ottopilot

In my experience, that is exactly what we stress in juvenile justice. But I wholeheartedly agree that we should be proactive with our children before they end up in jail. Many of these kids are so bent and so hardcore at such young ages. It's very sad and disturbing.

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Willravel

Whoa. Otto and I agree on something.

Whoa. Otto is a palindrome.

pan6467

I realized something looking at the title of this thread. One can see one of the major problems in this country.

Instead of praising the bill or vilifying it..... the OP decided to make it a "Another bill to make conservatives go apeshit".

It's not just this thread title but all over the media, here, practically everywhere. And that is very frightening.

If one goes by just the title to this thread, "Another bill to make conservatives go apeshit", one could reason the only reason the bill was written was to enrage one party, not to better the country.

When we take the title of this thread, it does nothing but egg conservatives to anger and almost an instinctual dislike of the bill. In doing so it could be a great bill (I think there is serious potential as I stated above), but you already pissed off one side and now, the bill is not seen for what it may be but rather as "Another bill to make conservatives go apeshit". Thus starting an argument and debate over a bill that may not have had any true opposition to begin with.

This in turn makes people look at it, what it costs and then get riled up and thus it becomes a bigger issue than it ever would have been.

The GOP does it to.

Very interesting.

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ottopilot

Yes ...

I'm a staunch independent. We actually agree on a lot. I even agree with some of what host and co. say. I tend to stay out of most issues I agree with or have nothing to add. I'm very misunderstood (crying)

No, I have great respect for many on TFP ... from ustwo to roachboy.

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dc_dux

The thread title was inappropriate and for that I apologize.

There was apparently a WH bill signing this morning (yes, a bill can be signed while the Pres is overseas).

A press release (hard copy only so far) made mention of a model program in Memphis conducted several years ago (with a general DOL grant and matching local funds) which served as a framework for this program:
The problem (well, just one problem) I have with the Pres is that he may sign a bill indicating his support, then doesnt include funding for programs in those bills in his budget.

He did that with No Child Left Behind and the recent Energy Independence and Security Act....just two examples of his support of bills by signing them, then his lack of support by not requesting funding for them (and vetoing Congressional budgets that insert funding).

But for now, cheers to a good bi-partisan bill becoming law.

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The_Jazz

Wait, willravel is actual Keanu Reeves? How do you find time to act with the family, full time job and all the posting you do? And play bass in Dogstar? It's like you're superhuman, only you have no facial expressions.

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Willravel

I think it's a funny title, but not only that it's good advertising. I'll bet a thread entitled "Second Chance Act" would have a lot less views.

The trick is this: don't act. Just read the lines and look confused. The rest gets taken care of in CGI and editing.

dksuddeth

I wouldn't have a problem with this bill if it weren't for the fact that I work 50 hours a week, didn't break the law and go to prison, and still can't pay my rent...yet my tax money is going to help set some armed robber get a new job and apartment.

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Willravel

dk, you could stay with me! We'd be the ultimate odd couple.
Except you'd end up shooting me.

The_Jazz

Some people just need shooting....

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ottopilot

Can that be one of the assistance measures in this bill?

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The_Jazz

Sure, we can call it the "Ottopilot needs shooting provision".

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Ustwo

Since we heard from the democratic operative, I took the 5 seconds to find the republican rebuttal.

Yet, despite the strong support of NCLB, the law has come under heavy criticism
on a variety of fronts. One such criticism was raised by Senator John Kerry (D-MA),
who, during the third presidential debate, charged: “The President, who talks about No
Child Left Behind, refused to fully fund – by $28 billion – that particular program. …”4
This claim is staggering based on the fact that federal funding for elementary and
secondary education has increased significantly each year since NCLB was enacted; it is
now at an historically high level – some 40 percent above the highest level under the
Clinton Administration. Additionally, some opponents charge that the funding is
insufficient to meet the law’s stated goals. But independent studies show the
appropriations provided are sufficient to fulfill the purpose of NCLB.

http://rpc.senate.gov/_files/Nov1504NCLBdb.pdf

Wow, the more you know..

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dc_dux

Ustwo.....I would urge you to look at Bush's original budget requests over the last three years for NCLB.......not the final budget numbers approved by Congress. BTW, I dont particularly like NCLB, as much as I dont like a Pres who supports it, but doesnt fund it.

Look at Bush's budget request for the EISA in his latest budget.

If you really want to know more. When you're ready, we can have a discussion about budget authorizations, budget appropriations, budget obligations and budget outlays

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roachboy

sooner or later some forms of economic planning are going to become necessary, whether at the local level in terms of micro-credit or at larger-scale (regional, state) levels. i don't see federal government planning as an option in the states as a function of the size and complexity of the country--but that only means that the old-school models have to be entirely rethought. it's pretty clear that the present anarchic system of neoliberal laissez-faire is not generating the conditions for coherent lives across class divisions. it's just not happening---you can see the radical expansion of the american prison-industrial system as an index of this incoherence, if you care to look.

and most conservative ideologues avoid thinking at a scope that extends too far beyond the end of their noses or maybe lawns.

this bill seems a basically necessary step that addresses problems of re-integration into the everyday world for a particular social group--but their problems are not isolated.

of course it's hard to know from statistical indices when you "deal with" structural unemployment by not counting it, when you "deal with" inflation by not counting prices fluctuations that cause inflation, etc. but everyone knows that there is a Problem. grand narrative number 1--the "transfer" of people from manufacturing jobs into "the service sector" across the reagan period and beyond--from well-paying jobs into less well=paying jobs--the expansion of debt as a device to keep pace with patterns of authorized consumer desire, etc etc etc.

increased economic planning is inevitable, it seems to me, even if at this point it's not on the table politically--the question will be how it's controlled, not whether it'll happen.

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