Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics 抵制北京奥运会! - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

殷敏鸿 · 10-29-2007, 04:22 AM

http://boycott2008olympics.start-a-petition.com

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/4/boy...ijing-olympics

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/B...eijingOlympics

The invested interests spend so much national wealth in preparing the Olympic Games to blandish the international, launch so much propaganda about the 2008 Olympics to gloss over official corruption and social inequality!

At the last National People's Congress session, China's Wen wowed discretionarily for the "Chinese's enthusiasm for the 2008 Olympics" - ignoring the voices of naysayers.

Many feel the GDP comes from inflation. houses and food are all more expensive. China is falling into the capitalism seen in the 1800s, before the October Revolution.

Most recent and upcoming college graduates from all over China squash in fancy metropolises, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, etc, while other provinces remain stagnant.

Next spring, Chinese colleges and universities expect a record 4.95 million graduates, up 820,000 from this year. More than a million of them will wind up jobless, according to estimates.

The proportion of people's salaries to GDP has been falling year after year.The M2/GDP ratio is unusually high, 200% in 2005.All money is the ruling group's money,all hardship is the mass's hardship.Fight ,or die!

"Terrible idea. Please think of the athletes"? Some athletes,poor kids,just run a risk for money at the expense of life,health!Look forward to a better world.

"We should be embracing China at every possible opportunity. What possible bad could come from befriending such a massive power"?Don't think China is going into capitalism at all.It is an officialdom-economy.And the Stalinists won't change its autarchy without pressure.

No participate in the 2008 Beijing Olympics! No watch the games! No buy the mementos! If you come to Beijing to see the games,wear a T-shirt bearing the logo above at least?

大众的工资、福利被压低，城市拥挤、农村破烂，特权阶层把大量国民财富投入竞技体育，争夺金牌，用于自己炫耀性宣传，转移人们的注意力，掩盖其合法性危机。"和国际标准接轨"的奥运花费，奢侈超出中国国情，重金收买国际舆论，官员和其附庸商人也爆富，虽然胡温装样子说"节俭办奥运"。

虽然当局的喉舌，假装正经的新闻联播、巧言令色的东方时空，都说"中国人以火一样的热情盼奥运 "。但实际上多数民众对奥运2008，当局的丑剧，漠不关心，十分讨厌。

团结起来，使2008奥运会成为"不合作"的典范。不参与2008奥运会的活动！不看、不听2008奥运会！不买2008奥运会相关商品！如果你到2008奥运会现场，穿印有上面图标的文化衫？

http://www.petitionspot.com/petition...eijingOlympics

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...s-boycott.html

host · 10-29-2007, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 殷敏鸿

http://boycott2008olympics.start-a-petition.com

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/4/boy...ijing-olympics

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/B...eijingOlympics

The invested interests spend so much national wealth in preparing the Olympic Games to blandish the international, launch so much propaganda about the 2008 Olympics to gloss over official corruption and social inequality!....

You've come to the wrong forum if your goal is to raise concern about social inequality. We Americans revere the memory of a recent president who widened the gulf between halves and have nots, as a theme and an overall policy, and we enjoy two major parties (republican and the Ron Paul party...) pushing for "reforms" which will result in more inequality.

Hey, we're all afforded an equal opportunity, here in the states, as you probably all are, too in the PROC. Advantages of birth and of family wealth, and a double standard of accountability and access/influence are not enough to convince many here that there is anything to be concerned about.

Our motto is, let the rich keep their money and power, it is not the role of government to intercede or to attempt to redistribute. Stick around, you can learn a lot from us....maybe defuse that alienated side that I think I detect in your tone.....

Willravel · 10-29-2007, 07:41 AM

There are very serious problems from the US to Russia and China. While I don't see a necessary correlation between the social and economic problems in China and the games, I do recognize that the problems cannot be ignored. As soon as we clean our house in the US, I'd be glad to help out there. To help you guys out first, though, would be massively hypocritical.

BTW, how does one pronounce your screen name, 殷敏鸿? Is it Yin Minhong?

ottopilot · 10-29-2007, 08:28 AM

Willravel · 10-29-2007, 08:30 AM

ottopilot, you are not a moderator. Please stop acting like one.

ottopilot · 10-29-2007, 08:40 AM

Willravel · 10-29-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopilot

I would not dream of "acting" like a moderator. I will leave that up to others.

When someone leaves a warning in a different color, they're a moderator. (Or like me they are making an illustration.)

If you think someone has broken the rules, there's a small triangular button that you can press to warn. Also, so far as being the sarcasm police, sarcasm is allowed in TFPolitics so far as I know.

ottopilot · 10-29-2007, 08:54 AM

Willravel · 10-29-2007, 09:12 AM

Back to the OP, while I am somewhat, that is to say relatively socialist by nature, I recognize that some governments use socialism—in China's case, Communism—to behave as an oligarchy. It's unfortunate, of course, but the reality in being a modern oligarchy is that corporatism is a necessity. Unfortunately, people like Marx and Shaw are ignored or used as tools to accumulate wealth, a bastardization of their philosophies.

If you, in China, are heading for a repeat of the Bolshevik Revolution (from the 1900s, not 1900s), I sincerly hope you're not headed for civil war. As much as I don't approve of the actions of the Chinese government, they are the enemy necessary to keep the idiots in charge of my country in check until a Democrat will take office, leaving alone the fact that a Chinese civil war would not be bloodless.

If you are so inclined, I suggest peaceful and well televised civil disobedience. Take advantage of live TV whenever possible (something no longer available in Russia, not sure about China). Just as I as an American am responsible for my government, you as a Chinese citizen are responsible for yours. It's going to be a difficult journey, but if there's even a chance of success, I suspect it's worth your efforts.

Ustwo · 10-29-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by host

You've come to the wrong forum if your goal is to raise concern about social inequality. We Americans revere the memory of a recent president who widened the gulf between halves and have nots, as a theme and an overall policy, and we enjoy two major parties (republican and the Ron Paul party...) pushing for "reforms" which will result in more inequality.

Hey, we're all afforded an equal opportunity, here in the states, as you probably all are, too in the PROC. Advantages of birth and of family wealth, and a double standard of accountability and access/influence are not enough to convince many here that there is anything to be concerned about.

Our motto is, let the rich keep their money and power, it is not the role of government to intercede or to attempt to redistribute. Stick around, you can learn a lot from us....maybe defuse that alienated side that I think I detect in your tone.....

If you only knew just how, well there isn't a nice way to say it, how ummm 'wrong' your comments are for someone who really comes from an oppressive government.

You keep looking for shadows, they get run over by tanks.

Its a magical world you live in.

host · 10-29-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

If you only knew just how, well there isn't a nice way to say it, how ummm 'wrong' your comments are for someone who really comes from an oppressive government.

You keep looking for shadows, they get run over by tanks.

Its a magical world you live in.

You think that you "know what you know"....that it just "lands" in your lap....

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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Mc...ism_TPOTM.html

Right-Wing Criticism
excerpted from the book
The Problem of the Media
U.S. Communication Politics in the 21st Century
by Robert W. McChesney

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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._McChesney">Robert W. McChesney</a> is the Gutgsell Endowed Professor in the Department of Communication at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. His work concentrates on the history and political economy of communication, emphasizing the role media play in democratic and capitalist societies. He is the President and co-founder of Free Press, a national media reform organization. McChesney also hosts the “Media Matters” weekly radio program every Sunday afternoon on WILL-AM radio; it is the top-rated program in its time slot in the Champaign-Urbana area.

McChesney has written or edited sixteen books. McChesney has also written some 150 journal articles and book chapters and another 200 newspaper pieces, magazine articles and book reviews. His work has been translated into fourteen languages. Since launching his academic career in the late 1980s, McChesney has made some 500 conference presentations and visiting guest lectures as well as more than 600 radio and television appearances. He has been the subject of more than 70 published profiles and interviews. In 2001 Adbusters Magazine named him one of the “Nine Pioneers of Mental Environmentalism.” In his spare time, McChesney writes on professional basketball for a number of websites.

Monthly Review Press, 2004, paper

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.....p103
The U.S. news media ... pays little direct attention to the political Left. The Left-not only genuine radicals but also mild social democrats by international standards-lies outside the spectrum of legitimate debate. What attention the Left actually gets tends to be unsympathetic, if not explicitly negative. Foreign journalists marvel at how U.S. left-wing social critics like Noam Chomsky, who are prominent and respected public figures abroad, are virtually invisible in the U.S. news media.
p105
[Bernard] Goldberg notes: "Edward R. Murrow's 'Harvest of Shame,' the great CBS News documentary about poor migrant families traveling America, trying to survive by picking fruits and vegetables, would never be done today. Too many poor people. Not our audience.
We want the people who buy cars and computers. Poor migrants won't bring our kind of Americans-the ones with money to spend-into the tent.

p106
Russell Baker, legendary columnist for the New York Times, put the matter well in December 2003: "Today's topdrawer Washington news people are part of a highly educated, upper middle class elite; they belong to the culture for which the American system works extremely well. Which is to say, they are, in the pure sense of the word, extremely conservative.
.....p125
In 2001, the International Labor Organization confirmed ... distressing long-term trend: workers in the United States were working more hours than they had for generations, and more than workers in any other industrialized nation, save the Czech Republic and South Korea. German workers, to give some sense of comparison, work on average 500 hours less per year-some three months' worth of 40-hour weeks!-than their American counterparts. All of this IS hardly conducive to civic participation.

p131
In the election cycle ending in 2002, <h3>a mere one-tenth of one percent of Americans provided 83 percent of all itemized campaign contributions, and the vast majority of these individuals came from the very wealthiest sliver of Americans.</h3>
p131
In this "wealth" primary ...96 percent of Americans ... never give a campaign contribution ...

p132
In the 1950s, corporations paid 25 percent of federal tax dollars; by 2001 the figure was down to 7 percent. Similarly, the marginal tax rate on the wealthiest Americans
has fallen from 91 percent in the Eisenhower years to 38 percent by 2002.....

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=98209

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Originally Posted by ustwo

<h2>I Trust The Rich</h2>....I can feel the responses right now. The rich just makes rules to make them richer, they can't be trusted, etc. Its true the rich like rules/laws that makes them richer, but it seems more laws are made to just punish the rich, voted by the masses of folks who can't figure out why its bad to put 9k on a credit card at 18.5% interest....

...your sympathies are misplaced, Ustwo.....

Telluride · 10-31-2007, 08:57 PM

I don't care much about the Olympics and I'm not a big fan of PRoC's socialism, but I don't think politics should play a part in where Olympic games are held. The only requirements that a host nation should have to meet are the ability to provide proper facilities and a safe environment for both athletes and spectators.

ubertuber · 10-31-2007, 09:57 PM

Telluride:

Not to be "that guy", but I want to make sure I understand what you wrote. You mean that you don't think politics should play a role, right?

Telluride · 11-01-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

Telluride:

Not to be "that guy", but I want to make sure I understand what you wrote. You mean that you don't think politics should play a role, right?

Yeah, that's what I meant. I just edited my post so it would make sense. Sorry.

loquitur · 11-01-2007, 06:22 PM

From what I understand, those who boycott the Beijing Olympics might be doing their health a favor. I'm told it's so polluted there that many of the athletes are planning to spend as little time as possible there (doing their training elsewhere) because the inhaled particles interfere with respiration and cause mucus buildup. Talk about a "green" Olympics, eh? eeeeeewwwwwwwww...............

The_Jazz · 11-02-2007, 04:58 AM

I was in Beijing in 2000, shortly before the Syndey games. I've never seen air so orange. I went for a run and only made it 2 miles before I had to stop and gasp for breath.

In the running boards that I lurk on, the Americans that are likely to qualify are all saying that they're going to stay outside the city to acclimate. No one is expecting particularly fast times, even though the course isn't going to be that challenging.

xxxafterglow · 11-02-2007, 04:38 PM

Dudes, I think the OP is spamming.

Anyway, China's going through an adjustment period to adopt capitalism - it's not going to be overnight.

Civil war? Ummm... are you serious? Not bloody likely! Pff.. China has internet access (some of it filtered) and pirated DVDs, you know - they're not living in a black hole. I can't help but read a little bit of misinformation on your part, Will... or at least presumption in recommending a method of rebellion to a country that has traditionally been VERY active and capable in populist movements. China does NOT need rescuing, certainly not by America - and TFP admin does not equal foreign affairs ambassador!

I love that country. Too bad our Western education rarely covers that part of the world unless there was American military involvement.

Regarding the pollution... it's gotten MUCH BETTER than it was 10 years ago. It's still pretty bad but the city will fix it in time. It's called industrialization.

殷敏鸿 · 11-13-2007, 07:40 PM

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Anyway, China's going through an adjustment period to adopt capitalism...

Don't take China today as capitalism.It is an officialdom-economy.

Willravel · 11-13-2007, 08:17 PM

Yin's back! I've heard of officialdom government, but economy? Interesting. So that's a type of feudalist economy?

The_Jazz · 11-14-2007, 06:07 AM

Yin, here's your chance to actually make a discussion. That's what this board is about. If you want to discuss something, please do so, but so far your posts have been borderline spam.

highthief · 11-14-2007, 08:57 AM

I love China, great country. Very deserving of the Games although the polution will be rough on the endurance athletes.

Bill O'Rights · 11-14-2007, 11:59 AM

Boycotting the Olympic Games is never a good idea. And, as past history (1956, 1972, 1976, 1980 and 1984) has shown...is ineffective, from a political standpoint, and affects no one except the athletes.

It's just bad form.

10-29-2007, 04:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
殷敏鸿 Upright Location: http://www.uocn.org	Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics 抵制北京奥运会! http://boycott2008olympics.start-a-petition.com http://www.thepetitionsite.com/4/boy...ijing-olympics http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/B...eijingOlympics The invested interests spend so much national wealth in preparing the Olympic Games to blandish the international, launch so much propaganda about the 2008 Olympics to gloss over official corruption and social inequality! At the last National People's Congress session, China's Wen wowed discretionarily for the "Chinese's enthusiasm for the 2008 Olympics" - ignoring the voices of naysayers. Many feel the GDP comes from inflation. houses and food are all more expensive. China is falling into the capitalism seen in the 1800s, before the October Revolution. Most recent and upcoming college graduates from all over China squash in fancy metropolises, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, etc, while other provinces remain stagnant. Next spring, Chinese colleges and universities expect a record 4.95 million graduates, up 820,000 from this year. More than a million of them will wind up jobless, according to estimates. The proportion of people's salaries to GDP has been falling year after year.The M2/GDP ratio is unusually high, 200% in 2005.All money is the ruling group's money,all hardship is the mass's hardship.Fight ,or die! "Terrible idea. Please think of the athletes"? Some athletes,poor kids,just run a risk for money at the expense of life,health!Look forward to a better world. "We should be embracing China at every possible opportunity. What possible bad could come from befriending such a massive power"?Don't think China is going into capitalism at all.It is an officialdom-economy.And the Stalinists won't change its autarchy without pressure. No participate in the 2008 Beijing Olympics! No watch the games! No buy the mementos! If you come to Beijing to see the games,wear a T-shirt bearing the logo above at least? 大众的工资、福利被压低，城市拥挤、农村破烂，特权阶层把大量国民财富投入竞技体育，争夺金牌，用于自己炫耀性宣传，转移人们的注意力，掩盖其合法性危机。"和国际标准接轨"的奥运花费，奢侈超出中国国情，重金收买国际舆论，官员和其附庸商人也爆富，虽然胡温装样子说"节俭办奥运"。虽然当局的喉舌，假装正经的新闻联播、巧言令色的东方时空，都说"中国人以火一样的热情盼奥运 "。但实际上多数民众对奥运2008，当局的丑剧，漠不关心，十分讨厌。团结起来，使2008奥运会成为"不合作"的典范。不参与2008奥运会的活动！不看、不听2008奥运会！不买2008奥运会相关商品！如果你到2008奥运会现场，穿印有上面图标的文化衫？ http://www.petitionspot.com/petition...eijingOlympics http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...s-boycott.html Last edited by 殷敏鸿; 11-13-2007 at 07:35 PM.. Reason: Say no to the 2008 Beijing Olympics北京奥运我不支持!

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ottopilot let me be clear Location: Waddy Peytona	edit Last edited by ottopilot; 12-27-2007 at 08:26 AM..

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10-31-2007, 08:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
Telluride Browncoat Location: California	I don't care much about the Olympics and I'm not a big fan of PRoC's socialism, but I don't think politics should play a part in where Olympic games are held. The only requirements that a host nation should have to meet are the ability to provide proper facilities and a safe environment for both athletes and spectators. __________________ "I am certain that nothing has done so much to destroy the safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice." - Friedrich Hayek Last edited by Telluride; 11-01-2007 at 04:41 PM..

10-29-2007, 07:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	There are very serious problems from the US to Russia and China. While I don't see a necessary correlation between the social and economic problems in China and the games, I do recognize that the problems cannot be ignored. As soon as we clean our house in the US, I'd be glad to help out there. To help you guys out first, though, would be massively hypocritical. BTW, how does one pronounce your screen name, 殷敏鸿? Is it Yin Minhong?

10-29-2007, 08:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	ottopilot, you are not a moderator. Please stop acting like one.

10-29-2007, 09:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Back to the OP, while I am somewhat, that is to say relatively socialist by nature, I recognize that some governments use socialism—in China's case, Communism—to behave as an oligarchy. It's unfortunate, of course, but the reality in being a modern oligarchy is that corporatism is a necessity. Unfortunately, people like Marx and Shaw are ignored or used as tools to accumulate wealth, a bastardization of their philosophies. If you, in China, are heading for a repeat of the Bolshevik Revolution (from the 1900s, not 1900s), I sincerly hope you're not headed for civil war. As much as I don't approve of the actions of the Chinese government, they are the enemy necessary to keep the idiots in charge of my country in check until a Democrat will take office, leaving alone the fact that a Chinese civil war would not be bloodless. If you are so inclined, I suggest peaceful and well televised civil disobedience. Take advantage of live TV whenever possible (something no longer available in Russia, not sure about China). Just as I as an American am responsible for my government, you as a Chinese citizen are responsible for yours. It's going to be a difficult journey, but if there's even a chance of success, I suspect it's worth your efforts.

10-31-2007, 09:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	Telluride: Not to be "that guy", but I want to make sure I understand what you wrote. You mean that you don't think politics should play a role, right? __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

11-01-2007, 06:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
loquitur Junkie Location: NYC	From what I understand, those who boycott the Beijing Olympics might be doing their health a favor. I'm told it's so polluted there that many of the athletes are planning to spend as little time as possible there (doing their training elsewhere) because the inhaled particles interfere with respiration and cause mucus buildup. Talk about a "green" Olympics, eh? eeeeeewwwwwwwww...............

11-02-2007, 04:58 AM	#16 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	I was in Beijing in 2000, shortly before the Syndey games. I've never seen air so orange. I went for a run and only made it 2 miles before I had to stop and gasp for breath. In the running boards that I lurk on, the Americans that are likely to qualify are all saying that they're going to stay outside the city to acclimate. No one is expecting particularly fast times, even though the course isn't going to be that challenging. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

11-02-2007, 04:38 PM	#17 (permalink)
xxxafterglow Crazy Location: Berlin	Dudes, I think the OP is spamming. Anyway, China's going through an adjustment period to adopt capitalism - it's not going to be overnight. Civil war? Ummm... are you serious? Not bloody likely! Pff.. China has internet access (some of it filtered) and pirated DVDs, you know - they're not living in a black hole. I can't help but read a little bit of misinformation on your part, Will... or at least presumption in recommending a method of rebellion to a country that has traditionally been VERY active and capable in populist movements. China does NOT need rescuing, certainly not by America - and TFP admin does not equal foreign affairs ambassador! I love that country. Too bad our Western education rarely covers that part of the world unless there was American military involvement. Regarding the pollution... it's gotten MUCH BETTER than it was 10 years ago. It's still pretty bad but the city will fix it in time. It's called industrialization. __________________ Uh huh her. Last edited by xxxafterglow; 11-02-2007 at 04:51 PM..

11-13-2007, 08:17 PM	#19 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Yin's back! I've heard of officialdom government, but economy? Interesting. So that's a type of feudalist economy?

11-14-2007, 06:07 AM	#20 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Yin, here's your chance to actually make a discussion. That's what this board is about. If you want to discuss something, please do so, but so far your posts have been borderline spam. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

11-14-2007, 08:57 AM	#21 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	I love China, great country. Very deserving of the Games although the polution will be rough on the endurance athletes. __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

11-14-2007, 11:59 AM	#22 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	Boycotting the Olympic Games is never a good idea. And, as past history (1956, 1972, 1976, 1980 and 1984) has shown...is ineffective, from a political standpoint, and affects no one except the athletes. It's just bad form. __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.