Tully Mars

I don't know. Either "horseshit" of "course not." Either way it was a pretty big gaff by him at the time and his staff, instead of just admitting he misspoke, claimed he knew exactly what he was talking about. Which just makes him look more crazy.

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Ah, it's just a noisy bird... cackles a bit like a crow, at least in my mind.
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Yeah, I caught on to the whole "I'm gonna say "Reagan" until I'm blue in the face" thing--but I just couldn't believe he was talking about that shit. I guess it's all connected, for him.

Where are our conservative TFP'ers to comment on the debate? I'm interested to hear their perspectives... probably very different from mine!

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Oh, I'm sure. Both candidates completely played to their bases, and hoped to tip some of those undecideds (I HATE the phrase "Regan Democrats"). Polling this morning seems to indicate that Obama stole some undecideds, but it wasn't real decisive. But I expect that those predisposed one direction or the other will be unswayed by the debate.

archetypal fool

#2 is priceless. In McCain's mind, "if Pakistan doesn't agree to go after Bin Laden or Al Qaeda, then we should take them (Bin Laden/Al Qaeda) out," = "we're going to attack Pakistan." There were a few other times where McCain distorted Obama's position on the fly (he must be used to it from doing it so much in his campaign commercials), and I'm elated that Obama caught him and corrected him on the spot. I'm with ratbastid - I wish he'd made a bigger deal about the distortions.

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highthief

Only saw about 20 minutes of this - the Iran part, where McCain couldn't pronounce the Iranian president's name.

Thought they both looked a bit fake, with both vaguely resembling the Joker (Jack Nicholson version).

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tisonlyi

I don't think Obama can go after McCain too aggressively.

McCain's issues as an angry old man are one thing, but it'd be the end of the election if Obama is ever seen to have an angry black man moment.

IMHO.

Actually, McCain's whole posturing towards Obama might be in an attempt to produce just such a moment. Disrespect (no eye contact, derisory 3rd person), Distortions and Downright lies... hoping to push Obama's temper and switch all those "middle-ground", "I'm not racist, but" types into solid McCain or not-voting types. Oh, and give the noise machine something to repeat ad nauseum for a month.

Conspiracy!

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Tully Mars

Ok, thought I was going to have to toss on my Romeos, hop in my rig and go for a looper to ponder the meaning.

Here's an Oregon red-neck translator to help you if that didn't make a lot of sense-

Funny how different regions use different terms and speech.



Someone might want to mention trickle down economic hasn't worked out so well for the masses.

And TFP doesn't seem to have very many conservative members.

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This might not be the place to put it, but if there's one things that has always been universal, it's corporate greed. Give money to the rich... and that's where it stays. Otherwise they wouldn't be rich. Reaganomics is a sham, every bit as idealistic as absolute communism. I'm glad that Obama touched on that, and quickly shot down McCain's "we have the highest tax rate for corporations, so we need to pull them down" bullshit.

And I suppose it's tough being the minority - especially in a site that caters to very opinionated people.

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I was just saying since the first part of the debate focused on the current economic crisis I fell like Obama could have hit harder with the whole de-regulation trickle down theory BS. Seemed to me like he may have missed an opportunity.

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I really liked the format of this debate. The candidates were able to take the time to make their points.

And I don't think either of them won. They explained their plan and their goals for the next administration well. Now, who you liked better might have done better in your mind, but I'm sure the other side will say their person did better. If someone 'won' it means that they had the better ideas and direction for the country. And I don't think I got that from what they said last night compared to their platforms.

I was impressed that Obama was on-board with nuclear and off-shore oil drilling. I'm not a big fan off off-shore drilling (Especially if we aren't reducing our imports by the same amount), but nuclear power and fuel life cycles need to be looked into more.

Willravel

I kept waiting for Obama to say "trickle-down". He said "bottom up" at least twice. It's long been time to call Reaganomics what it really is: corruption disguised as poor economic theory. It's the creationism of economics.

tisonlyi

Supply-side economics can work, but cometh the good-times, you have to pay down the debt as far as possible.

Keynesian in a crash, tax-cutting and increasing spending in the good times is, was and ever will be a recipe for disaster.

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ottopilot

Let's not forget to find a way include Haliburton in this discussion.

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Paq

i thought i heard trickle down once before obama said bottom up.

trickle down=they are even telling you they are pissing on you

i'm kidding, but it's a hard theory to buy into

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Tully Mars

We could go that route. But why? Haliburton was never even mentioned.


Did you watch the debate? If so, what did you think of the debate?

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Sun Tzu

IMO the elections keep getting worse as far as candidate selection. Once again there will only be two candidates (BS!!!) I wont be voting for him, but I thought Obama clearly won the debate, funny how Fox put McCain as the winner. (I do think his wife is hot- PFLMILF, and all the free beer one could ask for? Im jealous).

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Tully Mars

Ok, I'll bite... what the hell is a "PFLMILF?"

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Potential first lady?

Cynthetiq

soon she'll be a GILF

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jorgelito

I thought Obama did very well. He very much earned my respect. He held his own with dignity, grace, and integrity. I loved his explanations and I was satisfied with them. McCain is just confusing and he is losing my vote more and more each day.

The debate was very well moderated and I feel like the audience came out the true winners.
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Agreed. Except I felt Obama "won".

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Is there a transcript for this debate? I didn't get to see it, and as I am a little hard of hearing, a transcript would be great.

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jorgelito

Here you go, take your pick:

The Ticket's complete McCain-Obama debate transcript, Sept. 26, 2008 | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

Transcript of presidential debate - CNN.com

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Makedde

Thank you so much!

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reconmike

I watched, both catered to their base, Obama= more giveaways, McCain= more Bombs.

Obaman did a lot of agreeing with McCains policy on the middle east.

Who won? Depends on if you were watching through elephant shit, or jackass shit tainted glasses.

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flstf

I don't think either won big either. The debate probably did Obama some good since some of the voters who think he is an Islamic terrorist might have some reason to doubt now. Not that they would vote for him anyway but it may give them pause before trying to convince family and friends of his evil intentions. I don't think the debate did him much good with the religious right who think he is the Anti-Christ though, they probably think he is just using a smooth approach to help Satin get power.

These debates don't do much except let people see who looks presidential. The composed Obama came out on top here but because he is black and has a funny name it is probably even.