Willravel 09-26-2008 06:38 PM

Wifey time!

Charlatan 09-26-2008 06:38 PM

McCain looks very old and his wife looks like she's ten.

Cynthetiq 09-26-2008 06:39 PM

eh.... i found it really boring

tisonlyi 09-26-2008 06:40 PM

There was only one president on offer there.

The manic look in McCain's eyes as he got the opportunity to regurgitate the decades old dogma was horrifying.

Reaganomics - dead.
Reagan Diplomacy - dead.
Reagan - dead.

Does McCain realise that wasn't the "Reagan-off" republican primaries?

The Horror.

Willravel 09-26-2008 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tisonlyi (Post 2533098)
There was only one president on offer there.

The manic look in McCain's eyes as he got the opportunity to regurgitate the decades old dogma was horrifying.

Reaganomics - dead.
Reagan Diplomacy - dead.
Reagan - dead.

Does McCain realise that wasn't the "Reagan-off" republican primaries?

The Horror.

Hallelujah!

Jozrael 09-26-2008 06:49 PM

I found it quite enjoyable to listen to Cynth, but then again I guess I'm not following the campaigns as closely as I could have. I feel Obama won, but McCain did rather well.


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