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Seaver · 08-29-2008, 08:17 PM

Not changing the way I'm voting... but then again neither did the Obama pick.

However... I'd hit that in a heartbeat.

Charlatan · 08-29-2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaver

However... I'd hit that in a heartbeat.

You have a thing for Soccer Mom's?

Willravel · 08-30-2008, 10:35 AM

If my teenage daughter ever became pregnant, I would show her the love and support she deserved instead of teaching her to be ashamed and lie about it.

This photo was taken 6 weeks before the birth of baby Trig:
All abuzz about Palin: Alaska News | adn.com

Edit: Governor Sarah Polin's teenage daughter became pregnant, but instead of supporting her and teaching her there is no shame in the miracle of birth, she asked her to keep it a secret. Governor Polin lied about being pregnant and will raise her grandson as her own son in order to try and save her political career.

Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before this came out. I sincerely hope that her daughter is left alone by the press.

ratbastid · 08-30-2008, 11:04 AM

Let's stop pretending your opinion or mine is the "right one" about who's inexperienced and who's not, and let's listen to the expert opinion of presidential historians and scholars.

Scholars question Palin credentials

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John McCain was aiming to make history with his pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and historians say he succeeded.

Presidential scholars say she appears to be the least experienced, least credentialed person to join a major-party ticket in the modern era.

So unconventional was McCain’s choice that it left students of the presidency literally “stunned,” in the words of Joel Goldstein, a St. Louis University law professor and scholar of the vice presidency. “Being governor of a small state for less than two years is not consistent with the normal criteria for determining who’s of presidential caliber,” said Goldstein.

“I think she is the most inexperienced person on a major party ticket in modern history,” said presidential historian Matthew Dallek.

(Lots more behind the link above. And not partisan raving--the actual opinion and analysis of actual real historians.)

telekinetic · 08-30-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Seaver

Not changing the way I'm voting... but then again neither did the Obama pick.

However... I'd hit that in a heartbeat.

Any takers for a VPILF shirt? Now that we have tilted marketplace, I was thinking about making a run of them...

Tully Mars · 08-30-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

If my teenage daughter ever became pregnant, I would show her the love and support she deserved instead of teaching her to be ashamed and lie about it.

This photo was taken 6 weeks before the birth of baby Trig:
All abuzz about Palin: Alaska News | adn.com

Edit: Governor Sarah Polin's teenage daughter became pregnant, but instead of supporting her and teaching her there is no shame in the miracle of birth, she asked her to keep it a secret. Governor Polin lied about being pregnant and will raise her grandson as her own son in order to try and save her political career.

Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before this came out. I sincerely hope that her daughter is left alone by the press.

Is this a known fact or a mere rumor? Seems like the McCain camp would have vetted well and found this is it were fact and not fiction. Not like this would play well at all with the core base she's been brought on to help win.

Of course what's fact any m ore is highly debatable. CNN was running the part of her speech from her announcement this morning where she states she was against the bridge to no where. They never mentioned she previously publicly supported it.

Willravel · 08-30-2008, 11:26 AM

The McCain camp was surprised by his decision and only had a matter of days to vet. They got the thing about her ex, but missed the biggy.

Tully Mars · 08-30-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

The McCain camp was surprised by his decision and only had a matter of days to vet. They got the thing about her ex, but missed the biggy.

Her ex?

I heard something about her brother-in-law and some firing scandal. Haven't heard about the Ex yet.

Been reading about her ideas regarding energy policy. If you loved the way things have gone under Chenny you'll really like her.

Willravel · 08-30-2008, 11:39 AM

She tried to get her ex-husband fired. It's not the only time she's used her position to try and settle personal scores.

Tully Mars · 08-30-2008, 11:51 AM

Hmm, even the Daily Kos is claiming the pregnancy rumors are unfounded:

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[EDIT] Removed references to the pregnancy rumors of Gov. Palin's daughter. Appear to be unfounded.

Daily Kos: State of the Nation

Willravel · 08-30-2008, 11:55 AM

http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/03/...ffiliate.7.jpg
This photograph seems pretty conclusive. 6 weeks before the baby was born.

Tully Mars · 08-30-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/03/09/01/687-3504039.standalone.prod_affiliate.7.jpg
This photograph seems pretty conclusive. 6 weeks before the baby was born.

I disagree. I think with the vest it's impossible to tell which person looks more pregnant. Palin looks like a naturally slender lady. I've seen countless photos of celeb's that didn't look very pregnant only to read the caption and find they're 8mos along.

I just don't think that photo's enough evidence to say one way or the other.

Don't get me wrong, no way I'm voting for her or McCain. But I don't think that photo proves anything.

highthief · 08-30-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/03/09/01/687-3504039.standalone.prod_affiliate.7.jpg
This photograph seems pretty conclusive. 6 weeks before the baby was born.

I don't know much about US politics or the VPILF candidate in general, but if you think the daughter looks 7 months pregnant there, I'd suggest you're wrong.

The girl is wearing a tight top, has a womb, as most women do, but surely doesn't look 7 months pregnant. Meanwhile, the VPILF is wearing a loose top and is hiding her stomach.

The kid also apparently has Down syndrome? Much more common amongst older mothers.

If you were contemplating hiding your kid's pregnancy, can't see that you'd line up for a family photograph unless she was wearing a full burqa.

Not saying what you suggest is not possible, but if that's all the evidence, it's preciously thin.

ASU2003 · 08-30-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

She tried to get her ex-husband fired. It's not the only time she's used her position to try and settle personal scores.

I think it is her sister's ex-husband. And I think what has been said is that he said he wanted to kill their father. It's not a good idea to have a police officer that is threating people.

host · 08-30-2008, 02:37 PM

Seems like a great sense of judgment.....involve her sixteen year old (2005) son in her sister's domestic war, and conduct her own questionable surveillance, too:

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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/45694.html

....Palin was interviewed by troopers too.

"Mike in the conversation never did get to the bottom of what, what the foundational issue he was dealing with, he just kept screaming, "I'm gonna F'n kill your dad if he gets an attorney to help you," Palin told troopers, according to the transcript.

Track told troopers he heard the comment, too.

Palin drove over and watched through the window. She and McCann both said Wooten was all wound up. A neighbor who stood watch as well later told troopers that Wooten looked angry but that McCann wasn't cowering or anything.

Wooten told troopers he never said anything like that about his father-in-law.

The investigation concluded he did. It wasn't a crime, because he didn't threaten Heath directly. But it did violate trooper policy, the investigation found....

Mods...2nd pic is of same folks in upper pic, upper pic links here:

http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/pict0210.jpg

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McCain’s Perfect Choice for a Running Mate: Governor Sarah Palin The Tizona Group

Daughter Bristol , in photo allegedly from Feb., 2008, seems to have suddenly enlarged breasts.... and most photos available yesterday at the AK gov's site....like the top one in this post....are inaccessible now.

Just sayin'.....I don't have a horse in this race....imo, both major candidates and their VP picks are of the same. right wing "property party"....hideous, disappointing choices intended to represent "change", but for the purpose of insuring that there will be almost no change in Amerika.

Tully Mars · 08-30-2008, 03:15 PM

Wow! A teenage girl's breast get larger, can't think of anyway that could happen other then her being pregnant.

Seriously none of these women look very pregnant to me. Maybe that'll be the next rumor- the family secretly kidnapped a down syndrome baby.

Rekna · 08-30-2008, 03:37 PM

Right now these are just rumors and should be treated as such. However, if Palin would like to quiet the rumors there is a very easy way. She would just need to take a paternity test and make the results available. That would be the quickest way to nip this in the butt before the rumor mill gets started.

dc_dux · 08-30-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rekna

Right now these are just rumors and should be treated as such. However, if Palin would like to quiet the rumors there is a very easy way. She would just need to take a paternity test and make the results available. That would be the quickest way to nip this in the butt before the rumor mill gets started.

IMO, there is no excuse for this kind of rumor mongering....just as there is no excuse for the rumor mongering about Obama being a secret muslim or having a forged birth certificate, etc.

Both sides should say STOP!

host · 08-30-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

IMO, there is no excuse for this kind of rumor mongering....just as there is no excuse for the rumor mongering about Obama being a secret muslim or having a forged birth certificate, etc.

Both sides should say STOP!

hey _dux! Palin is repulsive in her "mission" to set women's reproductive rights in the US back fifty years. I consider her a radical fringe political operative of a fascist ilk. I think she was appointed as chum in the water in the process of McCain's fishing for the votes of people who identify with Palin's 19th century POV..... they are either so ignorant in their misguided zealotry...or worse....they don't give a shit that the results of their influence falls hardest where it always does....on the least of us....the ones who the courts were intended to protect from the majority and those with outsized power and influence..... 87 percent of US counties have no abortion services...and these monsters never let up for a minute on the poor, rural, resource impaired, while the wealthy are never deterred or even affected.

Fuck the McCain campaign.... I have as much compassion for them as they plan for the least of us in our country.

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washingtonpost.com

...Serrin M. Foster, president of Feminists for Life, a nonpartisan group to which Palin has belonged since 2006, said the governor's sudden political ascent demonstrates how women are making gains, regardless of their ideology. "The early feminists worked for the rights of women to vote and our right to life," Foster said yesterday. "This is one more step in a long march for women's history." ...

At the top of the "non-partisan" Feminists for Life - Women Deserve Better is:
FFL Member Nominated for Vice President of the United States - Feminists for Life of America
FFL Member Sarah Palin Nominated for Vice President of the United States

From page 16 of the newsletter:

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http://www.feministsforlife.org/taf/...inter97-98.pdf

“birth control counselling and abortion often indirectly contribute to the victim’s sense of shame, guilt, and blame for what is happening, since she is told to “take control” and “be responsible” for her “sexual activity,” implying that this situation is indeed within her power to control.”

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Feminists for (Fetal) Life
Feminists for (Fetal) Life
subject to debate
By Katha Pollitt

August 11, 2005

....I got similarly evasive answers when I asked why FFL didn't promote birth control, and when I asked if FFL considered the pill an "abortifacient." She did tell me that "birth control doesn't work" for swing-shift nurses because they lose track of their body clock--interesting, if true--or for teenagers, which I know to be false. "We just want to focus on meeting the everyday needs of women," she told me. But when I asked how the everyday needs of women with unwanted pregnancies would be served by encouraging them to bear children and place them for adoption, Foster didn't answer. Instead, she extolled the benefits of open adoption. ....

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What ‘Feminists For Life’ Hide

“The new pro-choice/pro-life battle is over the right of Americans to use birth control and Feminists for Life has clearly taken its side. By not supporting contraception, Feminists for Life backs an agenda that has failed everywhere it is been tried.”

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Feminists for Life of America

Leaving abortion aside for just a moment, even most forms of contraception invade the woman's body, not the man's--and in more cases than we want to admit, scar and irrevocably damage those bodies. (Even condoms, the one "male" form of contraception, usually end up being the woman's responsibility--survey after survey shows that it is invariably women, not men, who are responsible for purchasing condoms.)

Feminists for Life of America - Pro Woman Pro Life

FFL is concerned that certain forms of contraception have had adverse health effects on women.

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Article | The American Prospect

When Feminists for Life has chosen to address the issue of contraception, it has invariably been to point out the health hazards posed in particular forms of birth control.

The battle to ban birth control | Salon Life

there is evidence to suggest that even the mainstream anti-choice groups are ready to make the battle against contraception part of their agendas. Many of the National Right to Life Committee state affiliates have opposed legislation that would provide insurance coverage for contraception. Iowa Right to Life even lists a host of birth control methods -- including the pill, the IUD, Norplant and Depo-Provera -- as abortifacients. [Editorian note: "Feminists for life" use the same term, "abortifacients" --cishart]

You Don't Know Feminists for Life | Columbia Spectator
.... What Serrin Foster will not be advertising during her campus visit is that Feminists for Life is opposed to contraception. On this point, her organization and the rest of the pro-life movement is unified: most pro-life groups in the United States are anti-contraception.

Today, pro-life groups are reclassifying the most common contraception methods, including the birth control pill, the patch, the intrauterine device, and Depo Provera, as "abortifacients," claiming, with no scientific backing, that they cause abortions. On its Web site, Feminists for Life lists emergency contraception as an abortion method. If this were true, Feminists for Life must also consider 40 percent of all birth control methods as abortion methods too because they have the same mode of action as emergency contraception....

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Ideology Should Not Play a Role in Reproductive Rights | Reproductive Justice and Gender | AlterNet
Ideology Should Not Play a Role in Reproductive Rights

By Cynthia L. Cooper, Women's eNews. Posted August 13, 2008.

A political shift to the right has imperiled reproductive rights in many states.

...Abstinence Class in 27 States

Georgia is among 27 states that continue to use abstinence-only programs, for which the federal government allocated $176 million in fiscal 2008, despite a congressionally mandated scientific review that found them ineffective in delaying sex. Georgia does permit its more than 180 school boards to choose "abstinence-plus" education, which may describe contraception......

...Publicly funded family planning clinics in Georgia provide contraceptive care to 200,000 women, including 56,000 teens, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization in New York. But that helps less than half of the 490,000 women who need the services, Guttmacher estimates.

In its most recent analysis, the Guttmacher Institute found that 92 percent of Georgia counties had no abortion provider in 2005, compared to none in 87 percent of all counties in the United States. Nearby Mississippi has only one abortion clinic.

In 1999 Georgia adopted one of the earliest and best laws on equitable insurance coverage for contraceptive drugs and devices. Twenty-six other states now have similar contraceptive equity laws.

D-Grades for Reproductive Rights

But as of January 2008, the Washington-based abortion rights lobby NARAL Pro-Choice America marked Georgia with "D" on its state report card. The nation as a whole earned a D-minus.

"What's really changed in the past 10 years is the political landscape," said Nancy Boothe, executive director of the Atlanta Feminist Women's Health Center.

Since 2000 the state's political leadership has shifted to the right. The governor, lieutenant governor and speaker of the house are all Republicans endorsed by Georgia Right to Life. Majorities in both houses of the state legislature are anti-choice, as are both Republican U.S. senators, Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson......

highthief · 08-30-2008, 04:35 PM

Democratic swift-boating, maybe?

Seaver · 08-30-2008, 04:46 PM

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Wow! A teenage girl's breast get larger, can't think of anyway that could happen other then her being pregnant.

Quoted for truth.

A girl has a pudge and enlarging breasts.... and this is news?

Apparently you've never seen a girl who is 7 months pregnant.

Does not equal

http://tizona.files.wordpress.com/20...h_palin_02.jpg

host · 08-30-2008, 04:50 PM

Palin, on March 14, five weeks before delivery:

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http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/345168.html

Daughter from another angle:

http://www.valdezlink.com/re/media/palins.gif

Lots of sudden routine growth....compared to shot that Seaver reposted.....or?

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Originally Posted by highthief

Democratic swift-boating, maybe?

Not even close ....this started four months ago as an almost immediate reaction to the way Palin appeared, combined with the way she conducted herself and communicated:

Note the date:

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Cover-up? Alaska Gov. Palin (R) announced she was pregnant. Local rumors suggest she is covering up for her 16 y/o daughter. : reddit.com

Cover-up? Alaska Gov. Palin (R) announced she was pregnant. Local rumors suggest she is covering up for her 16 y/o daughter. (self.politics)

submitted 4 months ago by jibegod to politics

ratbastid · 08-30-2008, 05:01 PM

There are SO many SO much more significant objections to this woman than this ridiculous baby-swap nonsense.

dc_dux · 08-30-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by host

hey _dux! Palin is repulsive in her "mission" to set women's reproductive rights in the US back fifty years. I consider her a radical fringe political operative of a fascist ilk. I think she was appointed as chum in the water in the process of McCain's fishing for the votes of people who identify with Palin's 19th century POV..... they are either so ignorant in their misguided zealotry...or worse....they don't give a shit that the results of their influence falls hardest where it always does....on the least of us....the ones who the courts were intended to protect from the majority and those with outsized power and influence..... 87 percent of US counties have no abortion services...and these monsters never let up for a minute on the poor, rural, resource impaired, while the wealthy are never deterred or even affected.

At the top of the "non-partisan" Feminists for Life - Women Deserve Better is:
FFL Member Nominated for Vice President of the United States - Feminists for Life of America
FFL Member Sarah Palin Nominated for Vice President of the United States

host...I agree with all of this, including "attacking" her on her membership in the FFL and her extremists positions on women's rights.

She should be "attacked" on her supposed earmark reform credentials. She supported the federal pork funding for the "bridge to nowhere" when campaigning and only ended the project when Congress refused to provide additional funding.

She should be "attacked" on her alleged abuse of power by firing the Police Commissioner who refused to fire her former brother-in-law in a bitter divorce dispute with her sister.

These are policy issues or issues of professional integrity...neither one is rumor mongering .

There is nothing to be gained by resorting to gutter politics like questioning the birth of her last child.
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It is also fair to question her readiness for the job when the two top state Republican elected officials have questions:

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State Senate President Lyda Green said she thought it was a joke when someone called her at 6 a.m. to give her the news.

“She’s not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president?” said Green, a Republican from Palin’s hometown of Wasilla. “Look at what she’s done to this state. What would she do to the nation?”

***

State House Speaker John Harris, a Republican from Valdez, was astonished at the news. He didn’t want to get into the issue of her qualifications.

“She’s old enough,” Harris said. “She’s a U.S. citizen.”

One guy who is probably smiling somewhere is Dan Quayle. He is no longer the VP nominee considered by the American voters to be the least qualified person of any nominee of either party in recent campaigns.

The_Jazz · 08-30-2008, 05:33 PM

You all know that pictures of kids aren't allowed here. Regardless of how "newsworthy" you think they are, they have no place here. Links are fine but pictures aren't.

I'm removing the pictures in question now. Please do not insert pictures of kids again.

Tully Mars · 08-30-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaver

Quoted for truth.

A girl has a pudge and enlarging breasts.... and this is news?

Apparently you've never seen a girl who is 7 months pregnant.

Does not equal

http://tizona.files.wordpress.com/20...h_palin_02.jpg

Yes, but a lot of women seven months along don't look like this. I don't think mom looks that large either. But I DON"T CARE. Mom could have had the kid, the daughter could have had it, doesn't mean a thing to me. Sounds like a family issue. Seems like a silly topic.

My interest in her is solely in her ideology and policy positions. Most of which I completely disagree with it. In fact in all my reading today I haven't found one issue I agree with her on. From energy to womens rights to education I disagree with her, completely.
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Originally Posted by dc_dux

host...I agree with all of this, including "attacking" her on her membership in the FFL and her extremists positions on women's rights.

She should be "attacked" on her supposed earmark reform credentials. She supported the federal pork funding for the "bridge to nowhere" when campaigning and only ended the project when Congress refused to provide additional funding.

She should be "attacked" on her alleged abuse of power by firing the Police Commissioner who refused to fire her former brother-in-law in a bitter divorce dispute with her sister.

These are policy issues or issues of professional integrity...neither one is rumor mongering .

There is nothing to be gained by resorting to gutter politics like questioning the birth of her last child.
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It is also fair to question her readiness for the job when the two top state Republican elected officials have questions:

One guy who is probably smiling somewhere is Dan Quayle. He is no longer the VP nominee considered by the American voters to be the least qualified person of any nominee of either party in recent campaigns.

Yep.

ASU2003 · 08-30-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

If my teenage daughter ever became pregnant, I would show her the love and support she deserved instead of teaching her to be ashamed and lie about it.

This photo was taken 6 weeks before the birth of baby Trig:
All abuzz about Palin: Alaska News | adn.com

Edit: Governor Sarah Polin's teenage daughter became pregnant, but instead of supporting her and teaching her there is no shame in the miracle of birth, she asked her to keep it a secret. Governor Polin lied about being pregnant and will raise her grandson as her own son in order to try and save her political career.

Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before this came out. I sincerely hope that her daughter is left alone by the press.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/...ca8e9d0c_o.jpg

Take a look at my picture. Who is holding the baby? I'm going to sell it to the tabloids now.

I would hope if Sarah Palin wanted to cover it up, she would have at least gotten a pregnancy pillow to wear under her clothes for a few months.

I doubt this is true though, and I don't care either way.

Willravel · 08-30-2008, 06:01 PM

FYI, the child was said to have been born prematurely, but I'll let that topic rest for now.

She's used her position to exact personal vendettas, even her own party has admitted that she has basically no experience, choosing her is clearly a cynical attempt to get Hillary supporters, she's sold out to oil companies, she flip-flopped on the "bridge to nowhere", she has used illegal mailers in her gubernatorial campaign, she is against mine safety, she left her town's economy in shambles, she supports Obama's energy plan (not that I mind, but Republicans may not like that), she didn't support McCain in the primaries (same), and she's against birth control.

Seriously, they're trying to lose.

jorgelito · 08-30-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

IMO, there is no excuse for this kind of rumor mongering....just as there is no excuse for the rumor mongering about Obama being a secret muslim or having a forged birth certificate, etc.

Both sides should say STOP!

I agree wholeheartedly with your post. Count me in for "STOP"!

Derwood · 08-30-2008, 06:49 PM

Palin has lowest voter confidence (for a VP) since Dan Quayle:

Poll: Confidence in Palin low - UPI.com

Tully Mars · 08-30-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jorgelito

I agree wholeheartedly with your post. Count me in for "STOP"!

Yep

pan6467 · 08-30-2008, 09:22 PM

Wow..... and we wonder why we get the likes of Bushes, Clintons, Kerrys, Obamas, McCains, as nominees/presidents.

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Originally Posted by Willravel

If my teenage daughter ever became pregnant, I would show her the love and support she deserved instead of teaching her to be ashamed and lie about it.

This photo was taken 6 weeks before the birth of baby Trig:
All abuzz about Palin: Alaska News | adn.com

Edit: Governor Sarah Polin's teenage daughter became pregnant, but instead of supporting her and teaching her there is no shame in the miracle of birth, she asked her to keep it a secret. Governor Polin lied about being pregnant and will raise her grandson as her own son in order to try and save her political career.

Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before this came out. I sincerely hope that her daughter is left alone by the press.

I truly had a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for you Will until you did this..... I never expected you to stoop this low.

Jesus fucking Christ people, NOONE IN THIS FUCKING WORLD IS PERFECT. We all have skeletons and dirt. Do you want yours out?

If her daughter had the baby, who cares, but this day and age where ANYTHING can be photoshopped and distorted to make something innocent look like dirt so another party can win on scandal is pathetic.

It is one thing to judge a person by who they call their "Spiritual Leader" and the associates/friends they keep company with..... but to bring family into it crosses the line.

Doesn't anyone here think that if Gov. Palin did not have the baby and that her daughter did, people would have already known? Hell, sounds like she has made some political enemies that are mighty powerful in Alaska, I'm sure one of them would have already jumped all over that shit.

And for those salivating, believing this will hurt her....... it may have a reverse effect and have people feeling sorry for her for such a grotesque attack on a mother of a Down's syndrome baby.

So be careful what trash you choose to want to use against the other side..... it may backfire in ways that you may not recover from.

Willravel · 08-30-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

It is one thing to judge a person by who they call their "Spiritual Leader" and the associates/friends they keep company with..... but to bring family into it crosses the line.

Actually it's exactly the same thing, which is part of why I posted it. As soon as it popped up on the Daily Kos, I figured that this was going to be Palin's "secret Muslim" or "reverend wright". It's an exaggeration of something that has absolutely nothing at all to do with the person's ability to lead or perform in their role. If this is true (I really couldn't say if it is or isn't; there's some evidence but it's not conclusive) does that mean that she can't be VP? Of course not. I mean there's a laundry list of things that demonstrate that, but the hypothetical secret baby isn't one of them. It's personal, and it doesn't have any bearing on policy or ability to perform, just like the Wright thing.

Why don't I support her? When she ended her term as mayor, her town's economy was in shambles. She vocally opposes birth control, even among married couples. She is a creationist who believes that the bible should be in science classes. In an interview, she said that she doesn't know what a vice president does. There are plenty of perfectly rational reasons for me not to support her and that would be important if she were vice president.

Seaver · 08-30-2008, 10:15 PM

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As soon as it popped up on the Daily Kos, I figured that this was going to be Palin's "secret Muslim" or "reverend wright".

"Secret Muslim", yes. The lies spewed for political gains are a correct analogy.. "Reverend Wright" no... what was said concerning him and Obama's friendship with him are true.

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In an interview, she said that she doesn't know what a vice president does.

Humor did not cross your mind?

dc_dux · 08-30-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaver

"Secret Muslim", yes. The lies spewed for political gains are a correct analogy.. "Reverend Wright" no... what was said concerning him and Obama's friendship with him are true.

Seaver...true that Obama has dual loyalties or greater loyalty to Africa than to the US because of ONE small (and misunderstood) Afro-centric tenant in the church's mission? True that Obama is a racist because some are incapable of understanding the context of remarks made by his pastor? Both charges made by right wing media and blogs and regurgitated here in TFP (by one member in particular).

Bullshit!

Those who dont see the comparisons with the smears about Obama because of his membership in a church and his relationship with the pastor are devoid of any objectivity.

Willravel · 08-30-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaver

"Secret Muslim", yes. The lies spewed for political gains are a correct analogy.. "Reverend Wright" no... what was said concerning him and Obama's friendship with him are true.

They're equally irrelevant. Even if he was a Muslim, it has exactly zero bearing on what kind of president he will be.

I mean think about it this way, my dad's a pastor and I'm an atheist. At one point in my life, I was attending church every Sunday. Do you think that means I will forever agree with everything said on that pulpit?

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Originally Posted by Seaver

Humor did not cross your mind?

Oh, you haven't seen it. You're in for a treat:

Frosstbyte · 08-30-2008, 11:19 PM

Everything about that video terrifies me. Her, the interviewer, the answer, his response. Totally terrifying.

There is no humor in that response, and the full scope of what she says makes me sure that she is the absolute wrong person to be in that position.

I think I should send this to my mom to help explain to her why I'm feeling disenfranchised and disillusioned by American politics. Maybe it will help her understand.

flstf · 08-31-2008, 12:02 AM

I have a hard time believing that the McCain people would knowingly let her lie about the baby. Even if they made a hasty last minute decision to pick her for VP they must have known that the rumor about the baby being her daughter's was going on in Alaska for some time.

I'm curious, it is odd that she wants to teach creationism in school. Wasn't her father a science teacher?

Frosstbyte · 08-31-2008, 12:14 AM

Even if he did, as will said a few posts ago, what your parents do or think often hasn't the least bit to do with what you do or think.

Tully Mars · 08-31-2008, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by flstf

I have a hard time believing that the McCain people would knowingly let her lie about the baby. Even if they made a hasty last minute decision to pick her for VP they must have known that the rumor about the baby being her daughter's was going on in Alaska for some time.

I'm curious, it is odd that she wants to teach creationism in school. Wasn't her father a science teacher?

Hey I remember being in class back in the early 70's and we had a science teacher go point by point through the science book. This is how a tree grows, this is why the sky is blue, swells in the ocean becomes waves at the beach because of this etc... When it came to evolution and geography he didn't even have us read the chapters. He skimmed over what they said and stated these are just the latest "theories." I think the "Good News Club" teachers are probably able to give you more accurate information on these subjects. The "Good News Club" was one afternoon a week and nearly every student, including myself, would walk across the street to the church to learn the good news.

I went to a three room school east of Salem Or. The only kids I remember not attending the "Good News Club" were several kids whose families were Jehovah Witnesses. So basically one afternoon a week the school emptied and all the students attended church. Where, of course, we were told the earth was 6K old and created by God in six days etc...

I think her father and her could easily hold the same beliefs on creationism. The fact he's a former science teacher might not mean anything in this case.

08-29-2008, 08:17 PM	#201 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	Not changing the way I'm voting... but then again neither did the Obama pick. However... I'd hit that in a heartbeat. __________________ "Smite the rocks with the rod of knowledge, and fountains of unstinted wealth will gush forth." - Ashbel Smith as he laid the first cornerstone of the University of Texas

08-30-2008, 10:35 AM	#203 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	If my teenage daughter ever became pregnant, I would show her the love and support she deserved instead of teaching her to be ashamed and lie about it. This photo was taken 6 weeks before the birth of baby Trig: All abuzz about Palin: Alaska News \| adn.com Edit: Governor Sarah Polin's teenage daughter became pregnant, but instead of supporting her and teaching her there is no shame in the miracle of birth, she asked her to keep it a secret. Governor Polin lied about being pregnant and will raise her grandson as her own son in order to try and save her political career. Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before this came out. I sincerely hope that her daughter is left alone by the press. Last edited by Willravel; 08-30-2008 at 11:05 AM..

08-30-2008, 11:55 AM	#211 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/03/...ffiliate.7.jpg This photograph seems pretty conclusive. 6 weeks before the baby was born. Last edited by Willravel; 08-30-2008 at 02:39 PM.. Reason: just remembered the rule about no kid pics

08-30-2008, 03:15 PM	#216 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Wow! A teenage girl's breast get larger, can't think of anyway that could happen other then her being pregnant. Seriously none of these women look very pregnant to me. Maybe that'll be the next rumor- the family secretly kidnapped a down syndrome baby. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

08-30-2008, 04:35 PM	#220 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	Democratic swift-boating, maybe? __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

08-30-2008, 11:26 AM	#207 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	The McCain camp was surprised by his decision and only had a matter of days to vet. They got the thing about her ex, but missed the biggy.

08-30-2008, 11:39 AM	#209 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	She tried to get her ex-husband fired. It's not the only time she's used her position to try and settle personal scores.

08-30-2008, 03:37 PM	#217 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Right now these are just rumors and should be treated as such. However, if Palin would like to quiet the rumors there is a very easy way. She would just need to take a paternity test and make the results available. That would be the quickest way to nip this in the butt before the rumor mill gets started.

08-30-2008, 05:01 PM	#223 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	There are SO many SO much more significant objections to this woman than this ridiculous baby-swap nonsense.

08-30-2008, 05:33 PM	#225 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	You all know that pictures of kids aren't allowed here. Regardless of how "newsworthy" you think they are, they have no place here. Links are fine but pictures aren't. I'm removing the pictures in question now. Please do not insert pictures of kids again. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

08-30-2008, 06:01 PM	#228 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	FYI, the child was said to have been born prematurely, but I'll let that topic rest for now. She's used her position to exact personal vendettas, even her own party has admitted that she has basically no experience, choosing her is clearly a cynical attempt to get Hillary supporters, she's sold out to oil companies, she flip-flopped on the "bridge to nowhere", she has used illegal mailers in her gubernatorial campaign, she is against mine safety, she left her town's economy in shambles, she supports Obama's energy plan (not that I mind, but Republicans may not like that), she didn't support McCain in the primaries (same), and she's against birth control. Seriously, they're trying to lose.

08-30-2008, 06:49 PM	#230 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	Palin has lowest voter confidence (for a VP) since Dan Quayle: Poll: Confidence in Palin low - UPI.com

08-30-2008, 11:19 PM	#237 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	Everything about that video terrifies me. Her, the interviewer, the answer, his response. Totally terrifying. There is no humor in that response, and the full scope of what she says makes me sure that she is the absolute wrong person to be in that position. I think I should send this to my mom to help explain to her why I'm feeling disenfranchised and disillusioned by American politics. Maybe it will help her understand. Last edited by Frosstbyte; 08-30-2008 at 11:23 PM..

08-31-2008, 12:02 AM	#238 (permalink)
flstf Easy Rider Location: Moscow on the Ohio	I have a hard time believing that the McCain people would knowingly let her lie about the baby. Even if they made a hasty last minute decision to pick her for VP they must have known that the rumor about the baby being her daughter's was going on in Alaska for some time. I'm curious, it is odd that she wants to teach creationism in school. Wasn't her father a science teacher?

08-31-2008, 12:14 AM	#239 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	Even if he did, as will said a few posts ago, what your parents do or think often hasn't the least bit to do with what you do or think.