05-07-2008, 10:06 AM | #41 (permalink) | |
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The only thing that yesterday truly changed is the media's willingness to continue to misrepresent Clinton's chances.
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05-07-2008, 10:11 AM | #42 (permalink) | |
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Obama now needs 172 total delegates to capture the nomination while Clinton needs 326. This means that Clinton has to win 68% of the remaining delegates if she is to pass Obama. Basically, she's going to go to superdelegates and say, "Please make me the nominee! Please please please! I really want it!" Ironically, the only way that she can win (barring a colossal collapse by Obama) is if the superdelegates overturn the decision of the voters. For a candidate talking about not disenfranchising voters, this seems a little disingenuous. |
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To help put the numbers in perspective, and explain why Clinton winning the nomination was nearly impossible after TX and OH, despite the large number of outstanding delegates available, here's an article from Columbia Journalism Review on the primary schedule, demographics, and the role they play.
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05-07-2008, 01:53 PM | #44 (permalink) |
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Newsnight is reporting that Hillary Clinton is almost finished and is close to pulling out... but who knows, maybe she can do some more damage to Obama yet?
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05-07-2008, 02:04 PM | #45 (permalink) |
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My guess is that Clinton will hang in for the remaining primaries through June 3, out of a sense of loyalty to her supporters.
But I think we will see a significant change in her tone and tactics that have been contributing to the divide within the party. Both she and Obama will now focus on McCain, rather than each other. On the VP issue, as much as I would like to see Richardson, I dont think Obama will go that route. Perhaps, Richardson as Sec of State. VPs dont matter much in terms of bringing voters to the candidate, other than by perception. And I think Obama needs to be perceived as being attentive to the Clinton voters - blue collar whites and seniors. Thats why I think Gov Strickland of OH might be a possibility, along with the fact that he is from a crucial state for Dem to get the electoral number needed. (Dem either needs to win OH or FL...or a combination of NM, CO, IA, VA). I still like Lee Hamilton, former congressman from Indiana and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission.....he brings even more foreign policy/national security credentials than Richardson. A new name being buzzed about is General Wesley Clark. Notice these guys - Strickland, Hamilton, Clark - all old white men....a reassurance for some voters.
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05-07-2008, 02:19 PM | #46 (permalink) | |
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05-07-2008, 02:30 PM | #47 (permalink) | |
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Hamilton also was co-chair of the Iraq Study Group that offered a reasonable strategy to get the US out of Iraq. As a VP, I could see him as Obama's point man on a redeployment strategy that will start bringing our guys home shortly after the inauguration.
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05-08-2008, 02:19 AM | #48 (permalink) | |
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05-08-2008, 03:38 AM | #49 (permalink) | |
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I do expect Obama to implement a strategy that will BEGIN the process of drawing down the 140,000+ troops in Iraq and BEGIN a much more active diplomatic process involving ME countries (Saudi, Egypt, Jordan and yes, Iran) towards political and economic stability and reconciliation. I expect that it will take more than a year, once the process begins, to reduce our presence in Iraq to a very small force level. The fiasco would be if Obama continued with the current Bush or McCain strategy in Iraq.
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05-08-2008, 05:26 AM | #50 (permalink) | |
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she and McCain are two of the worst public speakers i've ever heard run for a national office |
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05-08-2008, 11:05 AM | #51 (permalink) | |
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But they both sound like Porky Pig next to Obama. Man's presentation and delivery is OUTSTANDING. When I saw him I was literally in the back row of the top balcony of a 3000-person auditorium, and I swear he was talking to ME. |
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05-08-2008, 02:16 PM | #53 (permalink) | |
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05-08-2008, 02:59 PM | #54 (permalink) |
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RB, I disagree. Bush is a likeable personality.
He might be many things, and might have visited many ills on his nation, but he IS electable. Hillary Clinton is not.
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05-08-2008, 05:27 PM | #55 (permalink) | |
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05-08-2008, 05:37 PM | #56 (permalink) | |
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Bush wouldn't like me at all. But then I have a bad habit of telling people exactly what I think.
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05-08-2008, 06:38 PM | #58 (permalink) | |
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