05-14-2008, 01:30 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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John Edwards Endorses Obama (Breaking News)
Headline on cnn.com right now. I'll add a link whenever they have a full story.
So, add Edwards' super delegates/supporters to Obama and Clinton is even more done than she was before. |
05-14-2008, 01:35 PM | #2 (permalink) | |
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0 superdelegates Not exactly the deal of the century, but every bit helps get the process over with. There's a story here: http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/ Interesting that Drudge has NOTHING about this at the moment. Looks like he got scooped. Also, here's a current scorecard, but it shows 18 delegates for Edwards. I'm not sure why there's a difference. This gives Obama a 189-pledged delegate lead and potentially enough to secure the outright nomination, although he already had that without the Edwards announcement.
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05-14-2008, 01:44 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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So a shyster who represents everything thats wrong with tort law in America and who's pursuit of personal wealth has led to uncounted unnecessary C-sections, directly harming and even killing women as well as increased medical costs across the country endorces Obama.
Well hes got that going for him.
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05-14-2008, 01:53 PM | #6 (permalink) | |
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05-14-2008, 04:26 PM | #7 (permalink) | |
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Amazing! More unexpected unity on TFP Politics!
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05-14-2008, 05:40 PM | #8 (permalink) | |
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05-14-2008, 07:07 PM | #10 (permalink) | |
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The question of why he waited so long is as valid on Edwards as it is on any other superdelegate. It's not like the pledged delegates he's sliding onto Obama's roster are such a big deal. But Edwards was holding out the same as so many other supers because they wanted to make sure they were coming down on the winning side. None of them are voting their convictions--it's all politics. |
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05-14-2008, 07:14 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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Edwards may have made $millions representing consumers in product liability and medical malpractice cases....
Major Cases Litigated by John Edwards...but that what a good advocate does and his clients were well served. He wont be Obama's Attorney General, but he might be on the short list for HHS (or HUD) Secretary. Quote:
I might be with Ustwo to some degree that we still need reasonable tort reform (we probably differ on what is reasonable). And Obama did break with the Dems (and the trial lawyers) and voted for the Repub sponsored Class Action Fairness Act of 2005
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05-15-2008, 04:57 AM | #12 (permalink) | |
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BTW - Drudge finally picked up the story and now he's opining that Edwards will be in the #2 spot on the ticket. Interesting thought, but I'm still hoping for Richardson.
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05-15-2008, 06:00 AM | #13 (permalink) |
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I can't imagine Edwards being #2 again. Obama's already strong in the south, particularly NC. Edwards wouldn't bring to the ticket what he was supposed to bring in 04.
I had a thought about this this morning. The timing of this CAN'T be accidental. I'd be willing to bet that Obama kept Edwards in his pocket to announce between his pre-ordained losses in WV and KY. It's a story-changer designed to break up the perception of Clinton momentum. I wouldn't be surprised if he's already got the needed superdelegates locked up and is dribbling out their announcements to keep up the perception of momentum. |
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05-15-2008, 06:35 AM | #15 (permalink) | |
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05-15-2008, 06:49 AM | #16 (permalink) | |
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The undeclared supers are going to be the decisionmakers, and I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if they're already secretly committed to Obama and being deployed little by little to shape the narrative. |
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05-15-2008, 06:56 AM | #17 (permalink) |
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I read the "total delegates" as "pledged delegates" and added that number to the superdelegates instead of subtracting. It's a little misleading, at least for me.
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05-15-2008, 09:01 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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Gotcha.
One correction to my above: Edwards is NOT himself a superdelegate. Congresscritters are supers only while in office, and former Presidents and VPs are lifetime supers, but not nominees who lost. Unless they're "party leaders". Supersdelegates are PLEOs (Party Leaders and Elected Officials, not this guy). So as a former Senator and one-time VP hopeful, Edwards doesn't get a vote at convention, but he does get to toss his elected delegates to Obama, which is like 15 times his single vote anyway. The other question I'm hearing asked is, why didn't he stay in the race but suspend campaigning? By now he'd have a couple hundred delegates just on the power of his base, and he'd be the kingmaker. |
05-15-2008, 09:03 AM | #19 (permalink) | |
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2) Sick wife. 3) Didn't foresee this possibility. Not many did.
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05-15-2008, 09:05 AM | #20 (permalink) | |
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05-15-2008, 09:11 AM | #21 (permalink) |
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He didn't take himself off the ballot. He pulled 7.3% of the results in West Virginia. He didn't pull his name off; he just shut down the campaign.
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05-15-2008, 09:36 AM | #22 (permalink) | |
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He wasn't on NC's ballot, I know that from personal polling place experience! |
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05-15-2008, 12:38 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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I'm sensing the general public perceives John Edwards as wealthy and artificial. Many on-the-fence voters see Obama as an intellectual elitist with a very liberal record. It may be more prudent to look for a more centrist choice for VP like (off the top of my head) Richardson, or a list of others. Heartland and crossover voters will think twice about pulling the lever for an Obama/Edwards ticket in a general election vs. McCain.
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05-15-2008, 12:46 PM | #24 (permalink) |
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i think you're dreaming, otto.
i think the republicans are in deep deep trouble because no matter what they say, they will take the hit for the bush administration. and i don't see an obama edwards ticket as likely, at least not yet. like alot of folk, i would prefer to see obama/clinton. it is of no consequence to me what the limbaugh set has to say about that possibility. but carry on.
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05-15-2008, 12:59 PM | #25 (permalink) |
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All I know is I'm totally excited about this news!! An Obama/Edwards ticket would be my dream. You feel that America, change is a coming!!! It is time for the American people to unite, and hopefully Barack will be the leader to bring us all together. I found the full video of Edward's endorsement speech that you can view below.
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05-15-2008, 02:35 PM | #26 (permalink) | |
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FTR - I'm not a McCain fan, and I view Rush Limbaugh (right) much like Michael Moore (left) as maximum on the buffoonery scale.
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05-15-2008, 03:06 PM | #27 (permalink) |
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Just for the record, I never thought Edwards was very impressive or that smart or innovative. He acts like he cares, esp. for the "blue collars" here in America. But in many ways he was always a "johnny come lately" HA, (sorry) couldn't resist that one....always waiting for more scholarly types to create the best sound bites and then jumping on board. He could be an ok Vice President though. No doubt he's up for that.
Luckily, at LEAST he's a Democrat. Good. But I think he's covering his butt to get on-board with the future President of the USA. He does stand a chance. Hmmmmm....now that I think about it, it makes me almost excited & glad that he could be a V.P.
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05-15-2008, 03:44 PM | #29 (permalink) |
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Hes a coward.
He waited until the 12th hour after the winner had been all but decided. Now he does so hoping for some sort of bone be thrown his way. Were Hillary the leader, I don't think anyone here would argue that Edwards would still have endorsed Obama. He would have done exactly the same thing for Hillary.
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05-15-2008, 03:51 PM | #32 (permalink) |
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That's not flaming. That's opinion. And I'd tend to agree with him on that. From all appearances, Edwards looks like he waited until the dust had settled before making a choice.
I don't know that that makes him cowardly but it certainly makes him look very calculating... I feel pretty strongly that had Clinton come out on on top he would have thrown his support behind her.
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05-15-2008, 03:53 PM | #33 (permalink) |
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Gotta side with Charlatan and Ustwo on that one.
Not that I'm sad Obama has Edwards' endorsement.
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05-15-2008, 05:35 PM | #35 (permalink) |
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05-15-2008, 07:06 PM | #36 (permalink) | |
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I'd liken it to keeping your powder dry until just the right moment, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the timing was directed by the Obama campaign.
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05-15-2008, 07:09 PM | #37 (permalink) | |
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After I made a simple observation about Obama/Edwards (per the OP), you supplied the strange offhanded remarks about republicans and Limbaugh. So what's your point? You're not sounding so 3-D on this one.
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05-15-2008, 07:37 PM | #38 (permalink) |
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I dont think Edwards' endorsement will do much for Obama in the long run....endorsement rarely do.
Obama still will need to personally make his case to those Democratic (and Indendent) blue collar white voters and seniors who have reservations. And he will need to do it in terms they can relate to, with specifics, and not just the theme of "change." He has plenty of time to do just that before November and I suspect he will make a strong case for himself, possibly with Edwards by his side in some states, and other well known supporters with him in other states. But I would be shocked if he would seriously consider Edwards for VP. My money for VP is still on an older white guy..with either a strong military/foreign policy background (Wes Clark) or a governor with executive experience.
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