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maximusveritas 04-21-2003 06:07 AM

Where are the WMD?
 
http://news.independent.co.uk/low_re...&host=3&dir=75

The original purpose of this war was to disarm Saddam Hussein and to destroy the weapons of mass destruction that he possessed. The Bush administration has sought to change the purpose of this war to liberation of the Iraqi people and regime change. Is this because the original reasons for going to war were manufactured? Its too early to tell, but if so, how can this war ever be considered a success if it was built completely upon false accusations?

Nad Adam 04-21-2003 06:16 AM

This is the thread where people will tell you that there are several reasons for the war, they will tell you that wmd will be found, they will tell you that the name of the operation is Iraqi Freedom and they will tell you not to dwell in the past.

EDIT: Interesting article by the way...

Dragonlich 04-21-2003 06:17 AM

Patience, dude. Patience...

maximusveritas 04-21-2003 06:32 AM

Funny, where was the patience for the inspectors? Now, Bush has the nerve to say we need unlimited time to find the weapons and that we may not find them at all without Iraqi cooperation.

reconmike 04-21-2003 06:46 AM

Blix had his own agendas, why on the last day he reported to the UN did he fail to mention the chemical spraying drone?
This is a new and improved United States, we are becoming the world power that was lost under 8 years of Bubba.
Hey check it out Syria and a few others want a dialogue with the US. Why?

Because they do not want us coming a knocking on their door when some fringe radical group fucks up.

Lebell 04-21-2003 09:11 AM

Yeah, Max,

Funny is the word alright. See my new post ;)

It's freakin HILARIOUS!

maximusveritas 04-21-2003 11:06 AM

I read that article before I posted mine. It's full of nothing but further speculation. As the division commander says at the end, "work must still be done to validate the information." I just posted some more of my thoughts on it in that thread.

Daval 04-21-2003 11:21 AM

The drone in question was in fact a balsawood and duct tape plane. Not nearly the highly technological weapon that the US threatened.

i8one2 04-22-2003 01:52 PM

Ask the Russians, I'm positive they know.
While at it, check India, Pakistan, syria, and Saudi's too..

SLM3 04-22-2003 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zmiley
The resolutions did not simply call for compliance, they called for <b>active participation</b> in revealing WMDs.


This kind of thinking is what screwed Iraq. It's like you KNOW they're there and it's just a matter of time. Maybe they'll show up, maybe the wont, but does it really matter anymore? The US already blew up another 3rd world country, who cares if the proof shows up now?

Iraq says it doesn't have any WMD which means they must be lying therefore the US is justified in invading. Iraq says it does have WMD then the US is justified in invading. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Does it really matter anymore? It was all about liberating the Iraqi people, right?

Phaenx 04-22-2003 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SLM3
This kind of thinking is what screwed Iraq. It's like you KNOW they're there and it's just a matter of time. Maybe they'll show up, maybe the wont, but does it really matter anymore? The US already blew up another 3rd world country, who cares if the proof shows up now?

Iraq says it doesn't have any WMD which means they must be lying therefore the US is justified in invading. Iraq says it does have WMD then the US is justified in invading. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Does it really matter anymore? It was all about liberating the Iraqi people, right?

Iraq said a lot of things. Like, for example "We have a bunch of anthrax and shit, sorry..hahaha, no really, fuck you guys." This of course is the stuff we knew they had, they said they had, and never proved they didn't destroy a few months ago. That's why 1441 is worded like it is, see? The reason they had to prove they didn't have that stuff is because we knew they previously did have it. They didn't, the UN pussed out, we didn't. We do know they have this crap, the Iraqi regime doesn't matter any more, and the Iraqi people are liberated as a result.

SLM3 04-22-2003 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phaenx
The reason they had to prove they didn't have that stuff is because we knew they previously did have it. They didn't
They didn't? According to who?

Sun Tzu 04-22-2003 07:49 PM

zmiley your right the past is an extremely good guide.

www.chronicillnet.org/PGWS/tuite/chembio.html

http://www.chronicillnet.org/PGWS/tuite/2NDINDEX.HTM

http://www.archives.gov/records_of_congress/

Dragonlich 04-22-2003 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SLM3
They didn't? According to who?
Hans Blix, the leader of the UN weapons inspector. Tons of VX was missing, along with a lot of Anthrax and various other things.

It's simple. Iraq had WMDs, destroyed some of it (and proved it), and claims it destroyed the rest too (without any proof). The UN didn't believe Saddam. That was the reason for this whole resolution 1441 thing.

Nad Adam 04-22-2003 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zmiley
Nad Adam had most of it right - the WMDs will be found, but it'll take some time.
Did I say that? When... where... you must have me confused with someone else.

Nad Adam 04-22-2003 11:15 PM

Aha, you are thinking of my reply to this thread where I try to foresee the outcome of this thread. Those are not my views but how I think the argument will go. My bad for not being clear enough,

Sun Tzu 04-23-2003 03:34 PM

Proof of UN Violations
 
The following should offer those that dispute wether any weapons exsist or not.

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MSD 04-23-2003 06:19 PM

[quote]Where are the WMD?[/quote}

Syria, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the US, UK, Israel, Palestine, Lybia, Lebanon, Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, N. Korea, Egypt, Turkey, you get the idea ... everywhere but Iraq. If Saddam had any more than 3 brain cells, he would have been running the only country in the world without WMD's. He threw them out to his buddies in Syria and Iran, and they'll be able to hand them back when Iraqi officials reform into a terrorist cell.


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